Russia Invades Ukraine

[Giddyup]

Im not gonna post it for u. I don’t think it would matter. No offense. But if you analyze the errors never made before.

 

[Blazers46]

I say a lot of nothing because I don't have the knowledge at the same level that you do of who should be held responsible. I'm asking you for who you specifically think should be charged and why. If you don't want to answer that's on you.

I'm totally ok with applying the same standard that Trump was held to.

I don’t feel I need to answer. Pretty sure we have had this conversation about 100 times and pretty sure it will circle back… again.

 

[Blazers46]

Whatever politicians said to do it. I don't view the events in the same light. And I think we're doomed as a country if the logic moving forward is one party did something unacceptable and wasn't held accountable so now it's acceptable for the other party going forward to do something similar and take it 10 steps further.
Our elected officials, regardless of party affiliation, should condemn acts like the riots in Minneapolis and January 6th,. They certainly shouldn't be casting doubts for 2 months on results of the elections and then on the day the results are being certified they shouldn't encourage a large group of people to march on the Capitol and fight or else you won't have a country anymore. And by held accountable I don't necessarily mean in the courtroom and certainly not by assassination attempts. I don't think either are acceptable, besides legally if things were that terrible. But by our country. I blame McConnell and the others that didn't vote at the second impeachment, that was the opportunity for accountability and to show the citizens and the world what is acceptable.

We'd be looking at landslide Republican win right now if they Senate voted for the impeachment. Haley would probably end up being the candidate and should would beat whoever came out of left. We'd get out the crazies like Boebert and Green and replaced them with sane Republicans.

I see them very similar. I also think there are a million things Trump has done he should probably be in jail for. Jan 6 isn’t one of them.

 

[Giddyup]

What else? Law fare is real. Squeaky clean till becoming president huh

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I see them very similar. I also think there are a million things Trump has done he should probably be in jail for. Jan 6 isn’t one of them.

I agree, I just think January 6th means he shouldn't be president, I don't care about any other kind of punishment. Dude is 78 let him enjoy his money, golf and retirement.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Im not gonna post it for u. I don’t think it would matter. No offense. But if you analyze the errors never made before.

I would love to see what research you have. Nothing about it makes any sense and I would love to see why you're convinced it was the DNC. Besides removing Trump if successful I fail to see how it would benefit the Democrats long term

 

[NorthDakota]

Ukraine is gonna be a dead spot win or lose this war. Their demographics are even more cooked than Russia.

 

[Giddyup]

• First, was the FUBAR of not securing the rooftop of the building that both had such a clear sight line and was so close to the stage.

• Next, we have the FUBAR of the shooter either pre-planting his weapon within the security perimeter & it being missed by the SS’s sweep of the area or smuggling his rifle inside the security perimeter.

• This was followed by repeated sightings of the shooter — who was acting “suspicious” — as early as 3 hours before the rally.

• Then, we have LEO taking photos of the shooter — who at some point was wearing a backpack and prowling around the building with the unsecured rooftop — from inside that very building!

• Next, we have the FUBAR of ground teams somehow allowing the shooter access to the unsecured rooftop though he had at this point been visually identified.

• After that, we have the FUBAR of rally goers alerting LEO to the shooter tactically positioning himself on the roof.

• We subsequently have the FUBUR of local law enforcement not only spotting the shooter on the roof, but LEO being confronted with a rifle by the shooter.

• Next we have the FUBAR of Trump not being immediately pulled off the stage after LEO identified a real and impending threat.

• Finally, we have the FUBAR of the snipers who spotted the shooter on the roof well before he ever shot.

• And now we have the report that the shooter was running drone reconnaissance missions in the hours before the rally begin?

Yet among all these repeated FUBARs, one person navigated his mission with a single minded focus: a 20 -year-old sh*+-punk who was allegedly surfing porn at some point during this eventful day?

 

[Irish#1]

I believe he was also spotted carrying a ladder prior to the shooting.

 

[Blazers46]

I agree, I just think January 6th means he shouldn't be president, I don't care about any other kind of punishment. Dude is 78 let him enjoy his money, golf and retirement.

Which rhen, raises the question… which politicians you would like see lose their jobs or be disqualified as it relates to the rioting and looting. If your answer is “I don’t know” then it would show how bias you are in not knowing… in my opinion.

 

[Irish#1]

Putin sabre rattling.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/europe/putin-nuclear-warns-west-missile-strikes-ukraine-intl-latam/index.html

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Which rhen, raises the question… which politicians you would like see lose their jobs or be disqualified as it relates to the rioting and looting. If your answer is “I don’t know” then it would show how bias you are in not knowing… in my opinion.

