Russia Invades Ukraine

[ColoradoIrish]

Its not just Jan 6th .They have been going after him time after time after time. Every couple months the lefty crew on here seems to think they finally got Trump. I'm certainly not a lawyer, but I imagine an unbiased person would deduce that some things they go after Trump are legit, some might be a stretch, some questionable, some are never pursued. It's like RICO law type things to get Capone. They have constantly thrown the kitchen sink at him. Unprecedented doesn't do it justice.

So that didn't answer my questions at all. You proclaimed you're not a lawyer, and then said "but I imagine an unbiased person would deduce that some things they go after Trump are legit, some might be a stretch, some questionable, some are never pursued." For clarity are you saying that's your stance or that of someone who is unbiased and you yourself are biased?

I'd really like an actual answer so I could help understand your point of view.

Much like we can all agree Biden should've been held accountable for taking classified documents I would hope we can can all agree that Trump should be as well, and that the magnitude of the two cases were vastly different.

Unprecedented doesn't do it justice because we saw and have continued to see unprecedented actions from Trump. Any other person that performed the same actions should and I hope would have the same amount of scrutiny within the media and within the legal system. I know I would personally hold whoever is the president to the same standard.

 

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I don’t think the war is going to well for either side but Russia seems to be gaining momentum. It’d be nice if some of our leaders were calling for peace talks.

 

[TracyGraham]

So that didn't answer my questions at all. You proclaimed you're not a lawyer, and then said "but I imagine an unbiased person would deduce that some things they go after Trump are legit, some might be a stretch, some questionable, some are never pursued." For clarity are you saying that's your stance or that of someone who is unbiased and you yourself are biased?

I'd really like an actual answer so I could help understand your point of view.

Much like we can all agree Biden should've been held accountable for taking classified documents I would hope we can can all agree that Trump should be as well, and that the magnitude of the two cases were vastly different.

Unprecedented doesn't do it justice because we saw and have continued to see unprecedented actions from Trump. Any other person that performed the same actions should and I hope would have the same amount of scrutiny within the media and within the legal system. I know I would personally hold whoever is the president to the same standard.

I'll try to be completely honest here. I'm most likely very biased. No doubt. If you were to ask me, I think it's just about all bs. When I, with my biased point of view, look at the Jan 6th situation, I don't think that he actually called for insurrection, but people on the other side are convinced he did. One can interpret it to fit their agenda, and it has been done. But by trying to argue honestly, and do my best to be unbiased, I think there are some things that can be legit and some that are not. Many on the right think every legal pursuit is illegitimate, many on the left think it is all reasonable. I think the truth falls somewhere in the middle. And when it happens nonstop since he took office, one must conclude it is kinda the definition of weaponization. The exact think that liberals warn us Trump will do(which he didnt).

 

[Blazers46]

I'll try to be completely honest here. I'm most likely very biased. No doubt. If you were to ask me, I think it's just about all bs. When I, with my biased point of view, look at the Jan 6th situation, I don't think that he actually called for insurrection, but people on the other side are convinced he did. One can interpret it to fit their agenda, and it has been done. But by trying to argue honestly, and do my best to be unbiased, I think there are some things that can be legit and some that are not. Many on the right think every legal pursuit is illegitimate, many on the left think it is all reasonable. I think the truth falls somewhere in the middle. And when it happens nonstop since he took office, one must conclude it is kinda the definition of weaponization. The exact think that liberals warn us Trump will do(which he didnt).

I’ll be that guy to remind everyone how the left encouraged rioting and cities to burn… even federal and government building being taken over. Crickets…

 

[TorontoGold]

I’ll be that guy to remind everyone how the left encouraged rioting and cities to burn… even federal and government building being taken over. Crickets…

No one on the Left here has said not to prosecute anyone who broke the law.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I’ll be that guy to remind everyone how the left encouraged rioting and cities to burn… even federal and government building being taken over. Crickets…

It was wrong if them then and magnitudes worse what Trump did

 

[Blazers46]

No one on the Left here has said not to prosecute anyone who broke the law.

You keep saying that. It’s a good way pretend you have a stance but it doesn’t say anything really. My response would be who is going to jail (politicians) for encouraging cities to burn?

 

[Blazers46]

It was wrong if them then and magnitudes worse what Trump did

So who needs to go to jail?

 

[TorontoGold]

You keep saying that. It’s a good way pretend you have a stance but it doesn’t say anything really. My response would be who is going to jail (politicians) for encouraging cities to burn?

Which politicians said cities should burn? If so, wouldn't you think that prosecutors would have charged them if they met the legal standard to be charged for it? And if they did meet that standard I hope they get charged. Which is a different stance than saying everything is "political prosecution".

 

[TracyGraham]

So that didn't answer my questions at all. You proclaimed you're not a lawyer, and then said "but I imagine an unbiased person would deduce that some things they go after Trump are legit, some might be a stretch, some questionable, some are never pursued." For clarity are you saying that's your stance or that of someone who is unbiased and you yourself are biased?

