Presidential Election 2024

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[Bishop2b5]

Why bother? She's running against someone that doesn't talk any policy and people know from his last administration that most of what he does say is bullshit.

If she's going to win this election it's not going to be based off of converting people with policy positions. It will be by being the non geriatric unhinged lunatic candidate.

Gattaca, I'd expect a lame answer like that from a couple of people in here, but not you. This one's beneath you. Please tell me you don't really think it's OK for her to not be honest with voters and just state her positions on the major topics.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Supreme Court, for Now, Keeps Block on Revamped Biden Student Debt Plan

The new plan was part of a piecemeal approach to student debt after the justices rejected a proposal last year that would have canceled more than $400 billion in loans.

www.nytimes.com

Supreme Court is not a popular entity right now. Harris/Dems could certainly make it about that. Dear Leader gets plenty of oxygen already.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Supreme Court, for Now, Keeps Block on Revamped Biden Student Debt Plan

The new plan was part of a piecemeal approach to student debt after the justices rejected a proposal last year that would have canceled more than $400 billion in loans.

www.nytimes.com

Supreme Court is not a popular entity right now. Harris/Dems could certainly make it about that. Dear Leader gets plenty of oxygen already.

Maybe not a popular decision on the far left, but most Americans don't want to be forced to pay off someone else's debt. We paid our student loans off. Some guy who didn't go to college and drives a truck or works in a factory HATES the idea of being forced to pay off some 20-something's student loans. What about the guy who went to trade school and became a plumber or lineman because he couldn't afford an expensive 4-year college or didn't want to incur a huge debt? Why should he be forced to pay for someone's useless degree? If your degree isn't worth enough in the job market to allow you to pay back your student loan, why is worth enough to me to pay for it? Here's an idea: take out a loan, pay it back. It's not anyone else's responsibility. SCOTUS halting Biden's vote buy nonsense is a great thing and very popular with the grown ups who understand personal responsibility.

 

[GATTACA!]

Gattaca, I'd expect a lame answer like that from a couple of people in here, but not you. This one's beneath you. Please tell me you don't really think it's OK for her to not be honest with voters and just state her positions on the major topics.

I’m talking purely from a strategic point of view.

It’s her best play.

 

[ulukinatme]

Could be worse, he could have been talking up our very close alliance with North Korea

 

[IrishLax]

Stolen Valor.

 

[GATTACA!]

Stolen Valor.

Shades of Kim Jong Il shooting a -38.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Maybe not a popular decision on the far left, but most Americans don't want to be forced to pay off someone else's debt. We paid our student loans off. Some guy who didn't go to college and drives a truck or works in a factory HATES the idea of being forced to pay off some 20-something's student loans. What about the guy who went to trade school and became a plumber or lineman because he couldn't afford an expensive 4-year college or didn't want to incur a huge debt? Why should he be forced to pay for someone's useless degree? If your degree isn't worth enough in the job market to allow you to pay back your student loan, why is worth enough to me to pay for it? Here's an idea: take out a loan, pay it back. It's not anyone else's responsibility. SCOTUS halting Biden's vote buy nonsense is a great thing and very popular with the grown ups who understand personal responsibility.

Agreed on the debt relief part. But completely removing a payment plan that saves some 100's a month is going to resonate with way more than just those on the far left. I have numerous friends who went to small schools to play sports on partial scholarships, came out 40k+ in debt, they don't necessarily want it forgiven but they want access to payment plans that aren't taking 500-1k out of their paycheck each month. And a lot of those people are public educators or nurses working at public hospitals where they're not making a killing.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Agreed on the debt relief part. But completely removing a payment plan that saves some 100's a month is going to resonate with way more than just those on the far left. I have numerous friends who went to small schools to play sports on partial scholarships, came out 40k+ in debt, they don't necessarily want it forgiven but they want access to payment plans that aren't taking 500-1k out of their paycheck each month. And a lot of those people are public educators or nurses working at public hospitals where they're not making a killing.

