Presidential Election 2024

[Jiggafini19Deux]

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/27/nx-s1-5091154/trump-arlington-cemetery

A source with knowledge of the incident said the cemetery official tried to prevent Trump staffers from filming and photographing in a section where recent U.S. casualties are buried. The source said Arlington officials had made clear that only cemetery staff members would be authorized to take photographs or film in the area, known as Section 60.

When the cemetery official tried to prevent Trump campaign staff from entering Section 60, campaign staff verbally abused and pushed the official aside, according to the source.

 

[drayer54]

Supreme Court, for Now, Keeps Block on Revamped Biden Student Debt Plan

The new plan was part of a piecemeal approach to student debt after the justices rejected a proposal last year that would have canceled more than $400 billion in loans.

www.nytimes.com

Supreme Court is not a popular entity right now. Harris/Dems could certainly make it about that. Dear Leader gets plenty of oxygen already.

SCOTUS is only unpopular to those who buy into the MSNBC bullshit and can’t figure out what a partisan attack on checks and balances looks like.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

SCOTUS is only unpopular to those who buy into the MSNBC bullshit and can’t figure out what a partisan attack on checks and balances looks like.

Does a sitting president encouraging a group of people to march to the Capitol and preventing the certification of an election fall under that umbrella??? Asking for a friend

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Does a sitting president encouraging a group of people to march to the Capitol and preventing the certification of an election fall under that umbrella??? Asking for a friend

 

[NDVirginia19]

I agree with this minus weakening the executive branch. Three immunity ruling if anything only grants more power. I'm really curious as to why you think the executive branch has been weakened.

And I feel must people don't approve of the court because of how Republicans handled Obama's nomination. That made the city politicized in the public eye. Unpopular rulings swayed even more opinions.

Overturning Chevron massively weakens the executive branch. Chevron allowed the executive branch to consolidate all three powers of government - allowing them to essentially legislate their own regulations carte blanche, enforce those regulations, and stand up article II (Executive branch) courts. Chevron Deference deferred the judicial oversight out of article III (Judicial branch) courts to the executive branch, which is a complete breech of the principles of separation of powers.

 

[drayer54]

Does a sitting president encouraging a group of people to march to the Capitol and preventing the certification of an election fall under that umbrella??? Asking for a friend

Did he encourage that?

I don’t love Trumps actions post election, but I think that’s a step beyond reality.

 

[GATTACA!]

Did he encourage that?

I don’t love Trumps actions post election, but I think that’s a step beyond reality.

Sitting on his hands and refusing to act while he watched it happen is as clear of an endorsement as you should need.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Did he encourage that?

I don’t love Trumps actions post election, but I think that’s a step beyond reality.

He 100% encouraged people to march to the Capitol, the violence part is up to interpretation.

From his speech the day of January 6th;
"Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down.

Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections. But whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time. Far longer than this four-year period. We've set it on a much greater course. So much, and we, I thought, you know, four more years. I thought it would be easy."

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Sitting on his hands and refusing to act while he watched it happen is as clear of an endorsement as you should need.

He told everyone to march and they listened. It's honestly pretty black and white. Anyone that says otherwise is just being disingenuous. The only debate to be had would be if he encouraged any amount of violence or not

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Overturning Chevron massively weakens the executive branch. Chevron allowed the executive branch to consolidate all three powers of government - allowing them to essentially legislate their own regulations carte blanche, enforce those regulations, and stand up article II (Executive branch) courts. Chevron Deference deferred the judicial oversight out of article III (Judicial branch) courts to the executive branch, which is a complete breech of the principles of separation of powers.

I think that decision empowers congress more so than weakening the executive but I can see your argument. I still believe the immunity ruling put more power into the executive branch than ever before

 

[GoIrish41]

Did he encourage that?

I don’t love Trumps actions post election, but I think that’s a step beyond reality.

“We’re going to March down to the capitol. … You’ve got to fight like hell or you aren’t going to have a country anymore.”

In the context of the day, thousands of people interpreted these words as a real-time call to violence. Trump’s behavior during and in the hours following did nothing to offer an alternate interpretation. Perhaps it’s you who are the guy who is out of step with reality.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

“We’re going to March down to the capitol. … You’ve got to fight like hell or you aren’t going to have a country anymore.”