I'd really like an actual answer so I could help understand your point of view.

Much like we can all agree Biden should've been held accountable for taking classified documents I would hope we can can all agree that Trump should be as well, and that the magnitude of the two cases were vastly different.

Unprecedented doesn't do it justice because we saw and have continued to see unprecedented actions from Trump. Any other person that performed the same actions should and I hope would have the same amount of scrutiny within the media and within the legal system. I know I would personally hold whoever is the president to the same standard.

So, just to iterate and drive the point home. Democrats are weaponizing the judicial system in order to stop the possibility of Trump doing the worst sin of ....weaponizing the judicial system

Further, one could argue that by simply picking Kamala Harris when no one voted for her, they are undermining democracy in order to stop the possibility of Trump doing the worst sin of....undermining democracy.

Is that irony? I always get the definition confused. It's definitely hypocritical bs.

I'll stop hijacking the Ukrainian thread.

 

[Blazers46]

Which politicians said cities should burn? If so, wouldn't you think that prosecutors would have charged them if they met the legal standard to be charged for it? And if they did meet that standard I hope they get charged. Which is a different stance than saying everything is "political prosecution".

Yeah this is you saying a lot of nothing again to avoid saying anything. The “legal standard” the Jan 6 committee said Don should be charged with insurrection wasn’t anything he said but that he provided them comfort or space to do so… “he lit the fire”. I could go on the google or YouTube machine and find all the people that provided comfort and space for other actions but it wouldn’t change your mind to formulate an opinion. Why waste each others time.

 

[Irish#1]

Which politicians said cities should burn? If so, wouldn't you think that prosecutors would have charged them if they met the legal standard to be charged for it? And if they did meet that standard I hope they get charged. Which is a different stance than saying everything is "political prosecution".

It wasn't politicians saying they should burn, it was the politicians that didn't do anything. Your friendly aw shucks VP candidate is a perfect example. He refused to bring in the guard at the request of the Mayor of Minneapolis and the results weren't pretty.

 

[ab2cmiller]

It wasn't politicians saying they should burn, it was the politicians that didn't do anything. Your friendly aw shucks VP candidate is a perfect example. He refused to bring in the guard at the request of the Mayor of Minneapolis and the results weren't pretty.

That may be, but that VP candidate can change an air filter, or at least show us a clean air filter. A man of the people.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

So, just to iterate and drive the point home. Democrats are weaponizing the judicial system in order to stop the possibility of Trump doing the worst sin of ....weaponizing the judicial system

Further, one could argue that by simply picking Kamala Harris when no one voted for her, they are undermining democracy in order to stop the possibility of Trump doing the worst sin of....undermining democracy.

Is that irony? I always get the definition confused. It's definitely hypocritical bs.

I'll stop hijacking the Ukrainian thread.

First I appreciate your honesty in the other post. I personally that's not how I have seen the events unfold but I can't see how some can see it that.

It's been less than 4 years since the events unfolded and the legal system moved slowly for complex cases and have also been delayed . So I don't see the cases relating to election as being politically motivated, but rather a relatively fresh event and it takes some time to bring the case and charges. I can acknowledge that there's some element of targeting him for stuff outside of the realm of January 6th and the classified documents.

Thanks for you answer, I appreciate the discourse and you taking the time to explain your position.

 

[Blazers46]

It wasn't politicians saying they should burn, it was the politicians that didn't do anything. Your friendly aw shucks VP candidate is a perfect example. He refused to bring in the guard at the request of the Mayor of Minneapolis and the results weren't pretty.

I think you are being too nice. A lot of them did encourage it. They even promoted the Minneapolis bail fund to get them out of jail. Tim Walz wife even admitted to keeping windows open to smell the burning city to embrace the moment… Maxine Waters and many others supported it loud and proud before and during.

 

[Blazers46]

First I appreciate your honesty in the other post. I personally that's not how I have seen the events unfold but I can't see how some can see it that.

It's been less than 4 years since the events unfolded and the legal system moved slowly for complex cases and have also been delayed . So I don't see the cases relating to election as being politically motivated, but rather a relatively fresh event and it takes some time to bring the case and charges. I can acknowledge that there's some element of targeting him for stuff outside of the realm of January 6th and the classified documents.

Thanks for you answer, I appreciate the discourse and you taking the time to explain your position.

It was wrong if them then and magnitudes worse what Trump did

So who do we call on to be accountable for encouraging Minneapolis and other rioting and looting on the left?

 

[TracyGraham]

First I appreciate your honesty in the other post. I personally that's not how I have seen the events unfold but I can't see how some can see it that.

It's been less than 4 years since the events unfolded and the legal system moved slowly for complex cases and have also been delayed . So I don't see the cases relating to election as being politically motivated, but rather a relatively fresh event and it takes some time to bring the case and charges. I can acknowledge that there's some element of targeting him for stuff outside of the realm of January 6th and the classified documents.