I'm sure most people are fine with restructuring payments or putting most on a payment plan that's reasonable and doable. No problem there. The loan forgiveness stuff is nonsense, though. It doesn't forgive anything. It just passes it on to others, usually the taxpayer.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I'm sure most people are fine with restructuring payments or putting most on a payment plan that's reasonable and doable. No problem there. The loan forgiveness stuff is nonsense, though. It doesn't forgive anything. It just passes it on to others, usually the taxpayer.

Agreed on the loan forgiveness side but this also removes three plan that allowed borrowers the lowest monthly payments. I work at public hospital and there's a lot of nurses I spoke to whose payments are rising from the 150-200 range up to 600ish when that plan is gone. A lot of of people can't afford that kind of increase

 

[TorontoGold]

Agreed on the debt relief part. But completely removing a payment plan that saves some 100's a month is going to resonate with way more than just those on the far left. I have numerous friends who went to small schools to play sports on partial scholarships, came out 40k+ in debt, they don't necessarily want it forgiven but they want access to payment plans that aren't taking 500-1k out of their paycheck each month. And a lot of those people are public educators or nurses working at public hospitals where they're not making a killing.

Freeing up the debt load for those that are college educated is great economic policy though. Household debt is reaching critical levels and if continues to skew larger to school loans that will devastate everyone. It would be much better to bailout the future middle class than just waiting till the banks go belly up and bail them out (again). People see those with student loans as pink haired liberal arts students and that's why it's a LOL POOR STUDENTS!

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Freeing up the debt load for those that are college educated is great economic policy though. Household debt is reaching critical levels and if continues to skew larger to school loans that will devastate everyone. It would be much better to bailout the future middle class than just waiting till the banks go belly up and bail them out (again). People see those with student loans as pink haired liberal arts students and that's why it's a LOL POOR STUDENTS!

I believe those wishing public sector jobs, public School teachers, doctors, nurses at public hospitals and clinics should be able to qualify for some debt relief. I'm in the boat that the government created the student loan problem and they should also be the ones to resolve. They sold a bill of goods to students taking on large amounts of debt that now have no realistic way to get it fully paid off

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Could be worse, he could have been talking up our very close alliance with North Korea

I am pumped to see this woman on stage for 90 minutes with no teleprompter.

 

[TorontoGold]

I believe those wishing public sector jobs, public School teachers, doctors, nurses at public hospitals and clinics should be able to qualify for some debt relief. I'm in the boat that the government created the student loan problem and they should also be the ones to resolve. They sold a bill of goods to students taking on large amounts of debt that now have no realistic way to get it fully paid off

The government totally abdicated any sort of responsibility on this crisis because "regulations = communism" so until the populace goes belly up there's really nothing that can be done. Bunch of guys who got their education in the 80's telling students to get fucked because they got theirs is *chefs kiss* can't wait to see the homeless crisis boom and see the same "Why are people enabling homeless people!" wonder why this happened. Oh well, yolo personal responsibility only my situation matters and surely a large segment of the populace being insolvent won't impact me.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

The government totally abdicated any sort of responsibility on this crisis because "regulations = communism" so until the populace goes belly up there's really nothing that can be done. Bunch of guys who got their education in the 80's telling students to get fucked because they got theirs is *chefs kiss* can't wait to see the homeless crisis boom and see the same "Why are people enabling homeless people!" wonder why this happened. Oh well, yolo personal responsibility only my situation matters and surely a large segment of the populace being insolvent won't impact me.

Perfectly said

 

[drayer54]

YOU DID IT! You proved he’s senile! It’s clearly a stutter.

