Russia Invades Ukraine

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He has a vested interest in the side winning that wants to continue to help his country fight for their freedom.
Yeah but for very good reason we should not stand for foreign officials campaigning on our soil. If they want to make comments in their country, so be it. I'm sure you would be blowing a gasket if Bibi was going to Trump rallies talking about how bad Kamala is
 

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Yeah but for very good reason we should not stand for foreign officials campaigning on our soil. If they want to make comments in their country, so be it. I'm sure you would be blowing a gasket if Bibi was going to Trump rallies talking about how bad Kamala is
Why? I would have no problem with Netanyahu visiting with Trump and making a statement if he felt it was necessary.
 

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Yeah but for very good reason we should not stand for foreign officials campaigning on our soil. If they want to make comments in their country, so be it. I'm sure you would be blowing a gasket if Bibi was going to Trump rallies talking about how bad Kamala is
Must have missed your outrage over Javier Milei and Nayib Bukele hanging out with Trump at CPAC. Or maybe it was clouded with your outrage over a freedom fighter like Victor Orban meeting with Trump at Mar A Lago negotiating behind the backs of other NATO members?

Anyways, I'm sure you were very mad at that and this is just a "my bad" on my part for not remembering it.
 

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Must have missed your outrage over Javier Milei and Nayib Bukele hanging out with Trump at CPAC. Or maybe it was clouded with your outrage over a freedom fighter like Victor Orban meeting with Trump at Mar A Lago negotiating behind the backs of other NATO members?

Anyways, I'm sure you were very mad at that and this is just a "my bad" on my part for not remembering it.
Did Milel or Bukele's speech at all comment on ongoing elections? Or did they speak about economic and general conservative principles? I think there is a huge difference between speaking at CPAC and getting flown in on a military plane to campaign with the current VPOTUS.
 

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Did Milel or Bukele's speech at all comment on ongoing elections? Or did they speak about economic and general conservative principles? I think there is a huge difference between speaking at CPAC and getting flown in on a military plane to campaign with the current VPOTUS.
I view CPAC as essentially a campaign event, so if we're ok with Milei and Bukele rolling up to CPAC and Trump hosting Victor Orban (very nice guy) to undermine NATO then why would I be pissed that Zelenskyy is getting a free trip?
 
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To be clear- we've moved past is this wrong to just dismissing it.



Did you have this same amount of energy and passion when Trump publicly asked Russia to dig up dirt and emails on Hillary? Or does that count as a foreign country interfering with our elections for you?
 

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Did you have this same amount of energy and passion when Trump publicly asked Russia to dig up dirt and emails on Hillary?
He pointed out how reckless and careless she was to a media dismissingg it as they are dismissing the recent collusion with Iran recently against Trump. Don't recall the outrage or acknowledgement from the administration on that.
 
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He pointed out how reckless and careless she was to a media dismissingg it as they are dismissing the recent collusion with Iran recently against Trump. Don't recall the outrage or acknowledgement from the administration on that.
So you didn't care when Trump
He pointed out how reckless and careless she was to a media dismissingg it as they are dismissing the recent collusion with Iran recently against Trump. Don't recall the outrage or acknowledgement from the administration on that.
So you don't care that he asked one of our largest enemies to hack his political opponent and in return for that hack Russia would be rewarded by our media??

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said in a July 27, 2016 news conference.
 

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So you didn't care when Trump
So you don't care that he asked one of our largest enemies to hack his political opponent and in return for that hack Russia would be rewarded by our media??

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said in a July 27, 2016 news conference.
Right- That illustrates how completely irresponsible she was with sensitive information and keeps her weakness relevant. Its campaign messaging. He didn't actually do it.

Did I miss an actual transfer of info from Russia to Trump like we literally just had in real life from Iran to Biden/Harris?
 
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Right- That illustrates how completely irresponsible she was with sensitive information and keeps her weakness relevant. Its campaign messaging. He didn't actually do it.

Did I miss an actual transfer of info from Russia to Trump like we literally just had in real life from Iran to Biden/Harris?
I mean it's been pretty well documented the ties between Russia and Trump's campaign, and how Russia used Trump's advisors at the time for information, but a bunch of people told me here that it was all fake news and Trump has had zero ties with Russia.
 
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Right- That illustrates how completely irresponsible she was with sensitive information and keeps her weakness relevant. Its campaign messaging. He didn't actually do it.

