State of the Recruiting Class - 2024

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B Young: #76 to #24, now a 5-star
KVA: #68 to #42
Carr: #45 from #38
Williams: #81 from #39
Lambert: #88 from #83
K Young: #111 from #107
Johnson: #209 from #179
Thomas: #227 to #221

The rest not ranked in the Top 247
Those first 4 are 5*'s PERIOD if they were anybody else's class they certainly would be
 

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Very happy with how this class turned out. Seems like you always need true difference makers on each level surrounded by solid talent to compete for championships. I think we largely did that this year.

DL - Young - 5 star
LB - Asu - 5 star
DB - Probably the biggest question on whether we got a difference maker, but CB looks loaded for years to come. I'll worry about our secondary when Mickens and O'Leary leave and not a moment sooner

OL- Lambert - True top tier tackle in a bad OL cycle
WR/TE- Williams - 5 star
RB - Young - High 4 star, Estime 2.0
QB - Carr - High 4 star and early signs point to having "it"

Those are championship level prospects at essentially every level on both sides of the ball. We need them to hit, but this class could be extremely special.
 

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Justin Scott at 13. Lightfoot from Illinois also a 5 star. Do those seem legit? We really do not do well with elite Illinois prospects
No. I get Justin Scott having this rating, but Lightfoot is a bridge too far. I'll bet against both living up to the rankings.

ND did well enough with Jagusah and Cam Williams. Apart from that, way too many people get their heads up their ass about Chicago kids who ultimately don't turn out to be all that in the end anyway. I'm still waiting for proof that anybody missed out on anything Kyle Prater ever did.

The suburban (Jack Sanborn) and rural (Sam LaPorta) dudes that get away from everyone are usually the ones that raise an eyebrow for me because they wind up at places like Wisconsin and Iowa, do very well and in some instances go to the NFL.
 
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What a coincidence that the re-rankings resulted in our having zero composite 5-stars.
 

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Named Best First Step in same article that names KVA Mr. Complete LB and Bryce Young Mr. Motor
Scott and Lightfoot both just seemed like Division I guys who were there on the field the times I saw them play. They have the size and skill Power Four schools look for, sure, but when they're actually playing actual football it has just looked kind of....whatever.

Cole Kmet was in a situation where getting him the ball was problematic, but he turned out more than okay in the end. Christian Lombard was a four star OL and played like one.

I watched O'Brien Schofield 20 years ago single-handedly wreck games as a junior and senior in HS. He was a three star player who went to Wisconsin, played in The League for 7 years and won a Super Bowl. I find more often than not, THESE are the Chicago area/Illinois guys that everyone misses out on and the higher rated guys end up having large kiss ass choruses following them around telling them how good they are.

Two decades later it feels like this stuff is still nowhere near exact.
 

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Classic rankings service logic

Has to sit out an all star game so sees stock plummet

Meanwhile if he had caught a random TD pass during the game he would now probably be in the top 25
I would bet that Williams' drop has a lot to do with ND saying he* has work to do with route running
 
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Scott and Lightfoot both just seemed like Division I guys who were there on the field the times I saw them play. They have the size and skill Power Four schools look for, sure, but when they're actually playing actual football it has just looked kind of....whatever.

Cole Kmet was in a situation where getting him the ball was problematic, but he turned out more than okay in the end. Christian Lombard was a four star OL and played like one.

I watched O'Brien Schofield 20 years ago single-handedly wreck games as a junior and senior in HS. He was a three star player who went to Wisconsin, played in The League for 7 years and won a Super Bowl. I find more often than not, THESE are the Chicago area/Illinois guys that everyone misses out on and the higher rated guys end up having large kiss ass choruses following them around telling them how good they are.

Two decades later it feels like this stuff is still nowhere near exact.
Hang out in the North Suburban League/Mid-Suburban League area and you'll always find 1 kid a year that will turn into something.

Playing Jimmy Garopollo was like a man amongst boys
 

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I'm now at the conclusion that 247's rankings should be written off entirely. My god, Andrew Ivins not only can't overcome his bias against ND, but he just flat out sucks at his job.

I don't have much issue with the top of the class. Guys like Carr, Bryce Young, KVA, Cam, Lambert, Kedren Young. Those are mostly fine.