In the context of the day, thousands of people interpreted these words as a real-time call to violence. Trump’s behavior during and in the hours following did nothing to offer an alternate interpretation. Perhaps it’s you who are the guy who is out of step with reality.

It's the whole problem with people defending him. Look at his actions in the 2 months from election until January 6, and then listen to what he actually said. There's no way it wasn't going to escalate like it did, and people need to hold him accountable for his role in the events. It's unlike anything anyone here has every seen in our lifetimes and we should all be embarrassed that he still has a shot in hell at becoming president again.

 

[GoIrish41]

It's the whole problem with people defending him. Look at his actions in the 2 months from election until January 6, and then listen to what he actually said. There's no way it wasn't going to escalate like it did, and people need to hold him accountable for his role in the events. It's unlike anything anyone here has every seen in our lifetimes and we should all be embarrassed that he still has a shot in hell at becoming president again.

Right there with ya, brother.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Trump Goes on Crazed, Violent Rant Calling for Death of His Enemies

Donald Trump went on a fascist posting spree on Truth Social after receiving news of his latest indictment.

newrepublic.com

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Georgia’s MAGA elections board is laying the groundwork for an actual stolen election

A new lawsuit hopes to stop them.

www.vox.com

Hard to see a path to victory for Dear Leader should he lose Georgia.

 

[ulukinatme]

Trump Goes on Crazed, Violent Rant Calling for Death of His Enemies

Donald Trump went on a fascist posting spree on Truth Social after receiving news of his latest indictment.

newrepublic.com

Wait, so Trump Retweets/Retruths some posts about locking up liberals and jokes about blowjobs between Clinton/Kamala...and that constitutes a "crazed, violent rant calling for the death of his enemies?" Did I miss something? First off, how is reposting something constitute a rant? It's not even your own words, it's someone else's. Second, where is the violent death part we were promised? I don't see that in any of the reposts, at worst it's calling to arrest political opponents (Something he's familiar with).

lolNewRepublic

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[ColoradoIrish]

Wait, so Trump Retweets/Retruths some posts about locking up liberals and jokes about blowjobs between Clinton/Kamala...and that constitutes a "crazed, violent rant calling for the death of his enemies?" Did I miss something? First off, how is reposting something constitute a rant? It's not even your own words, it's someone else's. Second, where is the violent death part we were promised? I don't see that in any of the reposts, at worst it's calling to arrest political opponents (Something he's familiar with).

lolNewRepublic

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Why does the source matter when you can go to Trump's page and see if for yourself? That kind of rhetoric shouldn't be tolerated by our potential commander in chief regardless of someone's political views.

 

[Irish#1]

Why does the source matter when you can go to Trump's page and see if for yourself? That kind of rhetoric shouldn't be tolerated by our potential commander in chief regardless of someone's political views.

Agree, just like Joe and his multitude of lies over the years.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Agree, just like Joe and his multitude of lies over the years.

Then use that same energy towards Donny boy and not constantly defend him

 

[ulukinatme]

Why does the source matter when you can go to Trump's page and see if for yourself? That kind of rhetoric shouldn't be tolerated by our potential commander in chief regardless of someone's political views.

Did you miss the part where the headline is a complete fabrication? Again, it says he called for the death of his enemies. I didn't see that in any of their examples given. Also, they were all reposts of memes. The source matters because the source is propaganda.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Did you miss the part where the headline is a complete fabrication? Again, it says he called for the death of his enemies. I didn't see that in any of their examples given. Also, they were all reposts of memes. The source matters because the source is propaganda.

So him reposting them doesn't count as a endorsement of the idea?

 

[ulukinatme]

So him reposting them doesn't count as a endorsement of the idea?

Holy shit...I can't with you right now.
The title of the article: "Trump Goes on Crazed, Violent Rant Calling for Death of His Enemies"
Show me where Trump went on a rant calling for the death of his enemies.
It doesn't exist, it's a bunch of reposts he did of people calling to lockup liberals, or it's a joke about blowjobs between Clinton and Kamala, or it's Trump riding with AI Lions. It's all reposts of memes, none of which call for anyone's death.
That's it. They don't show any unhinged rants about death to his enemies.
The entire article is misleading/misinformation because it's propaganda.
I don't know how to make it any clearer unless you actually read it.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Holy shit...I can't with you right now.
The title of the article: "Trump Goes on Crazed, Violent Rant Calling for Death of His Enemies"
Show me where Trump went on a rant calling for the death of his enemies.
It doesn't exist, it's a bunch of reposts he did of people calling to lockup liberals, or it's a joke about blowjobs between Clinton and Kamala, or it's Trump riding with AI Lions. It's all reposts of memes, none of which call for anyone's death.
That's it. They don't show any unhinged rants about death to his enemies.
The entire article is misleading/misinformation because it's propaganda.
I don't know how to make it any clearer unless you actually read it.

