Sep 21 | Miami (OH)

TheRealLynch51

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Likewise. You’re the creep that drools over his “fit” despite the fact that we’re getting drilled by NIU and and a dogfight against Miami of Ohio.
Holy hyperbole Batman. We beat Miami by 25. That's not a dogfight. Could there by improvements? Especially by the QB? 100%. Also, losing by two points is not "getting drilled". Bullshit loss and embarrassing for sure, but you're reaching for those extremes brother.
 

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Holy hyperbole Batman. We beat Miami by 25. That's not a dogfight. Could there by improvements? Especially by the QB? 100%. Also, losing by two points is not "getting drilled". Bullshit loss and embarrassing for sure, but you're reaching for those extremes brother.
I mean to be fair we were in a dogfight—it was just moreso against ourselves. Miami just also happened to be on the field at the same time.
 

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I don’t think this win was as bad as you guys want to think. If our 25 point win was 42-17 instead, would that have been satisfying? Defense allowed 220 yards & 3 points all day.

It wasn’t perfect, but I think Riley gained some confidence and made some nice throws, especially after the first quarter. We just can’t ignore his ability as a runner. Considering he was a great runner against Texas A&M who was the toughest defensive opponent will play all year, you can’t say “this isn’t going to work against better teams”. It did work, it is going to continue to work as long as he’s healthy.

That being said, if he can’t complete the easy throws in 3 to 4 drives against Louisville. Then I think we’ll need to make a change. Weird spot we’re in.
 

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I don’t think this win was as bad as you guys want to think. If our 25 point win was 42-17 instead, would that have been satisfying? Defense allowed 220 yards & 3 points all day.

It wasn’t perfect, but I think Riley gained some confidence and made some nice throws, especially after the first quarter. We just can’t ignore his ability as a runner. Considering he was a great runner against Texas A&M who was the toughest defensive opponent will play all year, you can’t say “this isn’t going to work against better teams”. It did work, it is going to continue to work as long as he’s healthy.

That being said, if he can’t complete the easy throws in 3 to 4 drives against Louisville. Then I think we’ll need to make a change. Weird spot we’re in.
I agree on all fronts. I don't think Freeman's got the chest to switch Leonard mid-game though. Incoming 17-14 dog fight.
 

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I had a moment of clarity somewhere between beer 7 and 8 and realized this:

All of us who love this team and program and university really have nothing to lose by yanking Leonard in favor of Angeli, et al.

MFMF has his livelihood and likely his coaching future at stake. Obviously he’s going to, at this point, roll with Leonard and has accepted his fate as he thinks it gives the team the best chance to win. He’s banking that RL’s leadership and experience trump Angeli’s ability to complete successive forward passes. Alright, fine.

I disagree, but I make a solid five figures as a public employee and am a former average offensive lineman and offensive line coach/defensive coordinator. I made four figures a year at the height of my coaching career.

I guess for my mental sanity I’ll just root for the team and root for RL to figure some shit out, because outside of injury (which if you ever root for a dude to get injured, fuck you) we’re probably not getting Angeli. Or Minchey. Or Carr. Or Buchner.
 

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You're telling me with Love and price we wouldn't still have an awesome rushing attack without Leonard? I don't buy it. Struggling against winless Mac teams is unacceptable and everyone can see it's the QB. If I were a WR on this team I'd be so pissed. If I were a WR commit I wouldn't come. Angelli should take every snap next week.
 

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I had a moment of clarity somewhere between beer 7 and 8 and realized this:

All of us who love this team and program and university really have nothing to lose by yanking Leonard in favor of Angeli, et al.

MFMF has his livelihood and likely his coaching future at stake. Obviously he’s going to, at this point, roll with Leonard and has accepted his fate as he thinks it gives the team the best chance to win. He’s banking that RL’s leadership and experience trump Angeli’s ability to complete successive forward passes. Alright, fine.

I disagree, but I make a solid five figures as a public employee and am a former average offensive lineman and offensive line coach/defensive coordinator. I made four figures a year at the height of my coaching career.

I guess for my mental sanity I’ll just root for the team and root for RL to figure some shit out, because outside of injury (which if you ever root for a dude to get injured, fuck you) we’re probably not getting Angeli. Or Minchey. Or Carr. Or Buchner.
damn, as a fellow public employee, this hits. never a lineman tho lol
 

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If they handed the ball off on every play they score more than 28 points. Every non- scoring drive was ruined by a pass attempt.
 

