'25 NJ CB Jahmir Joseph (Penn St Verbal)

[Rocketman84]

Hard to argue with that. But, Golden at DB (particularly at nickel), gives ND likely the best athlete they've had at the position in a long time.

Since Bell last year🤷

 

[ND7983]

Since Bell last year🤷

Bell was just fast, but wasn’t near the athlete as Golden is. Bell was a track guy learning football. Golden is a 5 Star talent at football.

 

[Rocketman84]

Bell was just fast, but wasn’t near the athlete as Golden is. Bell was a track guy learning football. Golden is a 5 Star talent at football.

He's more than just fast and their both 4* talents. Golden has shined brighter on offense at the Prep level and Bell was even more electric on offense and special teams than Golden. Golden looked better and more instinctual in the secondary. Athleticism leans to Bell by far.

 

[ND7983]

He's more than just fast and they’re both 4* talents. Golden has shined brighter on offense at the Prep level and Bell was even more electric on offense and special teams than Golden. Golden looked better and more instinctual in the secondary. Athleticism leans to Bell by far.

I can’t even waste time going into how dumb this is.
Bell was not a 4 Star talent. He was a 3 Star football talent. Golden is a 5 Star football talent.
Have you seen Golden turn his hips, jump, run laterally? Athleticism is way more than speed. Saying Bell has more “by far” shows you understand nothing about football.

There is a reason Bell got passed up by everyone at ND & left. There is a reason Bell wasnt highly recruited. There is a reason Bell transferred to Vanderbilt. In this day and age, with the transfer portal & money being spent, decent players are getting paid by big time programs to transfer. He ended up at Vanderbilt for free.
Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Clemson, FSU, UF, Miami, Ohio St, Michigan, PSU, A&M, Texas, USC, Oregon, and 21 other P4 teams recruited Golden.
ND’s biggest competition for Bell was Baylor & Houston.

 

[NDpendent]

I wish we had half the talent at WR this cycle as we do with the DBs

 

[arrowryan]

I wish we had half the talent at WR this cycle as we do with the DBs

Comparing it to the DB class, you could say that for most of the positions.

 

[arrowryan]

That is correct however there is no position group that we are struggling with as much as the WR group

I guess I see it differently. I think the wide receiver group on the roster is trending up. Closing with Meadows, Hines, and Hall would be great.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Why can't Golden play both ways?

 

[ND7983]

I guess I see it differently. I think the wide receiver group on the roster is trending up. Closing with Meadows, Hines, and Hall would be great.

I think if you change out Meadows for Robinson, I think that will be the class.

I think the class will have four 4 Stars when all is said & done. Bettis being the only 3 Star.

 

[a mike]

I can’t even waste time going into how dumb this is.

Yeah I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt--but that take right there outs him as a covert troll

He's just wanting attention/engagement so will continue to up the ante with more and more purposely unpopular takes, even ones he doesn't even believe

Will inevitably crash and burn

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Also, what message board fans don’t realize, is kids develop relationships with coaches. Golden committed to play for Mickens. Obviously, things happen, but you can’t switch the position you recruited him at before he even gets to ND.

This and....so much more. So much much more. Enough to fill a warehouse more. A lot.

 

[Rocketman84]

I can’t even waste time going into how dumb this is.
Bell was not a 4 Star talent. He was a 3 Star football talent. Golden is a 5 Star football talent.
Have you seen Golden turn his hips, jump, run laterally? Athleticism is way more than speed. Saying Bell has more “by far” shows you understand nothing about football.

There is a reason Bell got passed up by everyone at ND & left. There is a reason Bell wasnt highly recruited. There is a reason Bell transferred to Vanderbilt. In this day and age, with the transfer portal & money being spent, decent players are getting paid by big time programs to transfer. He ended up at Vanderbilt for free.
Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Clemson, FSU, UF, Miami, Ohio St, Michigan, PSU, A&M, Texas, USC, Oregon, and 21 other P4 teams recruited Golden.
ND’s biggest competition for Bell was Baylor & Houston.

He was absolutely a 4* talent, and I've seen the way both of them did all of those things hence it's way they both played on both sides of the ball because of their athleticism and talent. Speed is also apart of your athletic profile and he does have far more than Golden, that's just the facts. Furthermore Bell wasnt passed up as he was going to be the nickelback this year and was the best CB in the Spring game if you paid attention. His transfer had nothing to do with playing time since he was going to be on the field quite a bit this season as the 3rd CB, but because Vandy is going to let him play both ways at WR/CB. He also had offers from Georgia, Oregon, TAMU, Texas, Baykor, Michigan, LSU, TCU, Stanford and Harvard! Alit more diverse due to his high academic background and track profile. Just do your homework!
I won't even bother going into knowing about Football with some couch potato who knows nothing about playing on both sides of the ball at ANY level, nor playing against the likes of Notre Dame in a Gator Bowl, but I digress.

