Trump Presidency

[ab2cmiller]

This is a tired trope.

I'm not a Trump guy. Hes said he'd match NATO funding to Ukraine lol. A rationale person would view this as a threat to NATO to uphold commitments if they want the US involved.

If he's owned by Putin...someone will have to explain why Ukraine got invaded over two years after he left office.

Agreed. I will never vote for Trump, but he was obviously using hyperbole just to make his point.

 

[mango4]

Biggest red flag that he is owned by putin

Imagine Trump being hard on someone that doesn’t pay…

 

[calvegas04]

Imagine Trump being hard on someone that doesn’t pay…

But he is cool supporting and giving billions to Israel is different than supporting Ukraine?

 

[calvegas04]

 

[GATTACA!]

Can’t wait to hear Bobby hand wave this one away.

 

[calvegas04]

 

[ab2cmiller]

It was 4 years ago, but still funny.

 

[RDU Irish]

Do you guys seriously think the main objection to Trump is “mean tweets”?

Look, everyone lives in some sort of bubble with biases that color their way of thinking. Mine is traditional conservatives with money. They hate woke stuff, they voted for Trump in the first election, they did not vote for him the second time and under no circumstances will they vote for him this time. Why? Because they’d rather deal with some liberal as President than a chaos agent who might burn everything to the ground.

There is a major disconnect between normal suburban voters who overwhelmingly broke for Biden and won him the election… and what people who spend too much time online think a Biden voter looks like.

Those folks are largely threatened by the conservative tilt to the Supreme Court. Whereas I see that as the #1 reason to vote for Trump in 2016 which he proceeded to actually keep a campaign promise to pull from his pre-election list. Suburbs don't do the army so probably don't care as much about forever wars cascading into WW3, that shit is for the poors.

Your "conservatives with money" sound a whole lot more like uniparty eunuchs to me.

 

[RDU Irish]

Yeah, I’ve played that game when I was younger…voting for the lesser of two evils. Fuck that shit. They’re offering me the choice between a bowl of shit & a shit sandwich. Either way the voter eats shit. Sorry, I refuse. And at the end of the day, regardless which one wins; they along w/ Congress will still leave the border wide open, still push ‘forever wars’, still fuck the middle class & all get wealthy doing it. I’m tired of it. I’ll continue to vote local where change can actually be seen & elected officials can be held accountable. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll vote for someone for POTUS, just not either those two POS.

South Park's Giant Douche vs. Turd Sandwich was 20 years ago - this has always been the way.

At least on two issues Trump is gives you the best chance in generations - the border and forever wars. Only president to not start a war in forever and you still hate him. He brought the border to the forefront really campaigning on it with some improvements if for no other reason than the megaphone yelling at illegals to stay away. You can say Trump spent too much but you can't say he didn't support law enforcement and border patrol. It's just sad that people are so objectively turned off by his persona that they not only refuse to credit where it is due but project all of DC's failures onto him. Horribly flawed jackass sure.

 

[NorthDakota]

South Park's Giant Douche vs. Turd Sandwich was 20 years ago - this has always been the way.

At least on two issues Trump is gives you the best chance in generations - the border and forever wars. Only president to not start a war in forever and you still hate him. He brought the border to the forefront really campaigning on it with some improvements if for no other reason than the megaphone yelling at illegals to stay away. You can say Trump spent too much but you can't say he didn't support law enforcement and border patrol. It's just sad that people are so objectively turned off by his persona that they not only refuse to credit where it is due but project all of DC's failures onto him. Horribly flawed jackass sure.

Giant turd doesn't have to be the way. We can get back to relatively normal candidates if voters choose.

DeSantis or (to a more unrealistic extent) Haley were the options for the GOP this cycle. One need not agree with them on everything to know you'd trust them to handle the nuclear codes ND probably implement some of their agenda when possible.

Dems had their shot at offering that in 2020 and missed the boat badly because the Obama era destroyed their bench of candidates. So they got stuck with the current guy. Luckily for them, Trump returned the favor moving forward. But the GOP has a pretty good bench built for the post-Don environment I think. (Ron, Kemp, Youngkin).

The country does show signs of fracturing I think. I doubt secession will result. Just ineffective government that yo-yo's.

 

[GATTACA!]

Giant turd doesn't have to be the way. We can get back to relatively normal candidates if voters choose.