Did I miss an actual transfer of info from Russia to Trump like we literally just had in real life from Iran to Biden/Harris?
And couldn't agree more about Hillary. Any politician that died something like that should be held accountable
 
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I mean - I'm never going to answer any question directed my way. I only direct blame one direction. Derp.
Spoken like a true Trump supporter. Taking a page out of the book from old Donny boy, side step the question, blame immigrants, blame the Democrats, take no personal responsibility for his actions and make it someone else's fault!

Most of you haven't figured out that those of use calling for Trump to be held accountable aren't Harris fans, which is why most of us aren't defending her. We want Trump to be held accountable. I think Harris was a scum bag AG who used her position of power to negatively affect a disproportionate amount of young and probably black men for primarily marijuana charges.

You all play this deflection game when we call out Trump, with what about Harris, or before her what about Biden, and Clinton before that. But you know what known of them did? They didn't cast doubt on election for 2 months, then encourage a large group who ate up his lies, to march in the Capitol, fight like hell, and if you don't fight, you won't have a country anymore.

Some of us view his actions as historically anti American and anti patriotic and we just want the traitor to be held accountable
 

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I have criticized Trump plenty. I am a policy voter and always have been. The policy of Dems is dangerous and indefensible. I have a hard time finding any policy of value in their entire body of work most recently. There have been one or two instances I gave kudos to Biden but they were so insignificant I can't recall them presently.

TDS is real.
 
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I have criticized Trump plenty. I am a policy voter and always have been. The policy of Dems is dangerous and indefensible. I have a hard time finding any policy of value in their entire body of work most recently. There have been one or two instances I gave kudos to Biden but they were so insignificant I can't recall them presently.

TDS is real.
So wanting to hold the dude accountable who tried to undermine the election and our democracy qualifies as TDS? What if I told I'd have exact same stance regardless of the person's political affiliation? What if I said I agreed with more of Trump's policies than Biden/Harris?

Here's a novel idea, what about voting for senators and representatives who share similar policy beliefs but not voting for the dude who has actively tried to undermine our election, or vote for any of the other Republican candidates during the primary so could avoid this whole debacle
 

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Spoken like a true Trump supporter. Taking a page out of the book from old Donny boy, side step the question, blame immigrants, blame the Democrats, take no personal responsibility for his actions and make it someone else's fault!

Most of you haven't figured out that those of use calling for Trump to be held accountable aren't Harris fans, which is why most of us aren't defending her. We want Trump to be held accountable. I think Harris was a scum bag AG who used her position of power to negatively affect a disproportionate amount of young and probably black men for primarily marijuana charges.

You all play this deflection game when we call out Trump, with what about Harris, or before her what about Biden, and Clinton before that. But you know what known of them did? They didn't cast doubt on election for 2 months, then encourage a large group who ate up his lies, to march in the Capitol, fight like hell, and if you don't fight, you won't have a country anymore.

Some of us view his actions as historically anti American and anti patriotic and we just want the traitor to be held accountable
Yet we don't see any of you pointing out her or Walz's lying (oh wait, she's just changed positions.... lol). The deflection is equally as strong from the lefties on this site.
 
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Yet we don't see any of you pointing out her or Walz's lying (oh wait, she's just changed positions.... lol). The deflection is equally as strong from the lefties on this site.
Lol I fully get what you're saying. And I'm not deflecting just offering some insight into my actions.

I don't agree with her on a lot of her policies, and I can't stand the lying/embellishments from her and Walz and I know it comes across as me defending them when I'm partaking in the conversation. I just personally don't see them. Changing policy positions different than when Trump has done it. But honestly and more importantly to me and my whole reason for why I come after Trump, is I view him as someone who isn't fit to be president and we have numerous examples from his time as president and since 2020 as to why.

The lefts stance on guns is the complete opposite of mine. The more guns the better in my book. My handguns and rifles aren't to protect me from neighbors but from a corrupt government. Hell I'll make my stance even crazier, I believe any weapon the government has we should be able to have since thats who we are protecting ourselves from.

I've laid out my reasoning on Trump previously and don't want to dive back into it all. I'm a safe blue state so my vote for president isn't going to really matter and I haven't decided if I'll vote for Harris or not. I might just leave the presiden part of my ballot blank since I'm not that happy with Harris
 

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It's a real shame Trump seems to be leaning in this direction, but there is no way I can vote for the goofy left just because of this one issue. Hopefully Trump surprises if/when he gets elected. As we know, the left often tries to paint a false image of Trump and claim that he will do something when, in reality he will do something completely different. Fore example, they claim he is certainly going to weaponize the system to go after his opponents while they currently do that to him and act like we are too blind to see it. Fingers crossed their predictions of him of Ukraine/Russia will be incorrect...
 