Cool I get that, but it doesn't discredit the rest of the shit his advocating for. Like jailing people calling for a second civil war. It's like you and the rest of his supporters will grasp to one tiny thing to discredit the rest. Is the article better? Probably not cause it's from msm

Trump shares social media posts with QAnon phrases and calls for jailing lawmakers, special counsel

Donald Trump shared more than a dozen posts on his social media network that call for the trial or jailing of his foes, including House lawmakers who investigated the attack on the U.S. Capitol and special counsel Jack Smith

abcnews.go.com

 

[GoIrish41]

Then use that same energy towards Donny boy and not constantly defend him

It’s that simple.

 

[ulukinatme]

Cool I get that, but it doesn't discredit the rest of the shit his advocating for. Like jailing people calling for a second civil war. It's like you and the rest of his supporters will grasp to one tiny thing to discredit the rest. Is the article better? Probably not cause it's from msm

Trump shares social media posts with QAnon phrases and calls for jailing lawmakers, special counsel

Donald Trump shared more than a dozen posts on his social media network that call for the trial or jailing of his foes, including House lawmakers who investigated the attack on the U.S. Capitol and special counsel Jack Smith

abcnews.go.com

Actually, it does discredit the rest of the shit when the headline is a complete fallacy right from the get go. They repeat the lie later in the article, claiming he called for politicians deaths. They further some rumors and possible conspiracy theories as well, like Trump's "ongoing cognitive decline." They say he reposted multiple QANON conspiracy theories, but apparently it was one picture that had one abbreviation "WWG1WGA." It also references some stuff from Meidas Touch, another propaganda account.

Bottom line, this is garbage propaganda with bits of truth sprinkled in. Gullible people eat it up though, and then regurgitate it as fact.

The article from ABC News originally came from the AP it looks like, and it's definitely closer to reporting the actual truth.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Actually, it does discredit the rest of the shit when the headline is a complete fallacy right from the get go. They repeat the lie later in the article, claiming he called for politicians deaths. They further some rumors and possible conspiracy theories as well, like Trump's "ongoing cognitive decline." They say he reposted multiple QANON conspiracy theories, but apparently it was one picture that had one abbreviation "WWG1WGA." It also references some stuff from Meidas Touch, another propaganda account.

Bottom line, this is garbage propaganda with bits of truth sprinkled in. Gullible people eat it up though, and then regurgitate it as fact.

The article from ABC News originally came from the AP it looks like, and it's definitely closer to reporting the actual truth.

Agree with the article being misleading, but I don't agree it discredits everything. I know I'm different than most but if I see an article I read it and then research it on my own. And besides the death part the rest is pretty freaking accurate. I don't like having to go truth social but unfortunately have to. I hold our leaders to a very high standard and I don't think there's a place for any of the stuff he said/has been saying.

 

[TorontoGold]

It’s that simple.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

And I think Trump very clearly has a cognitive decline, but it's common for anyone of his age. To me it's pretty clear during his speeches. He routinely goes on tangents, he will sometimes get lost in what he was saying but he's more there than Biden and is able to come back to his original thought. But to say he isn't goes against the science for anyone of that age

 

[Irish#1]

Then use that same energy towards Donny boy and not constantly defend him

You’re the guy that told me you’ve been reading these threads for years before you started posting. If that was the case you would know that I’ve dumped on Trump plenty of times. Maybe not the amount or passion of GoIrish41, Toronto or other libs, but I have. And one more time for the record, I’ve never voted for Trump.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Sitting on his hands and refusing to act while he watched it happen is as clear of an endorsement as you should need.

Did Nancy Pelosi endorse it, as she had the option for the national guard to come reinforce the capitol after receiving warning and she denied it?