That's fine you're allowed that opinion. The situations are so drastically different and one obviously much worse, but if you think they're on the same level then good for you. A sitting president tell people to march on the Capitol and fight to save country is vastly worse IMO

 

[ColoradoIrish]

• First, was the FUBAR of not securing the rooftop of the building that both had such a clear sight line and was so close to the stage.

• Next, we have the FUBAR of the shooter either pre-planting his weapon within the security perimeter & it being missed by the SS’s sweep of the area or smuggling his rifle inside the security perimeter.

• This was followed by repeated sightings of the shooter — who was acting “suspicious” — as early as 3 hours before the rally.

• Then, we have LEO taking photos of the shooter — who at some point was wearing a backpack and prowling around the building with the unsecured rooftop — from inside that very building!

• Next, we have the FUBAR of ground teams somehow allowing the shooter access to the unsecured rooftop though he had at this point been visually identified.

• After that, we have the FUBAR of rally goers alerting LEO to the shooter tactically positioning himself on the roof.

• We subsequently have the FUBUR of local law enforcement not only spotting the shooter on the roof, but LEO being confronted with a rifle by the shooter.

• Next we have the FUBAR of Trump not being immediately pulled off the stage after LEO identified a real and impending threat.

• Finally, we have the FUBAR of the snipers who spotted the shooter on the roof well before he ever shot.

• And now we have the report that the shooter was running drone reconnaissance missions in the hours before the rally begin?

Yet among all these repeated FUBARs, one person navigated his mission with a single minded focus: a 20 -year-old sh*+-punk who was allegedly surfing porn at some point during this eventful day?

I agree, none of that makes sense. I don't see how that means the Democrats are behind.

 

[Blazers46]

That's fine you're allowed that opinion. The situations are so drastically different and one obviously much worse, but if you think they're on the same level then good for you. A sitting president tell people to march on the Capitol and fight to save country is vastly worse IMO

Really? You guys act like Trump was speaking in code. “March” and “fight” are words used all the time. We can argue and assume what Trump wanted or didn’t want to happen but he never said or encouraged what happened with some of the crowd. I mean it was mostly peaceful at the end of the day… right?

Meanwhile police stations and other government buildings had the same or much or worse fate being looted and taken over and politicians get up and encourage that behavior and you really think it’s different.

It’s like we live on different planets.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Really? You guys act like Trump was speaking in code. “March” and “fight” are words used all the time. We can argue and assume what Trump wanted or didn’t want to happen but he never said or encouraged what happened with some of the crowd. I mean it was mostly peaceful at the end of the day… right?

Meanwhile police stations and other government buildings had the same or much or worse fate being looted and taken over and politicians get up and encourage that behavior and you really think it’s different.

It’s like we live on different planets.

We're living on different planets because people dismissing Trump's actions because of others, and justify it by saying it's alright because others have done something similar. For 2 months straight he cast doubt on the election, said it was stolen, that if the wrong wasn't righted there would be no country anymore. Hell he still hasn't admitted defeat and still claims the election was stolen.

Not really sure how you can say it was mostly peaceful, when someone died, people breached the Capitol, and a galley was brought and setup and people were chanting hang Mike pence.

One event literally was an attempt to delay and stop the level transfer of power from one president to the next.

If you don't think any of that is relevant and separates the two incidents that's fine and dandy, we really are living on two separate planets.

 

[Blazers46]

We're living on different planets because people dismissing Trump's actions because of others, and justify it by saying it's alright because others have done something similar. For 2 months straight he cast doubt on the election, said it was stolen, that if the wrong wasn't righted there would be no country anymore. Hell he still hasn't admitted defeat and still claims the election was stolen.

Not really sure how you can say it was mostly peaceful, when someone died, people breached the Capitol, and a galley was brought and setup and people were chanting hang Mike pence.

One event literally was an attempt to delay and stop the level transfer of power from one president to the next.

If you don't think any of that is relevant and separates the two incidents that's fine and dandy, we really are living on two separate planets.

So he’s a sore loser… but so was Hilary and fake Russia and the sour left when Trump won.

I was being sarcastic about “mostly peaceful” but thanks for proving my point. How many people died and how many government building overrun in Minneapolis/MN alone?

How many people called for Trump to die?

Put your head back on the sand.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

So he’s a sore loser… but so was Hilary and fake Russia and the sour left when Trump won.

I was being sarcastic about “mostly peaceful” but thanks for proving my point. How many people died and how many government building overrun in Minneapolis/MN alone?

How many people called for Trump to die?

Put your head back on the sand.

Hillary conceded defeat Trump never did. People dying in both situations is fucking terrible. But that doesn't make the situations remotely the same.

Keep your head in the sand and keep backing a dude that tried to prevent our democracy from functioning how it was it was intended. He lost both electoral college and the popular vote, and he's been throwing a 4 year temper tantrum over it.

If Trump wins this fall by close margins and similar situations to which he lost in 2020, is it ok if Harris doesn't vote to approve the election like Trump was asking pence to do? Is it ok then for Democrats to storm the Capitol building?