Back to your remote and couch you go

 

[Irish Man3]

He was absolutely a 4* talent, and I've seen the way both of them did all of those things hence it's way they both played on both sides of the ball because of their athleticism and talent. Speed is also apart of your athletic profile and he does have far more than Golden, that's just the facts. Furthermore Bell wasnt passed up as he was going to be the nickelback this year and was the best CB in the Spring game if you paid attention. His transfer had nothing to do with playing time since he was going to be on the field quite a bit this season as the 3rd CB, but because Vandy is going to let him play both ways at WR/CB. He also had offers from Georgia, Oregon, TAMU, Texas, Baykor, Michigan, LSU, TCU, Stanford and Harvard! Alit more diverse due to his high academic background and track profile. Just do your homework!
I won't even bother going into knowing about Football with some couch potato who knows nothing about playing on both sides of the ball at ANY level, nor playing against the likes of Notre Dame in a Gator Bowl, but I digress.

Back to your remote and couch you go

Not sure why there’s so much hostility in your post but it’s also full of inaccurate info and opinion, not fact.

Look at what DBs did and didn’t play in the spring game before giving off the false narrative that he outplayed regular starters. He was in no way the third best DB on the roster. B-Mo, Mickey, and Grey are all far and above Bell. The only reason Vandy tossed out the idea of him playing both sides of the ball, is because they don’t have the NIL funds to play the transfer game (which he was offered none of btw).

Bell was absolutely being passed up and there were no indications from ND staff that he was set to be the starting nickel. Jaiden Ausberry was not playing the position he was playing in the spring game by accident. The fact that ND was searching for additions to the position via the portal is also telling. They also have two more incoming freshman that weren’t available in the spring.

It’s clear that Bell has more straight line speed than Golden but it’s also clear that Golden has better instincts and far better short area quickness and acceleration. Both great athletes in their own way.

 

[Irishokie]

Why can't Golden play both ways?

Because we aren’t Colorado

 

[Rocketman84]

Not sure why there’s so much hostility in your post but it’s also full of inaccurate info and opinion, not fact.

Look at what DBs did and didn’t play in the spring game before giving off the false narrative that he outplayed regular starters. He was in no way the third best DB on the roster. B-Mo, Mickey, and Grey are all far and above Bell. The only reason Vandy tossed out the idea of him playing both sides of the ball, is because they don’t have the NIL funds to play the transfer game (which he was offered none of btw).

Bell was absolutely being passed up and there were no indications from ND staff that he was set to be the starting nickel. Jaiden Ausberry was not playing the position he was playing in the spring game by accident. The fact that ND was searching for additions to the position via the portal is also telling. They also have two more incoming freshman that weren’t available in the spring.

It’s clear that Bell has more straight line speed than Golden but it’s also clear that Golden has better instincts and far better short area quickness and acceleration. Both great athletes in their own way.

Inaccurate info but plenty of sources back up my info and then you spew a bunch of inaccurate things, I didn't say he was the 3rd BEST CB (I'd say 4th and he was 2/3 in the Spring game) I said he was in position to be the nickel (3rd or 4th) and he did a good job in the Spring game while playing boundary when he is more of a field CB.

Vandy not having NIL funds would also be inaccurate. He felt he was better on offense (I did as well) so getting to showcase his athleticism and speed was a big thing for him with the ball in his hands. Once again you assume I said he was starting, I said he was in position for the spot which he absolutely was and you can look at comments from earlier in the Spring that state as much. ND was looking in the portal because the had deflections and the secondary usually has a few injuries during the season so you like to be about 6-7 deep at CB if you can and 5-6 deep at Safety, no news there it's just College Football.

Comparing him and Golden us the most asinine of all it's no debate he has better straightline speed as he was the Fastest on the entire team, he also had the fastest acceleration Golden wouldn't even be Top 3 on the team next year. Golden has quick feet, short area quickness and tremendous instincts but the only thing he has on Bell is instincts and lateral movement, Bell has superior athleticism has in any combine setting he will best Golden in pretty much every test. In camp settings Golden wins 60-40.

They both had great offers and were 4* players, I preferred Bell on offense and ST while Golden I like as a CB or Slot guy. Both are very good athletes in their own rights, agreed, but Bell is just a better one.

 

[TorontoGold]

Inaccurate info but plenty of sources back up my info and then you spew a bunch of inaccurate things, I didn't say he was the 3rd BEST CB (I'd say 4th and he was 2/3 in the Spring game) I said he was in position to be the nickel (3rd or 4th) and he did a good job in the Spring game while playing boundary when he is more of a field CB.

Vandy not having NIL funds would also be inaccurate. He felt he was better on offense (I did as well) so getting to showcase his athleticism and speed was a big thing for him with the ball in his hands. Once again you assume I said he was starting, I said he was in position for the spot which he absolutely was and you can look at comments from earlier in the Spring that state as much. ND was looking in the portal because the had deflections and the secondary usually has a few injuries during the season so you like to be about 6-7 deep at CB if you can and 5-6 deep at Safety, no news there it's just College Football.

Comparing him and Golden us the most asinine of all it's no debate he has better straightline speed as he was the Fastest on the entire team, he also had the fastest acceleration Golden wouldn't even be Top 3 on the team next year. Golden has quick feet, short area quickness and tremendous instincts but the only thing he has on Bell is instincts and lateral movement, Bell has superior athleticism has in any combine setting he will best Golden in pretty much every test. In camp settings Golden wins 60-40.