 

[Bluto]

Maybe not a popular decision on the far left, but most Americans don't want to be forced to pay off someone else's debt. We paid our student loans off. Some guy who didn't go to college and drives a truck or works in a factory HATES the idea of being forced to pay off some 20-something's student loans. What about the guy who went to trade school and became a plumber or lineman because he couldn't afford an expensive 4-year college or didn't want to incur a huge debt? Why should he be forced to pay for someone's useless degree? If your degree isn't worth enough in the job market to allow you to pay back your student loan, why is worth enough to me to pay for it? Here's an idea: take out a loan, pay it back. It's not anyone else's responsibility. SCOTUS halting Biden's vote buy nonsense is a great thing and very popular with the grown ups who understand personal responsibility.

Tax payers pay off rich dickheads debts all the time.

As to the trades, most apprenticeships are paid and none of the plumbers, linemen, operators I know went to a trade school. Maybe some of the heavy equipment mechanics.

Also, it’s my understanding that a large number of these student loans were incurred while attending “technical institutes”.

 

[Bluto]

The government totally abdicated any sort of responsibility on this crisis because "regulations = communism" so until the populace goes belly up there's really nothing that can be done. Bunch of guys who got their education in the 80's telling students to get fucked because they got theirs is *chefs kiss* can't wait to see the homeless crisis boom and see the same "Why are people enabling homeless people!" wonder why this happened. Oh well, yolo personal responsibility only my situation matters and surely a large segment of the populace being insolvent won't impact me.

It’s amazing to me that a bunch of fuckwads in positions of power with advanced degrees from elite institutions keep telling people “you don’t need to go to college. Just learn a trade!” without any understanding of what that really means.

I used to be a contractor and I’m good friends with a bunch of people in the trades. Some have done pretty well. Some not so much. Just about all of them have serious physical issues related to their jobs. Being in the trades can be incredibly rewarding but it is really fucking hard work.

Pretty dumb that many on the right are all rah, rah trades while at the same time undermining things like unions and affordable health care that would make working in a trade more appealing/sustainable.

 

[NDVirginia19]

If these are such great no brainer positions on how people should be able to pay off their loans, then let’s enact it the constitutional way via legislation rather than executive order.

 

[ab2cmiller]

 

[Bluto]

If these are such great no brainer positions on how people should be able to pay off their loans, then let’s enact it the constitutional way via legislation rather than executive order.

I agree with this. I think the presidency and the courts have gotten waaaay drunk with power and congress has been all too happy to abdicate theirs.

 

[TorontoGold]

It’s amazing to me that a bunch of fuckwads in positions of power with advanced degrees from elite institutions keep telling people “you don’t need to go to college. Just learn a trade!” without any understanding of what that really means.

I used to be a contractor and I’m good friends with a bunch of people in the trades. Some have done pretty well. Some not so much. Just about all of them have serious physical issues related to their jobs. Being in the trades can be incredibly rewarding but it is really fucking hard work.

It's absolutely wild. "I just have to hold the stop sign and get paid $75K?? Right??"

 

[ulukinatme]

It’s amazing to me that a bunch of fuckwads in positions of power with advanced degrees from elite institutions keep telling people “you don’t need to go to college. Just learn a trade!” without any understanding of what that really means.

I used to be a contractor and I’m good friends with a bunch of people in the trades. Some have done pretty well. Some not so much. Just about all of them have serious physical issues related to their jobs. Being in the trades can be incredibly rewarding but it is really fucking hard work.

Pretty dumb that many on the right are all rah, rah trades while at the same time undermining things like unions and affordable health care that would make working in a trade more appealing/sustainable.

Gotta agree with the bolded. Trades can be a good living, but they can be hard on your body. I've got a buddy that was an electrician. Did a ton of work for Wal-Mart and other chains during their boom in the 90s and early 2000s as stores were popping up everywhere. It was long hours of overtime, lots of travel, lots of crawling around in cramped spaces. He made some real good bank, basically paid off his house and debts and retired at 40, but he kind of had to at that age because his body is wrecked. He has to live tight on a limited budget, but hey...he's debt free.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Maybe not a popular decision on the far left, but most Americans don't want to be forced to pay off someone else's debt. We paid our student loans off. Some guy who didn't go to college and drives a truck or works in a factory HATES the idea of being forced to pay off some 20-something's student loans. What about the guy who went to trade school and became a plumber or lineman because he couldn't afford an expensive 4-year college or didn't want to incur a huge debt? Why should he be forced to pay for someone's useless degree? If your degree isn't worth enough in the job market to allow you to pay back your student loan, why is worth enough to me to pay for it? Here's an idea: take out a loan, pay it back. It's not anyone else's responsibility. SCOTUS halting Biden's vote buy nonsense is a great thing and very popular with the grown ups who understand personal responsibility.