DeSantis or (to a more unrealistic extent) Haley were the options for the GOP this cycle. One need not agree with them on everything to know you'd trust them to handle the nuclear codes ND probably implement some of their agenda when possible.

Dems had their shot at offering that in 2020 and missed the boat badly because the Obama era destroyed their bench of candidates. So they got stuck with the current guy. Luckily for them, Trump returned the favor moving forward. But the GOP has a pretty good bench built for the post-Don environment I think. (Ron, Kemp, Youngkin).

The country does show signs of fracturing I think. I doubt secession will result. Just ineffective government that yo-yo's.

Ron isn’t going be a thing. No one likes him.

 

[GoIrish41]

Ron isn’t going be a thing. No one likes him.

The elevator shoe industry stands tall with DeSantis.

 

[calvegas04]

South Park's Giant Douche vs. Turd Sandwich was 20 years ago - this has always been the way.

At least on two issues Trump is gives you the best chance in generations - the border and forever wars. Only president to not start a war in forever and you still hate him. He brought the border to the forefront really campaigning on it with some improvements if for no other reason than the megaphone yelling at illegals to stay away. You can say Trump spent too much but you can't say he didn't support law enforcement and border patrol. It's just sad that people are so objectively turned off by his persona that they not only refuse to credit where it is due but project all of DC's failures onto him. Horribly flawed jackass sure.

Which wars did the US declare over the past 3 years?

 

[GoIrish41]

Which wars did the US declare over the past 3 years?

The war on Christmas still rages in the hearts of the woke. 😂

 

[NorthDakota]

Ron isn’t going be a thing. No one likes him.

He has the highest net favorability in the party.

 

[Bluto]

South Park's Giant Douche vs. Turd Sandwich was 20 years ago - this has always been the way.

At least on two issues Trump is gives you the best chance in generations - the border and forever wars. Only president to not start a war in forever and you still hate him. He brought the border to the forefront really campaigning on it with some improvements if for no other reason than the megaphone yelling at illegals to stay away. You can say Trump spent too much but you can't say he didn't support law enforcement and border patrol. It's just sad that people are so objectively turned off by his persona that they not only refuse to credit where it is due but project all of DC's failures onto him. Horribly flawed jackass sure.

This argument only works if you conveniently ignore the fact that foreign policy under Trump was a fucking disaster and helped prime the pump for what is currently happening in both the Middle East and at the border.

To the former, he continually supported Netanyahu’s policies that blew up in his face.

To the later, the continual attempts under Trump to destabilize the Venezuelan government as well as the economy and granting Venezuelas temporary legal status after he lost the election have played a significant role in large numbers of people from that country immigrating to and seeking asylum in the US.

I’ll close with saying that it is interesting to me to see “conservative” social media influencers posting videos of migrants going over, around and through the border wall that Trump had such a hardon for. What a fucking boondoggle.

 

[Irish#1]

This argument only works if you conveniently ignore the fact that foreign policy under Trump was a fucking disaster and helped prime the pump for what is currently happening in both the Middle East and at the border.

To the former, he continually supported Netanyahu’s policies that blew up in his face.

To the later, the continual attempts under Trump to destabilize the Venezuelan government as well as the economy and granting Venezuelas temporary legal status after he lost the election have played a significant role in large numbers of people from that country immigrating to and seeking asylum in the US.

I’ll close with saying that it is interesting to me to see “conservative” social media influencers posting videos of migrants going over, around and through the border wall that Trump had such a hardon for. What a fucking boondoggle.

Realistically, who would be your options for both parties?

 

[bobbyok1]

He has the highest net favorability in the party.

But he was losing in all the primaries by 40 points.

Yeah, that adds up.

 

[GATTACA!]

He has the highest net favorability in the party.

Yeah that says more about the GOP than it does meatball.

 

[RDU Irish]

This argument only works if you conveniently ignore the fact that foreign policy under Trump was a fucking disaster and helped prime the pump for what is currently happening in both the Middle East and at the border.

To the former, he continually supported Netanyahu’s policies that blew up in his face.

To the later, the continual attempts under Trump to destabilize the Venezuelan government as well as the economy and granting Venezuelas temporary legal status after he lost the election have played a significant role in large numbers of people from that country immigrating to and seeking asylum in the US.

I’ll close with saying that it is interesting to me to see “conservative” social media influencers posting videos of migrants going over, around and through the border wall that Trump had such a hardon for. What a fucking boondoggle.

