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This is where the Olympic committee would be smart to and Clark to the team.
Brink is a center and was on the 3 x 3 roster. She's not on Team USA.

The USWNT has won seven consecutive gold medals. Clark missing Paris this summer is going to be ok. Fully expect her to be on the team in 2028. Fully expect Angel Reese to be there too.
 

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Giddey barely played the last couple games in the playoffs against Dallas. Love the kid but his shooting isn't the greatest. Think Caruso is a better fit although older. Better shooter and defender. Trade not surprising as a Thunder fan.
 

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Giddey barely played the last couple games in the playoffs against Dallas. Love the kid but his shooting isn't the greatest. Think Caruso is a better fit although older. Better shooter and defender. Trade not surprising as a Thunder fan.
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Brink is a center and was on the 3 x 3 roster. She's not on Team USA.

The USWNT has won seven consecutive gold medals. Clark missing Paris this summer is going to be ok. Fully expect her to be on the team in 2028. Fully expect Angel Reese to be there too.
My bad. I thought I saw she was on the team. If they do lose someone, regardless of the position, they would be smart to add her simply for the ratings boost.
 

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My bad. I thought I saw she was on the team. If they do lose someone, regardless of the position, they would be smart to add her simply for the ratings boost.
If she is added to the Olympic team, people will watch.
If people watch, they will want to see her play.
People will be pissed when she doesn't play at all or plays very little.
More time would be spent talking about Clark, who would probably not be playing much, than talking about the players who were getting the bulk of the minutes.

I tend to agree that leaving Clark off the roster this year is probably best for all parties involved. Does she probably deserve a spot? I'm assuming yes, but I don't really know. I understand why Clark would be mad/disappointed. I would be if I was her. But in reality, this may be best for her as well. She will have plenty of opportunities in the future.
 

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If she is added to the Olympic team, people will watch.
If people watch, they will want to see her play.
People will be pissed when she doesn't play at all or plays very little.
More time would be spent talking about Clark, who would probably not be playing much, than talking about the players who were getting the bulk of the minutes.

I tend to agree that leaving Clark off the roster this year is probably best for all parties involved. Does she probably deserve a spot? I'm assuming yes, but I don't really know. I understand why Clark would be mad/disappointed. I would be if I was her. But in reality, this may be best for her as well. She will have plenty of opportunities in the future.
I know sports have changed but it just seems wrong to chose someone for the Olympics based on ratings. I don’t know the women’s game enough to comment on if she belongs solely on ability.
 

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I know sports have changed but it just seems wrong to chose someone for the Olympics based on ratings. I don’t know the women’s game enough to comment on if she belongs solely on ability.
I really don't care if she is on it or not, but given the media attention when she didn't make it, it would seem a smart move if a spot opens up. I'm not inclined to dig into stats, but when they were discussing Clark not making the team, it was mentioned there was one or two (Taurasi & Gray?) on the team who's stats aren't nearly as good as Clark's.
 

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If she is added to the Olympic team, people will watch.
If people watch, they will want to see her play.
People will be pissed when she doesn't play at all or plays very little.
More time would be spent talking about Clark, who would probably not be playing much, than talking about the players who were getting the bulk of the minutes.

I tend to agree that leaving Clark off the roster this year is probably best for all parties involved. Does she probably deserve a spot? I'm assuming yes, but I don't really know. I understand why Clark would be mad/disappointed. I would be if I was her. But in reality, this may be best for her as well. She will have plenty of opportunities in the future.
Doesn't the Women's team have a history of winning big? There could be ample playing time available. Given she went directly from the NCAA tournament to playing in the WNBA, not being on the team would afford her some time to rest and work on getting stronger.
 

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My bad. I thought I saw she was on the team. If they do lose someone, regardless of the position, they would be smart to add her simply for the ratings boost.
They could.

I'd add the best player available so to win another Gold medal, but that's the overly competitive person in me who isn't cashing checks for millions of dollars, so I'm probably not the best authority when it comes to that.
 

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Doesn't the Women's team have a history of winning big? There could be ample playing time available. Given she went directly from the NCAA tournament to playing in the WNBA, not being on the team would afford her some time to rest and work on getting stronger.
Here was Skylar's minutes from the last Olympics as one of the last players off the bench. If Clark would get similar minutes, I think it's best if she isn't on the team.