Thanks for you answer, I appreciate the discourse and you taking the time to explain your position.

Thanks, same to you!

 

[TorontoGold]

Yeah this is you saying a lot of nothing again to avoid saying anything. The “legal standard” the Jan 6 committee said Don should be charged with insurrection wasn’t anything he said but that he provided them comfort or space to do so… “he lit the fire”. I could go on the google or YouTube machine and find all the people that provided comfort and space for other actions but it wouldn’t change your mind to formulate an opinion. Why waste each others time.

I say a lot of nothing because I don't have the knowledge at the same level that you do of who should be held responsible. I'm asking you for who you specifically think should be charged and why. If you don't want to answer that's on you.

I'm totally ok with applying the same standard that Trump was held to.

It wasn't politicians saying they should burn, it was the politicians that didn't do anything. Your friendly aw shucks VP candidate is a perfect example. He refused to bring in the guard at the request of the Mayor of Minneapolis and the results weren't pretty.

Try again.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

So who do we call on to be accountable for encouraging Minneapolis and other rioting and looting on the left?

Whatever politicians said to do it. I don't view the events in the same light. And I think we're doomed as a country if the logic moving forward is one party did something unacceptable and wasn't held accountable so now it's acceptable for the other party going forward to do something similar and take it 10 steps further.
Our elected officials, regardless of party affiliation, should condemn acts like the riots in Minneapolis and January 6th,. They certainly shouldn't be casting doubts for 2 months on results of the elections and then on the day the results are being certified they shouldn't encourage a large group of people to march on the Capitol and fight or else you won't have a country anymore. And by held accountable I don't necessarily mean in the courtroom and certainly not by assassination attempts. I don't think either are acceptable, besides legally if things were that terrible. But by our country. I blame McConnell and the others that didn't vote at the second impeachment, that was the opportunity for accountability and to show the citizens and the world what is acceptable.

We'd be looking at landslide Republican win right now if they Senate voted for the impeachment. Haley would probably end up being the candidate and should would beat whoever came out of left. We'd get out the crazies like Boebert and Green and replaced them with sane Republicans.

 

[Irish#1]

Try again.

No need to tee off again when you hit a hole in one.

 

[TorontoGold]

No need to tee off again when you hit a hole in one.

Unless you're still sitting in the cart.

 

[ab2cmiller]

No need to tee off again when you hit a hole in one.

Unless you're still sitting in the cart.

If he can hit a hole in one while sitting in a cart, he needs to take his act on the road.

 

[RDU Irish]

I'll try to be completely honest here. I'm most likely very biased. No doubt. If you were to ask me, I think it's just about all bs. When I, with my biased point of view, look at the Jan 6th situation, I don't think that he actually called for insurrection, but people on the other side are convinced he did. One can interpret it to fit their agenda, and it has been done. But by trying to argue honestly, and do my best to be unbiased, I think there are some things that can be legit and some that are not. Many on the right think every legal pursuit is illegitimate, many on the left think it is all reasonable. I think the truth falls somewhere in the middle. And when it happens nonstop since he took office, one must conclude it is kinda the definition of weaponization. The exact think that liberals warn us Trump will do(which he didnt).

Trump let Hillary walk without even a fight. He got impeached for even asking about Biden corruption in Ukraine. Anyone who can't see a massive double standard is either blind, stupid or dishonest. No way to sugar coat it at this point, IMO. Lock them all up but starting with Trump is a joke. And now we are at the "if you can't control or neutralize him, kill him" stage of the op.

 

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Pretty sad. Left has gone third world blood lust. Democracy was supposed to civilize.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yeah, a deep state cabal would certainly enlist those two creatures to be the shooters. Never mind the fact that it would martyr him. Truly have the mensa society here.

 

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Yeah, a deep state cabal would certainly enlist those two creatures to be the shooters. Never mind the fact that it would martyr him. Truly have the mensa society here.

You’re so lost. Keep putting your head in the sand. The kid found the one roof unprotected and the other loser knew the quick change golf course trump would be at? Gtfo

 

[TorontoGold]

You’re so lost. Keep putting your head in the sand. The kid found the one roof unprotected and the other loser knew the quick change golf course trump would be at? Gtfo

Got it, I'm lost. I would love to see the script of the fantasy tale where DNC who raises money hand over fist is enlisting the help of those two rejects.

 

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Got it, I'm lost. I would love to see the script of the fantasy tale where DNC who raises money hand over fist is enlisting the help of those two rejects.

Lol. If you’d research it you’d think differently. But to each his own. Winners ain’t exactly gonna wanna go on a suicidal mission. That’s why they recruit tribal infested losers

 

[TorontoGold]

Lol. If you’d research it you’d think differently. But to each his own. Winners ain’t exactly gonna wanna go on a suicidal mission. That’s why they recruit tribal infested losers

Post your research then.

DNC has millions of dollars, you are asking everyone to believe they would hire those two.