'25 MO OT Jack Lange (Mizzou Verbal)

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a mike said:
Probably just what Strebig mom told him

No shade--because I think he's pretty solid with evals, etc--but I'd find it hard to believe that he has a plug at ND

Lives all the way on east coast and has only been working the beat for a minute
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It as been the consensus with everyone on the beat, not just Roberts
 
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PutuporShutup said:
You must not have been at the stanford game in 2022 or at the clemson game in 2023. I admit, i'll take 8-4 in 2022 after the start we had so for sure i'll give him credit for that.

There's no doubt freeman has the team very well prepared for big games at home to not be intimidated, but man if you don't think we played soft in 2022 vs stanford and USC or in 2023 at Louisville or at Clemson, not sure what to say. The lack of intensity at clemson was really embarrassing on a beautiful day with a great opposing full house crowd.
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I don't think either were examples of lacking mental toughness.

Those had more to do with offenses that couldn't execute at a high enough level, consistently leaving the defense hung out to dry.

Against Stanford, Drew Pyne had far and away his worst game of the year. He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat that night. Capped off by a couple back-breaking and poorly timed turnovers and generally poor play calling from Rees.

Against USC, ND was missing 2 of their best defensive backs in a game they absolutely could not afford to be missing them, against the best QB in college football and he was on that night. That was a game where the offense needed to keep pace and cash in on opportunities, and while Pyne and the offense had a good statistical game, they failed to convert when it mattered. Again, that's more of poor execution than they simply lacked mental toughness.

Same thing in 2023. Louisville was a situation where the defense was mentally and physically exhausted after 8 consecutive weeks, 3 straight prime time games against undefeated opponents, 2 of which were on the road. The defense had to do everything in their power to hold things down, because, like 2022, the offense struggled immensely. Clemson was much of the same. Defense was holding it down, while the offense continued to execute poorly and the play calling left much to be desired.

I don't think the offense struggled because they weren't mentally tough. I think they struggled because they just weren't very good. Talent was definitely a problem at receiver and to some extent on the interior of the OL, and combine with a struggling QB and inexperienced and struggling play caller, that's not usually going to net you good results in games that matter.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
I don't think either were examples of lacking mental toughness.

Those had more to do with offenses that couldn't execute at a high enough level, consistently leaving the defense hung out to dry.

Against Stanford, Drew Pyne had far and away his worst game of the year. He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat that night. Capped off by a couple back-breaking and poorly timed turnovers and generally poor play calling from Rees.

Against USC, ND was missing 2 of their best defensive backs in a game they absolutely could not afford to be missing them, against the best QB in college football and he was on that night. That was a game where the offense needed to keep pace and cash in on opportunities, and while Pyne and the offense had a good statistical game, they failed to convert when it mattered. Again, that's more of poor execution than they simply lacked mental toughness.

Same thing in 2023. Louisville was a situation where the defense was mentally and physically exhausted after 8 consecutive weeks, 3 straight prime time games against undefeated opponents, 2 of which were on the road. The defense had to do everything in their power to hold things down, because, like 2022, the offense struggled immensely. Clemson was much of the same. Defense was holding it down, while the offense continued to execute poorly and the play calling left much to be desired.

I don't think the offense struggled because they weren't mentally tough. I think they struggled because they just weren't very good. Talent was definitely a problem at receiver and to some extent on the interior of the OL, and combine with a struggling QB and inexperienced and struggling play caller, that's not usually going to net you good results in games that matter.
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Those teams had a good bit of success running the ball against us when we needed stops.

I think you just spent 5 paragraphs making excuses for their lack of toughness
 
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I like Augustine alot and want him Irish but that said he's not at the same level as Lange, Strebig and Black.

IMO Black will be in the mix for being one of these OL if not the best when its all said and done.

If ND got all 4, Black and Lange are OT. Strebig and Augustine are guys that can and are better suited to move inside if necessary.

Strebig is too good not to play but with the other OT I see him moving inside to get PT. I honestly think he could become a bigger version of Q.
 
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Ricochet said:
I like Augustine alot and want him Irish but that said he's not at the same level as Lange, Strebig and Black.

IMO Black will be in the mix for being one of these OL if not the best when its all said and done.

If ND got all 4, Black and Lange are OT. Strebig and Augustine are guys that can and are better suited to move inside if necessary.

Strebig is too good not to play but with the other OT I see him moving inside to get PT. I honestly think he could become a bigger version of Q.
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Sorry. Nobody is Q. Q is a once in a generation college interior offensive lineman
 
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IrishLax said:
The whole idea of "limiting spots" in the era of the portal + insta eligiblity is beyond dumb. You should take every single guy that you reasonably believe could be an NFL player and let underperforming upperclassmen head elsewhere as they naturally will.
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I agree, especially when we tend to take a few too many whom you can't reasonably believe will be solid contributors for us let alone NFL players.
 
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It's February. Even if the staff feels one more would hit their number of players at the position, you continue to recruit a stud like Lange.

Chances are good another player will shake loose between now and next season.
 
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Ricochet said:
I like Augustine alot and want him Irish but that said he's not at the same level as Lange, Strebig and Black.

IMO Black will be in the mix for being one of these OL if not the best when its all said and done.

If ND got all 4, Black and Lange are OT. Strebig and Augustine are guys that can and are better suited to move inside if necessary.

Strebig is too good not to play but with the other OT I see him moving inside to get PT. I honestly think he could become a bigger version of Q.
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Strebig is 6-8 … pretty tall to play guard.
 
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ISD has free article up on him--SIAP

Looks like there's still room for him at The Inn

Can't believe IB's intel was wrong. They're usually spot on

I'm just gonna go ahead and pencil him into the class at this point. The competition is kinda weak outside of Michigan and some rando's mixed in there like Ole Miss

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a mike said:
ISD has free article up on him--SIAP

Looks like there's still room for him at The Inn

Can't believe IB's intel was wrong. They're usually spot on

I'm just gonna go ahead and pencil him into the class at this point. The competition is kinda weak outside of Michigan and some rando's mixed in there like Ole Miss

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Wisconsin 247 reporters saying their staff is "crushing" it with him. So they should probably at least be considered as competition.
 
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a mike said:
ISD has free article up on him--SIAP

Looks like there's still room for him at The Inn

Can't believe IB's intel was wrong. They're usually spot on

I'm just gonna go ahead and pencil him into the class at this point. The competition is kinda weak outside of Michigan and some rando's mixed in there like Ole Miss

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Didn’t someone say Kelly put a prediction in for Lange yesterday? Source off!
 
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