Game 1 = 2
Game 2 = 0
Game 3 = 6
Game 4 = 14
Game 5 = 9
Game 6 = 1
 

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I know sports have changed but it just seems wrong to chose someone for the Olympics based on ratings. I don’t know the women’s game enough to comment on if she belongs solely on ability.
When you are dying for ratings you make a business decision

I’ve tried to watch and be a fan but the players and league are getting in their own way. It also shows how divided we are as a country. I’m sure Tiger Woods got some hate but he was largely accepted, he was great for business. Script is flipped and they legit hate the girl.
 

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Caitlin Clark's cool but all this debate is simply Arike Ogunbowale erasure.
 

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When you are dying for ratings you make a business decision

I’ve tried to watch and be a fan but the players and league are getting in their own way. It also shows how divided we are as a country. I’m sure Tiger Woods got some hate but he was largely accepted, he was great for business. Script is flipped and they legit hate the girl.
I understand but I just don't think the goal of the Olympic Committee should be making the WNBA's ratings better. It should be about who is deserving and what makes the best team.

I don't really think the Clark situation has any bearing on how divided our country is. I think how people view the situation shows the division. To me, it combines things we've seen for years in sports. Money, media love, competitive individuals, and a player who has never proven anything at the highest level. You have the high profile rookie who is getting all the media love, entering a league where she's making 100x the amount of money in endorsements as the highest paid player in the WNBA. That is the root of the jealousy.

We used to see this more before the NBA and NFL went to sliding rookie scales. Previous to that, the rookie quarterback was sometimes the highest paid player on the team. I remember the Pippen/Kukoc animosity when the Bulls paid Kukoc more than they were paying Pippen. You're probably right on the Woods situation. There was some hate. The biggest difference between the Clark situation and ones we've seen on the men's side is all those players, golfers, etc... were still making millions of dollars. Clark is making tens of millions while the average salary in the league is less than $150k. That breeds a lot of jealousy from the players.
 

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I understand but I just don't think the goal of the Olympic Committee should be making the WNBA's ratings better. It should be about who is deserving and what makes the best team.

I don't really think the Clark situation has any bearing on how divided our country is. I think how people view the situation shows the division. To me, it combines things we've seen for years in sports. Money, media love, competitive individuals, and a player who has never proven anything at the highest level. You have the high profile rookie who is getting all the media love, entering a league where she's making 100x the amount of money in endorsements as the highest paid player in the WNBA. That is the root of the jealousy.

We used to see this more before the NBA and NFL went to sliding rookie scales. Previous to that, the rookie quarterback was sometimes the highest paid player on the team. I remember the Pippen/Kukoc animosity when the Bulls paid Kukoc more than they were paying Pippen. You're probably right on the Woods situation. There was some hate. The biggest difference between the Clark situation and ones we've seen on the men's side is all those players, golfers, etc... were still making millions of dollars. Clark is making tens of millions while the average salary in the league is less than $150k. That breeds a lot of jealousy from the players.
Bingo. Not the world we live in, but this is pretty spot on.

The WNBA existed before Caitlin Clark and the league has very good veteran players in it who deserve to be on the Olympic team ahead of her based purely on basketball skill and experience. Bottom line.
 

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I understand but I just don't think the goal of the Olympic Committee should be making the WNBA's ratings better. It should be about who is deserving and what makes the best team.
I doubt they select to benefit the WNBA, but it wouldn't be to make the WNBA ratings better, but the viewing of the Women's Olympic teams games. The WNBA takes a break during the Olympics, but I could see this having a residual effect for the WNBA after the Olympics. With NBC paying large sums of money for the broadcast rights, I would guess some top person at NBC might make a suggestion about adding Clark.
 

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The next Sky vs Fever game isn't until August 30th.

They've all been quite fun so far.
 

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The next Sky vs Fever game isn't until August 30th.

They've all been quite fun so far.
Do you think the WNBA would be slightly better if the teams were part of NBA clubs, like you see in English soccer? I have no history with the names Sky and Fever and really don’t know where either play. At least with women’s college sports I have a built in reason to root for all the Notre Dame teams (and detest all the Michigan teams). I would find it much more appealing if I could root for the Lady Celtics or watch the Lakerettes lose.
 