 

[Blazers46]

Hillary conceded defeat Trump never did. People dying in both situations is fucking terrible. But that doesn't make the situations remotely the same.

Keep your head in the sand and keep backing a dude that tried to prevent our democracy from functioning how it was it was intended. He lost both electoral college and the popular vote, and he's been throwing a 4 year temper tantrum over it.

If Trump wins this fall by close margins and similar situations to which he lost in 2020, is it ok if Harris doesn't vote to approve the election like Trump was asking pence to do? Is it ok then for Democrats to storm the Capitol building?

Hilary didn’t concede. She funded a fake Russia campaign. We can piss and moan about what Donald Trump says on a stage, but he did not storm the capital. Hillary on the other hand committed crimes that cost the country millions of dollars on a fake investigation because she was a sore loser.

I’m not backing Trump. I’m not voting for trump for some of the reasons you stated.

I’m not defending Trump. Whatever Harris wants to do is on Harris. All I am doing is simply pointing out how the left is so one-sided on the issue and issues. Both parties be damned… but it’s people like you that make it so easy and motivating to vote for Donald Trump.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Hilary didn’t concede. She funded a fake Russia campaign. We can piss and moan about what Donald Trump says on a stage, but he did not storm the capital. Hillary on the other hand committed crimes that cost the country millions of dollars on a fake investigation because she was a sore loser.

I’m not backing Trump. I’m not voting for trump for some of the reasons you stated.

I’m not defending Trump. Whatever Harris wants to do is on Harris. All I am doing is simply pointing out how the left is so one-sided on the issue and issues. Both parties be damned… but it’s people like you that make it so easy and motivating to vote for Donald Trump.

First Hillary did concede, there's videos of it from November 9th 2016 and she called for her supporters to give Trump a chance during the speech, so let's get that out of the way that and foremost.

Second, i've advocated for holding anyone regardless of party affiliation responsible for their actions. I don't think any person regardless of occupation and role is above the law and should be held accountable for their actions, and I firmly believe if someone in a position of power abuses those powers they should be held accountable.

If Hillary is guilty of committing crimes that cost our countries millions of dollars and should be held accountable why does that exempt Trump from being held to that same standard?

Please explain how "people like me" make it easy and motivating to vote for Trump? I'm asking for accountability, that is all nothing more nothing less.

 

[Blazers46]

First Hillary did concede, there's videos of it from November 9th 2016 and she called for her supporters to give Trump a chance during the speech, so let's get that out of the way that and foremost.

Second, i've advocated for holding anyone regardless of party affiliation responsible for their actions. I don't think any person regardless of occupation and role is above the law and should be held accountable for their actions, and I firmly believe if someone in a position of power abuses those powers they should be held accountable.

If Hillary is guilty of committing crimes that cost our countries millions of dollars and should be held accountable why does that exempt Trump from being held to that same standard?

Please explain how "people like me" make it easy and motivating to vote for Trump? I'm asking for accountability, that is all nothing more nothing less.

Actions louder than words. Hillary didn’t concede.

My argument has never been to not hold Donald Trump to a standard. I have told you, the man should be in jail for a lot of things. You were the one turning a blind eye to the actions of others. I am just simply questioning you for only calling out Donald Trump and no one else, in your words because it’s not as bad as what Trump did.

I find it hilarious that you insist Donald Trump be held accountable, but there is still that question of “IF” for everyone else. You can’t and won’t name them because you are blinded by your party affiliation and what they tell you and want you to say and believe.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Actions louder than words. Hillary didn’t concede.

My argument has never been to not hold Donald Trump to a standard. I have told you, the man should be in jail for a lot of things. You were the one turning a blind eye to the actions of others. I am just simply questioning you for only calling out Donald Trump and no one else, in your words because it’s not as bad as what Trump did.

I find it hilarious that you insist Donald Trump be held accountable, but there is still that question of if for everyone else. You can’t and won’t name them because you are blinded by your party affiliation and what they tell you and want you to say and believe.

I'm not a Democrat, and have never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate. I can't name any politicians regarding Minneapolis because I'm not as educated on that topic, and because it wasn't the leader of our country making statements at the time. I'm calling out Trump because he's the one running for president, it's really that simple. I've stated I would hold any presidential candidate do the same standard as I am with Trump, but I can't really prove a hypothetical situation like that. Hell I've even stated I would probably be voting for whatever Republican was the candidate if it wasn't Trump and they disavowed the actions from January 6th. Just yesterday I said I wasn't even sure if I would vote for a presidential candidate.