I guess who and what we deem responsible and irresponsible is another topic for another time.

The point being is that not everyone fancies the Supreme Court at the moment, and a lot of these people vote. Some of them have not voted and others are this magical unicorn of "undecided" voters, a group of people who absolutely fascinate me and probably have incredible lives.

18% of Independents approve of how Biden is handling the student loan issue. 21% are split. 33% "don't know"

For the divide on the issue, there is also opportunity. This is one of a few issues involving SCOTUS that Democrats can run on in the next couple of months before the election. Interestingly enough, even people that don't favor student loan forgive also don't favor the Court overturning Biden's proposal. I think it could be done better, and I definitely agree that college should be more affordable and accessible. Also popular ideas among a majority of Americans.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[NDVirginia19]

I agree with this. I think the presidency and the courts have gotten waaaay drunk with power and congress has been all too happy to abdicate theirs.

Actually I completely refute that the court has become drunk with power. If anything, this court is using its rulings to weaken the executive branch and empower Congress back to constitutionally designed separation of powers (referring to overturning Chevron). Additionally, the court is undoing its own historic power grabs by overturning Roe v Wade as an example.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I guess who and what we deem responsible and irresponsible is another topic for another time.

The point being is that not everyone fancies the Supreme Court at the moment, and a lot of these people vote. Some of them have not voted and others are this magical unicorn of "undecided" voters, a group of people who absolutely fascinate me and probably have incredible lives.

18% of Independents approve of how Biden is handling the student loan issue. 21% are split. 33% "don't know"

For the divide on the issue, there is also opportunity. This is one of a few issues involving SCOTUS that Democrats can run on in the next couple of months before the election. Interestingly enough, even people that don't favor student loan forgive also don't favor the Court overturning Biden's proposal. I think it could be done better, and I definitely agree that college should be more affordable and accessible. Also popular ideas among a majority of Americans.

People largely don’t approve of the Supreme Court because they believe what they are told by their politicians and the media. For decades when Liberals dominated the court, republicans were unsatisfied with the court but never wanted to usurp the courts power by packing the court or unconstitutionally imposing term limits. Liberals lose the court for like five terms and all of a sudden start their non stop messaging campaign that the court is illegitimate/fascist/racist/subservient to Trump. Its incredibly damaging and irresponsible rhetoric and no wonder it affects public opinion.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Actually I completely refute that the court has become drunk with power. If anything, this court is using its rulings to weaken the executive branch and empower Congress back to constitutionally designed separation of powers (referring to overturning Chevron). Additionally, the court is undoing its own historic power grabs by overturning Roe v Wade as an example.

I agree with this minus weakening the executive branch. Three immunity ruling if anything only grants more power. I'm really curious as to why you think the executive branch has been weakened.

People largely don’t approve of the Supreme Court because they believe what they are told by their politicians and the media. For decades when Liberals dominated the court, republicans were unsatisfied with the court but never wanted to usurp the courts power by packing the court or unconstitutionally imposing term limits. Liberals lose the court for like five terms and all of a sudden start their non stop messaging campaign that the court is illegitimate/fascist/racist/subservient to Trump. Its incredibly damaging and irresponsible rhetoric and no wonder it affects public opinion.

And I feel must people don't approve of the court because of how Republicans handled Obama's nomination. That made the city politicized in the public eye. Unpopular rulings swayed even more opinions.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]