They both had great offers and were 4* players, I preferred Bell on offense and ST while Golden I like as a CB or Slot guy. Both are very good athletes in their own rights, agreed, but Bell is just a better one.

Which sources?

 

[Irish Man3]

Which sources?

That’s a great question…because nothing he’s saying (while being over the top hostile to another poster) is accurate. Inaccurate enough that he’s back tracking on his original post. From “best cb in the spring game” to 2/3 in the spring game. From 3rd corner to 4th corner.

Saying that Bell is more of a field corner tells me just how “knowledgeable” you are about college football you are, or aren’t.

Every school has NIL funds, nobody said otherwise. Vandy isn’t winning over 4 and 5* caliber recruits with upfront NIL deposits, which was the point.

It’s odd that you keep bringing up that Bell thought he was better suited for the offensive side of the ball, despite being recruited to play defense by ND, and bypassing multiple opportunities to transfer out while playing defense at ND. Up until of course, he was passed up and saw the writing on the wall.

But please, carry on with your sources and infinite college football knowledge while calling out other posters.

 

[Denny]

CB to Penn State from Dohn.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I've been out of this recruitment. Is this essentially ND vs PSU picking between Blair and Joseph?

 

[NDBUTCH]

I've been out of this recruitment. Is this essentially ND vs PSU picking between Blair and Joseph?

Blair is a safety. Joseph a CB. Joseph seemed like overkill unless someone else was shaky.

Micah Bell was a relic of past ND CB recruiting. Take a track guy and hope that they develop. Sometimes you luck up and get an Allen Rossum. More often you get a Dwight Ellick.

 

[BobbyMac]

Blair is a safety. Joseph a CB. Joseph seemed like overkill unless someone else was shaky.

Micah Bell was a relic of past ND CB recruiting. Take a track guy and hope that they develop. Sometimes you luck up and get an Allen Rossum. More often you get a Dwight Ellick.

Who were the Bell level track guys with little DB production in HS that BK brought in?

 

[BobbyMac]

I've been out of this recruitment. Is this essentially ND vs PSU picking between Blair and Joseph?

Yes on ND's part. It's a DB numbers game for the Irish.

PSU would take both

 

[Rocketman84]

Im not backtracking on anything, he was the best CB in the "Spring game" and the 4th best on the roster. Some players didn't play in the Spring game if you watched or didn't watch. He played both boundary and field corner in the Spring game and looked good at both but played more snaps on the field side. (That wasn't my personal opinion) I won't nor will I ever bother entertaining "knowledge" of a game I played up until 26 years of age 😆😆.

The poster clearly said "Vandy doesn’t have NIL funds to play the transfer game" but yet they picked up three 4* recruits which is solid for them. Every school isn't landing nor do they need to land 5* recruits to be successful (ask scUM,1~5* from 2020-23). We should know of all people because 5* haven't flocked to ND either regardless of your so called NIL deposits, but then some will say we don't play that game either right?

Bell thinking he was more of an offensive player simply stems from the fact it's the side he was most familiar with (played defense 1.5 years) and has had the most success with so far in life. I think he should've been used as a return guy/gadget guy all along but the lack of speed in the secondary prior to him signing was a big reason for them to push him to that side.

Please carry on with your extensive knowledge of wheelchair quarterbacking and AD management.

That’s a great question…because nothing he’s saying (while being over the top hostile to another poster) is accurate. Inaccurate enough that he’s back tracking on his original post. From “best cb in the spring game” to 2/3 in the spring game. From 3rd corner to 4th corner.

Saying that Bell is more of a field corner tells me just how “knowledgeable” you are about college football you are, or aren’t.

Every school has NIL funds, nobody said otherwise. Vandy isn’t winning over 4 and 5* caliber recruits with upfront NIL deposits, which was the point.

It’s odd that you keep bringing up that Bell thought he was better suited for the offensive side of the ball, despite being recruited to play defense by ND, and bypassing multiple opportunities to transfer out while playing defense at ND. Up until of course, he was passed up and saw the writing on the wall.

But please, carry on with your sources and infinite college football knowledge while calling out other posters.

 

[Rocketman84]

Who were the Bell level track guys with little DB production in HS that BK brought in?

Atkinson would probably be the closest because Pride was a STUD

 

[BobbyMac]

Atkinson would probably be the closest because Pride was a STUD

And Josh wouldn't have ended up at ND if not for his brother.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

It’s so incredibly sad to think about the Atkinson brothers and what they went through. Just an important reminder to everyone that mental health is just as important as physical health.

 

[BobbyMac]

 

[calvegas04]

ehh... can Buchner play CB?

 

[CanadalovesND]

PSU and Natty don't quite fit together in the same sentence.

But, I'm sure he will turn into a solid player at Penn State.

 

[ColinKSU]

PSU and Natty don't quite fit together in the same sentence.

But, I'm sure he will turn into a solid player at Penn State.

I’m sure he’ll turn into a solid player there, but he’ll never finish higher than fifth in the conference during his time at PSU.