But Ivins has 12 of ND's 23 commits rated as a 3-star. That is beyond incompetent.

Bodie Kahoun had an absolutely fantastic season with absolutely insane numbers. His ranking didn't move up AT ALL.

Sean Sevillano, had a huge senior year. Ranking doesn't move. Larson? Didn't change. Peter Jones? Didn't change. Prescod? Didn't change.

In fact, of the 12 players rated 3-stars by 247, do you want to know how many had their score re-evaluated during or after their senior season? ZERO.

That shows me that either Ivins is too lazy or incompetent to do the grunt work and evaluate players that aren't in his initial 247 ranking, or he actively avoids bumping up ND players unless they're just at the very top and it would be difficult to justify keeping them low. Probably both.

It's just amateurism at its finest. I can understand a couple players falling through the cracks, but how do you not update the rankings of more than HALF of a class!?

247 made an absolutely idiotic decision by replacing Simmons with this clod. They are honestly worse than On3, and that is saying quite a bit, given how much flak On3 gets (and justifiably so).
 

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I would bet that Williams' drop has a lot to do with ND saying he* has work to do with route running
Perhaps but the lack of route running ability would've still been an issue too when they had him ranked 40 spots higher. Not like he got worse at it during his season

It is what it is--but ranking services get too reactionary to the all star games/practices imo

But sometimes it rolls in our favor like with KVA and Young
 

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Perhaps but the lack of route running ability would've still been an issue too when they had him ranked 40 spots higher. Not like he got worse at it during his season

It is what it is--but ranking services get too reactionary to the all star games/practices imo

But sometimes it rolls in our favor like with KVA and Young
KVA perhaps, but Young was LONG overdue for a substantial bump. Halfway through the season, Young was still a three-star, which again, shows how incompetent Ivins is. It was very apparent early in 2023 that this kid was going to be a stud, and his growth spurt warranted at the very least a bump to 4-star territory.

I think his senior film was a bigger reason for the bump. AA performance merely cemented it.
 

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I'm now at the conclusion that 247's rankings should be written off entirely. My god, Andrew Ivins not only can't overcome his bias against ND, but he just flat out sucks at his job.

I don't have much issue with the top of the class. Guys like Carr, Bryce Young, KVA, Cam, Lambert, Kedren Young. Those are mostly fine.

But Ivins has 12 of ND's 23 commits rated as a 3-star. That is beyond incompetent.

Bodie Kahoun had an absolutely fantastic season with absolutely insane numbers. His ranking didn't move up AT ALL.

Sean Sevillano, had a huge senior year. Ranking doesn't move. Larson? Didn't change. Peter Jones? Didn't change. Prescod? Didn't change.

In fact, of the 12 players rated 3-stars by 247, do you want to know how many had their score re-evaluated during or after their senior season? ZERO.

That shows me that either Ivins is too lazy or incompetent to do the grunt work and evaluate players that aren't in his initial 247 ranking, or he actively avoids bumping up ND players unless they're just at the very top and it would be difficult to justify keeping them low. Probably both.

It's just amateurism at its finest. I can understand a couple players falling through the cracks, but how do you not update the rankings of more than HALF of a class!?

247 made an absolutely idiotic decision by replacing Simmons with this clod. They are honestly worse than On3, and that is saying quite a bit, given how much flak On3 gets (and justifiably so).
It’s not incompetence it’s purposeful. If it grinds your gears twitter troll the dickhead.
 

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It’s not incompetence it’s purposeful. If it grinds your gears twitter troll the dickhead.
I think it's both.

He has a clear hate-boner for ND, but he also took over as the lead scout despite having almost zero scouting experience.
 

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I'm now at the conclusion that 247's rankings should be written off entirely.

On3, and that is saying quite a bit, given how much flak On3 gets (and justifiably so).

Rivals has proven to be the best/most consistent over an extended period of time imo

Its the only one I bother f'ing with

The other ones start to get skewed too much depending upon which guys happen to be there at which times

Main gripe about Rivals is they skew too much towards the southeast region recruits but I think the past 20 yrs or so has shown that to be the reality
 

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Have they got a tactic of having strange extremes with the recruits from the programs with big followings?
 
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