'25 NV WR Derek Meadows (Alabama Verbal)

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rtrn2glory said:
I fully understand these are the guys we need to land to be a blue blood, but even if he signs up to take on the challenge of playing at ND I hesitate to rely on him sticking around for the long haul. I couldn't imagine being a college coach now and having to keep all the egos in check so they don't transfer. I see why dudes bolt to the league and the Sabans of the world say hell with it I'll just let ESPN pay me millions to watch and talk about football
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And this is why transfers have to be the right person. You can bring in 3 or 4 transfers and ruin the whole locker room.
 
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irishff1014 said:
And this is why transfers have to be the right person. You can bring in 3 or 4 transfers and ruin the whole locker room.
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Hell, one or two will do it. You're 100% correct, though.

We're going to see a lot of programs fuck around and find out, too. I can't wait. Meanwhile, character and culture matter. Bringing in fits who are going to stick around and develop together matters. The playoff is going to weed out a lot of pretenders, too.

There are going to be four and five star guys just looking for the biggest bag. There are going to be others that will be fits.

If this staff sees character in Meadows and believe he'll come in and be a part of what they're building, I'm sold on that.
 
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NDPhilly said:
Whiffing on Meadows, Wiggins, NOB, and Olesh would be absolutely brutal.
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Do you think with Meadows and NOB specifically that it may be because Michigan is promising them significant up front money? I’m pretty confident Underwood is getting that. If ND is selling what they are selling (hard road, NIL that is earned, national exposure, play for a very good coaching staff, etc.), it comes down to which route the HS player wants to take. I don’t like to lose recruiting battles but I’m not quite sold on handing an 18 year old a bunch of money hoping that they end up being a difference maker.
 
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NDPhilly said:
Whiffing on Meadows, Wiggins, NOB, and Olesh would be absolutely brutal.
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The only true whiff would be Meadows. Top of NDs board all year, almost committed to ND, then was contemplating it again the last month.

NOB, you can say maybe. The legacy aspect, and the fact ND offered him about 10 days after Freeman was hired. But, he was liking ND, then he wasn’t, then was liking them again until he wasn’t.

Wiggins is a public school kid from the Tallahassee area, which isn’t a normal ND student demographic. Academics are there with him, but it’s hard to flip an in-state DL from Florida.

Olesh was never a serious target. Staff poked around to gauge his interest late, but he liked other schools more.
 
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PROGRAM CHANGING LOSS HOW WILL WE EVER SURVIVE. Sorry guys now that it looks like he's going to Michigan had to get that out there
 
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Rockin’Irish said:
Do you think with Meadows and NOB specifically that it may be because Michigan is promising them significant up front money? I’m pretty confident Underwood is getting that. If ND is selling what they are selling (hard road, NIL that is earned, national exposure, play for a very good coaching staff, etc.), it comes down to which route the HS player wants to take. I don’t like to lose recruiting battles but I’m not quite sold on handing an 18 year old a bunch of money hoping that they end up being a difference make.
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I think our strategy of “paying” for transfers is a significantly better use of funds then paying Bryce Underwood $10M+. If we were less competitive in the portal over the last few cycles, I’d be more concerned / worried ab where we are as a program.
 
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NDPhilly said:
I think our strategy of “paying” for transfers is a significantly better use of funds then paying Bryce Underwood $10M+. If we were less competitive in the portal over the last few cycles, I’d be more concerned / worried ab where we are as a program.
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From a business model standpoint, it makes a LOT more sense to give proven players up front money guarantees. With relatively unproven HS players with potential, a moderate buy in supported by an incentive based ongoing “contract” seems like the smartest gameplan. I had mentioned in the Deuce Knight thread a while back that ND’s NIL proposal was more lucrative than what Auburn offered but Auburn front loaded the vast majority of the NIL package with little after that (and rumored employment for his parents). The source indicated that Knight‘s supporters favored the up front money. I have a friend that is an NIL attorney and Auburn grad…….and he admitted ND’s package was not only better overall but also was presented in a more professional fashion (I don’t know more details on the amounts).
 
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NDPhilly said:
I think our strategy of “paying” for transfers is a significantly better use of funds then paying Bryce Underwood $10M+. If we were less competitive in the portal over the last few cycles, I’d be more concerned / worried ab where we are as a program.
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I mean that's all fine and well...but Freeman talks about how HS recruiting is what the program lives and dies on all the time. If ND wants to make HS recruiting the bedrock for how it builds it's roster, they're going to have to pay up big money to make that happen. Or go all in on the portal.
 
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arrowryan said:
Yeah because MF was hired to win recruiting battles like this. He wasn’t hired because of his success as a HC.
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MF is supposed to win the recruiting battle of a WR who’s been committed to a school with the same QB for half a year and then still get him when that QB flips to a school that said WR has also visited and has interest in?

I mean I get the angst if we strike out on all these guys, but:

Olesh: Current UM commit
Meadows: See above
NOB: Just not that into us
Wiggins: Refirms his UF commit after visit where they beat LSU.

I’m not sure *these* four specific recruitments are the indictment of MF that you think they are.
 
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