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It's a real shame Trump seems to be leaning in this direction, but there is no way I can vote for the goofy left just because of this one issue. Hopefully Trump surprises if/when he gets elected. As we know, the left often tries to paint a false image of Trump and claim that he will do something when, in reality he will do something completely different. Fore example, they claim he is certainly going to weaponize the system to go after his opponents while they currently do that to him and act like we are too blind to see it. Fingers crossed their predictions of him of Ukraine/Russia will be incorrect...
Trump has a different view of that war, but I can't see him capitulating to Putin. His position all along was to get NATO members to pay their fair share and participate rather than sit on the sidelines. Hence the threat to pull out of NATO, which I personally thought was grandstanding and something he would never do.
 
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Fore example, they claim he is certainly going to weaponize the system to go after his opponents while they currently do that to him
I'm really curious why his supporters view it as this vs a consequence of his actions? How do you all view his role for the events leading up to and on January 6th? Him taking classified documents? Also that completely excuses his own words of him stating that's what he will do
 

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Zelensky is probably the greatest grifter of all time. The people slob knobbing Z will point out Trump is the greatest grifter of all time as if that is a defense.

We never sanctioned Russian nitrogen fertilizer imports which were proven as the war began as being dumped in the US for years prior to the war. All of DC can kick rocks, both sides of the aisle.
 

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It's a real shame Trump seems to be leaning in this direction, but there is no way I can vote for the goofy left just because of this one issue. Hopefully Trump surprises if/when he gets elected. As we know, the left often tries to paint a false image of Trump and claim that he will do something when, in reality he will do something completely different. Fore example, they claim he is certainly going to weaponize the system to go after his opponents while they currently do that to him and act like we are too blind to see it. Fingers crossed their predictions of him of Ukraine/Russia will be incorrect...
I think the biggest difference from a weak Biden regime to a Trump regime will be Iran and the downstream effects. Biden, in policy and actions has been fairly pro-Iran. Trump won’t hesitate to cut them off in every way they can and a lot of weapons are currently coming from Iran. I think Trump cuts off that tie. The bigger issue is China, who is also supporting Russia in the war. I think the play from Trump is to go back to isolating Iran and supporting Israel first, then re-open the Red Sea, which Biden and cronies have completely failed, and then work on China. NATO is really a worthless alliance, but I suspect he will push the weaker half to spend more on Ukraine and signal to Russia that they are going to be more isolated and more opposed to try to draw Putin into a pause. I can’t imagine Trump and team withdrawing support, he wants to project strength. If anything, he will load them more and ridicule Zelensky along the way and let them shoot American weapons into Russia. I just don’t see any path where they go isolationist on Ukraine.
 

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Ukrainian mercs taking shots at you while golfing might influence your handling of Ukraine aid. It's not like attempts on Bush Sr helped push Jr into squashing Iraq. I'm sure some CIA spooks giggle over drinks on how easy it was to manipulate that one.

To be clear - I am not saying that is what happened. Rather you have to admit it is beyond possible and anyone who says it is approaching likely isn't necessarily nuts.
 
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Ukrainian mercs taking shots at you while golfing might influence your handling of Ukraine aid. It's not like attempts on Bush Sr helped push Jr into squashing Iraq. I'm sure some CIA spooks giggle over drinks on how easy it was to manipulate that one.

To be clear - I am not saying that is what happened. Rather you have to admit it is beyond possible and anyone who says it is approaching likely isn't necessarily nuts.
Very true, I was just focused on how poorly the execution was and it almost seemed like he was trying to get caught before attempting the shot.
 

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I'm really curious why his supporters view it as this vs a consequence of his actions? How do you all view his role for the events leading up to and on January 6th? Him taking classified documents? Also that completely excuses his own words of him stating that's what he will do
Its not just Jan 6th .They have been going after him time after time after time. Every couple months the lefty crew on here seems to think they finally got Trump. I'm certainly not a lawyer, but I imagine an unbiased person would deduce that some things they go after Trump are legit, some might be a stretch, some questionable, some are never pursued. It's like RICO law type things to get Capone. They have constantly thrown the kitchen sink at him. Unprecedented doesn't do it justice.
 
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