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I think Tennessee had more passing yards in that TD pass than we've had in most of our halfs 😂
 

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I don’t think this win was as bad as you guys want to think. If our 25 point win was 42-17 instead, would that have been satisfying? Defense allowed 220 yards & 3 points all day.

It wasn’t perfect, but I think Riley gained some confidence and made some nice throws, especially after the first quarter. We just can’t ignore his ability as a runner. Considering he was a great runner against Texas A&M who was the toughest defensive opponent will play all year, you can’t say “this isn’t going to work against better teams”. It did work, it is going to continue to work as long as he’s healthy.

That being said, if he can’t complete the easy throws in 3 to 4 drives against Louisville. Then I think we’ll need to make a change. Weird spot we’re in.
I think the main cause of epic frustration is this is like 6 season in a row that it has been a garbage passing offence. Then you flick over to another game and passes are getting made all over the place.
 

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This isn’t pee wee football where you let a kid play to grow confidence with a long leash. The last time I saw a balanced offense hitting on all cylinders was the Sun Bowl.
 

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It was heart in mouth with that Wagner injury. I guess Lamnert would have come in and that would have been good for 25.
 

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I also think Angeli must not be the stud We think he is in practice. He looked very pedestrian in the spring game, and is very obviously the fourth most physically gifted quarterback on the roster.
 

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I also think Angeli must not be the stud We think he is in practice. He looked very pedestrian in the spring game, and is very obviously the fourth most physically gifted quarterback on the roster.
Personally, I don’t think he’s a stud at all. I think he’d give the offense more balance. And, I think we’ll need that to give ourselves a shot.
 

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I don’t think this win was as bad as you guys want to think. If our 25 point win was 42-17 instead, would that have been satisfying? Defense allowed 220 yards & 3 points all day.

It wasn’t perfect, but I think Riley gained some confidence and made some nice throws, especially after the first quarter. We just can’t ignore his ability as a runner. Considering he was a great runner against Texas A&M who was the toughest defensive opponent will play all year, you can’t say “this isn’t going to work against better teams”. It did work, it is going to continue to work as long as he’s healthy.

That being said, if he can’t complete the easy throws in 3 to 4 drives against Louisville. Then I think we’ll need to make a change. Weird spot we’re in.
Respectfully, you keep saying it worked against A&M. It worked as good as Florida’s offense did against A&M. 5.6 yds/play is not a good mark. If that was the offense for every game this season, it’d put ND in a tie for 58th nationally. For all of last season, 53rd.

I wouldn’t call that working. It was enough for the rest of the team to make up for it.
 

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I saw people questioning the crowd today. Went to the game myself today. My section cleared out a lot about 5 minutes in. It was brutally hot with 90 degree temperatures. Had multiple people get ushered out due to the heat by first aid. Lot of people hung out in the concourse before leaving. My son wanted to leave by the second quarter. But I thought the crowd was decent taking in those considerations against a winless MAC team.

I will say I’m not a fan of the DJ and I wouldn’t be even if they had a good one. I don’t think the club vibe fits. I’d be much more up with the drunken Irish bar crowd.
 

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For perspective, I believe BGSU is averaging 7yds/play against A&M, as we speak.
 

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For perspective, I believe BGSU is averaging 7yds/play against A&M, as we speak.
You don't need to convince most of us. Anyone who is watching with their eyes open sees that RL is severely handicapping the offense. Big congrats on him throwing his 1st TD of the season (in game 4) and all, but he's an absolute burden. Not being any good with reads and medium-to-deep passes is one thing, but not being able to make short passes either is just unforgivable.

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The best throw of the day was by SA on the run to the sideline that was dropped. Not sure on the run is right but more on the move and put it right on the receiver. RL does not have that capability in his game. RL is only capable of short hoping out routes and throwing behind WRs on slant routes. At this point I’m not sure what the coaches are seeing or if MF really is overruling everyone by keeping RL in the games!

We have two great RBs that aren’t getting carries because our QB isn’t capable of making simple throws and panics under little pressure in the pocket. No wonder it’s hard to recruit WRs and soon it will be harder to recruit RBs because we don’t get them the ball enough.
 

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One thing that keeps happening. Al Golden figures out how to stop the other teams offense as the game wears on. By the fouth quarter, they are not going anywhere unless the back up are in. We just need to stay close early because we do give up drives on the first few possessions.
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