Your argument only works if you ignore the Abraham Accords and Crimea. All the haters want to squawk about Trump being "dangerous" but his record was objectively one of global stability the likes of which we had not seen in generations. Keep pounding on that "abandoning NATO" talking point making him a Putin puppet. Most normies agree NATO needs to pull their own weight and its lunacy to care more about European defense more than Europe does. Insulting to spend $200B in Ukraine at the same time the southern border is a sieve.

I'll take a $10B border wall boondoggle over $200B Ukrainian money laundering boondoggle every day of the week and twice on Sundays. At least the border lines American pockets and not eastern European oligarchs. I do appreciate how the blank check Ukraine policy from those saying we can't afford a border wall is red pilling a lot of folks with an ounce of objectivity in their veins. I don't care if it is effective or not - the symbolism alone has value. Then again, arguing with anyone that blames Trump for Biden's border is starting from a point of intellectual dishonesty to begin with.

 

[NorthDakota]

But he was losing in all the primaries by 40 points.

Yeah, that adds up.

It adds up perfectly fine. Lots of people like him and not many dislike him. MAGA people (other than the ones Donald pays) like him. Conservative people like him. Hell, my lib uncle who has never voted republican in a Presidential election likes him.

The problem for him is those same people tend to A) like Trump more and/or B) want Donald to get another shot. (My lib uncle does not like the Don).

He would have been a nice bridge candidate for the GOP to get back to relative normal... sadly too many cant quit the old man. Pretty embarrassing for the GOP to nominate Trump in what should be the easiest presidential election for the Party since before I was born lol

 

[calvegas04]

I'll take a $10B border wall boondoggle over $200B Ukrainian money laundering boondoggle every day of the week and twice on Sundays. At least the border lines American pockets and not eastern European oligarchs.

You do know a majority of the money being "sent" to Ukraine is military stock piles we have and the money is being used to buy new stuff for our military.

Also I don't hear Maga people complaining about us sending money to Isreal since trump supports Isreal.

 

[GATTACA!]

You do know a majority of the money being "sent" to Ukraine is military stock piles we have and the money is being used to buy new stuff for our military.

Also I don't hear Maga people complaining about us sending money to Isreal since trump supports Isreal.

No. None of them seemingly understand this.

 

[RDU Irish]

You do know a majority of the money being "sent" to Ukraine is military stock piles we have and the money is being used to buy new stuff for our military.

Also I don't hear Maga people complaining about us sending money to Isreal since trump supports Isreal.

You don't listen well then. Drastic cut backs on all foreign aid is one of the only spending cuts the Don promoted. Israel has plenty of money why they need ours? Just put an Israeli flag on your profile and call it a day.

wtf difference does it make if it is money or "stockpiles"? Why is that any better? Can't let good munitions go to waste now! Fire up the military industrial complex!

 

[RDU Irish]

No. None of them seemingly understand this.

We aren't at war remember.

 

[NorthDakota]

You do know a majority of the money being "sent" to Ukraine is military stock piles we have and the money is being used to buy new stuff for our military.

Also I don't hear Maga people complaining about us sending money to Isreal since trump supports Isreal.

Still tens of billions being paid to Ukrainian government salaries and pensions. The "its military aid" people usually ignore that though

 

[GATTACA!]

wtf difference does it make if it is money or "stockpiles"? Why is that any better? Can't let good munitions go to waste now! Fire up the military industrial complex!

We're offloading a bunch of old munitions that we aren't using. Many of which have expiration dates. You don't see the difference between that and just handing Ukraine cash?

Unless we plan on bombing the Rio Grande Valley at some point the money "given" to Ukraine has no relation to money that could be spent at the border.

 

[GATTACA!]

We aren't at war remember.

Yeah this basically the DoDs wet dream. Weaken Russia. Offload old shit and have a need to upgrade our own arsenal. Get a ton of real time battlefield data. Put zero US assets at risk.

 

[calvegas04]

Yeah this basically the DoDs wet dream. Weaken Russia. Offload old shit and have a need to upgrade our own arsenal. Get a ton of real time battlefield data. Put zero US assets at risk.

Not to mention this has been a wake up call to get our defense industry back on track and modernized

 

[RDU Irish]

You guys are right - just shy of $1 trillion per year spend on defense, no way we should expect a modern military off of that budget that is more than the next ten countries in the world combined. They just need a few more billion to clear out the closets so they can go shopping.