At what actions from Hillary speak louder than her words regarding her conceding? And if actions speak louder than words, then what does Trump's non actions on January 6th say about that day and view on it? He never spoke up and condemned the actions from that day

 

[Blazers46]

I'm not a Democrat, and have never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate. I can't name any politicians regarding Minneapolis because I'm not as educated on that topic, and because it wasn't the leader of our country making statements at the time. I'm calling out Trump because he's the one running for president, it's really that simple. I've stated I would hold any presidential candidate do the same standard as I am with Trump, but I can't really prove a hypothetical situation like that. Hell I've even stated I would probably be voting for whatever Republican was the candidate if it wasn't Trump and they disavowed the actions from January 6th. Just yesterday I said I wasn't even sure if I would vote for a presidential candidate.

I never called you a democrat. I never questioned who you’re voting for and I don’t care.

Don’t you think that’s a problem that you aren’t “educated “ on the topic? But you still insist to argue about it… that being another problem.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I never called you a democrat. I never questioned who you’re voting for and I don’t care.

Don’t you think that’s a problem that you aren’t “educated “ on the topic? But you still insist to argue about it… that being another problem.

I'm not arguing at all about Minneapolis, I've been in agreement with you about holding those responsible accountable. The situations are vastly different even if there's some overlapping similarities, and that's because of what caused the events. Apologies for making the assumption about you thinking I was a Democrat, that's how it came across about being blinded by party affiliation.

 

[NorthDakota]

We're living on different planets because people dismissing Trump's actions because of others, and justify it by saying it's alright because others have done something similar. For 2 months straight he cast doubt on the election, said it was stolen, that if the wrong wasn't righted there would be no country anymore. Hell he still hasn't admitted defeat and still claims the election was stolen.

Not really sure how you can say it was mostly peaceful, when someone died, people breached the Capitol, and a galley was brought and setup and people were chanting hang Mike pence.

One event literally was an attempt to delay and stop the level transfer of power from one president to the next.

If you don't think any of that is relevant and separates the two incidents that's fine and dandy, we really are living on two separate planets.

Hillary went on a book tour saying she didn't lose lol

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Hillary went on a book tour saying she didn't lose lol

Well she's a fucking moron and wrong. And she wasn't saying that for the 2 months leading up to them certifying the election.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Hillary conceded defeat Trump never did. People dying in both situations is fucking terrible. But that doesn't make the situations remotely the same.

Keep your head in the sand and keep backing a dude that tried to prevent our democracy from functioning how it was it was intended. He lost both electoral college and the popular vote, and he's been throwing a 4 year temper tantrum over it.

If Trump wins this fall by close margins and similar situations to which he lost in 2020, is it ok if Harris doesn't vote to approve the election like Trump was asking pence to do? Is it ok then for Democrats to storm the Capitol building?

It's not OK for anyone to storm the Capitol, but if Trump wins I'm expecting much worse from crazy lefties in January 2025. I'm not predicting a storming of the Capitol, but I do expect rioting and looting to a larger degree than what we saw in 2016. And no one should be surprised if there's a few more assassination attempts, whether it be foreign actors or domestic.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

It's not OK for anyone to storm the Capitol, but if Trump wins I'm expecting much worse from crazy lefties in January 2025. I'm not predicting a storming of the Capitol, but I do expect rioting and looting to a larger degree than what we saw in 2016. And no one should be surprised if there's a few more assassination attempts, whether it be foreign actors or domestic.

If that happens then anyone participating or encouraging it should be held accountable. And that would be worse than what happened when comparing the amount of rioting and looting that happened after the 2020 election. But again it's not remotely in the same realm or universe of storming the Capitol and trying to stop the certification of the election results and making Biden president. Like yes both are terrible and should be handled accordingly, but using rioting and looting to downplay the attempted interference with our transfer of power and calling for the hanging of the man responsible for ratifying the decision is mind boggling to me. We can condemn both actions and acknowledge one is way worse than the other

 

[GATTACA!]

Hillary went on a book tour saying she didn't lose lol

I can't find anything that would support this claim.

 

[Blazers46]

If that happens then anyone participating or encouraging it should be held accountable. And that would be worse than what happened when comparing the amount of rioting and looting that happened after the 2020 election. But again it's not remotely in the same realm or universe of storming the Capitol and trying to stop the certification of the election results and making Biden president. Like yes both are terrible and should be handled accordingly, but using rioting and looting to downplay the attempted interference with our transfer of power and calling for the hanging of the man responsible for ratifying the decision is mind boggling to me. We can condemn both actions and acknowledge one is way worse than the other

So to clarify… you think Trumps situation is worse because of what HE did or what the people storming the capitol did? I think you keep convoluting the two.

 

[Bishop2b5]

How is a few hundred idiots kinda sorta acting up at the Capitol with minimal damage to property and people worse than thousands rioting and burning government buildings, assaulting hundreds, burning cities, and looting countless businesses? I mean, other than one was done by Conservatives and the other by and at the encouragment of Liberals.