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Do you think the WNBA would be slightly better if the teams were part of NBA clubs, like you see in English soccer? I have no history with the names Sky and Fever and really don’t know where either play. At least with women’s college sports I have a built in reason to root for all the Notre Dame teams (and detest all the Michigan teams). I would find it much more appealing if I could root for the Lady Celtics or watch the Lakerettes lose.
I think that works since ratings through the roof. I was watching the Olympic trials yesterday and saw some chick from Colorado beat another chick from Notre Dame in one of the heptathlon events. I found it very easy to root for the young lady from Notre Dame with no history or context behind who this person even was.
 

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Do you think the WNBA would be slightly better if the teams were part of NBA clubs, like you see in English soccer? I have no history with the names Sky and Fever and really don’t know where either play. At least with women’s college sports I have a built in reason to root for all the Notre Dame teams (and detest all the Michigan teams). I would find it much more appealing if I could root for the Lady Celtics or watch the Lakerettes lose.
Womens sports have (rightly) gotten away from the "Lady Celtics" type names (old enough to remember when college teams were sometimes referred to that way). They don't call the womens soccer teams in Europe like the Ladies of Liverpool, do they?
But, yes, if there were a WNBA team in Boston that was also called the Celtics, it would probably benefit from a built-in natural fanbase (not to mention marketing and facilities and such).
That said, the relationship between the NBA and the WNBA has kind of been a saga. About half the WNBA teams share ownership with NBA teams, not everyone thinks that's a great model. I dunno.
 

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Do you think the WNBA would be slightly better if the teams were part of NBA clubs, like you see in English soccer? I have no history with the names Sky and Fever and really don’t know where either play. At least with women’s college sports I have a built in reason to root for all the Notre Dame teams (and detest all the Michigan teams). I would find it much more appealing if I could root for the Lady Celtics or watch the Lakerettes lose.
I'm not sure, but I'd rather not see it go that route.

Or if it goes, keep Jerry Reinsdorf the fuck away from the Chicago Sky, please.
 

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Womens sports have (rightly) gotten away from the "Lady Celtics" type names (old enough to remember when college teams were sometimes referred to that way). They don't call the womens soccer teams in Europe like the Ladies of Liverpool, do they?
But, yes, if there were a WNBA team in Boston that was also called the Celtics, it would probably benefit from a built-in natural fanbase (not to mention marketing and facilities and such).
That said, the relationship between the NBA and the WNBA has kind of been a saga. About half the WNBA teams share ownership with NBA teams, not everyone thinks that's a great model. I dunno.

They do add the word "Women" to the name in the Women's Super League.

 

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Womens sports have (rightly) gotten away from the "Lady Celtics" type names (old enough to remember when college teams were sometimes referred to that way). They don't call the womens soccer teams in Europe like the Ladies of Liverpool, do they?
But, yes, if there were a WNBA team in Boston that was also called the Celtics, it would probably benefit from a built-in natural fanbase (not to mention marketing and facilities and such).
That said, the relationship between the NBA and the WNBA has kind of been a saga. About half the WNBA teams share ownership with NBA teams, not everyone thinks that's a great model. I dunno.
IIRC the NBA was the primary driver in creating the WNBA. Each team provided money to support their WNBA team.

I could be wrong, but I believe the only teams not affiliated with an NBA team are those in cities with no NBA team like Connecticut and Las Vegas.

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IIRC the NBA was the primary driver in creating the WNBA. Each team provided money to support their WNBA team.

I could be wrong, but I believe the only teams not affiliated with an NBA team are those in cities with no NBA team like Connecticut and Las Vegas.

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Yeah the NBA originally launched the WNBA, then they sold the teams individually, in some cases to NBA team owners, in some cases to others. Today about half the WNBA teams are owned by people who own NBA teams, but it's not as clear-cut as "if they're in the same city, they're affiliated." Atlanta and Chicago's WNBA teams, for instance, aren't owned by the owners of the Hawks and Bulls.
 

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It’s weird how much power/influence the Lakers have given Lebron. He’s no longer the player he once was and he’s not really an all time Laker great. He obviously won a title there but that’s not enough for a franchise like the Lakers to be put on the level of Magic, West, Kareem, Shaq, Kobe, etc…

As a Celtics fan I’m good with his role as pseudo GM. Will probably be an early exit again next year. The plus side is it will give him and his crew more time to look up MJ’s old stats.
 

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Bronny ending up with the Lakers! Stevie Wonder saw that coming from a mile away.
 
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