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[TorontoGold]

You linked the same one twice lol. First two lines:

Key word "argues." He's trying to make a case that goes against the currently accepted standard that gender affirming care is for trans/binary people. So, one doctor against a million. Well done.

You literally linked an opinion piece by a guy that's a satirist lol. Why would I bother to check his background whether he aligns with me or not? Why does his opinion matter? How long are you going to dribble and try to run out the clock?

Of course I'm adapt at determining gender affirming care is for trans/binary people, it's literally right there in the definition. It's a little worrisome that you're not capable of understanding a basic definition, quite frankly. Can you tell us what a woman is, or do you need a doctorate for that?

I linked the wrong thing twice, my bad. It doesn't matter what any medical doctor says you are going to disagree so there's no point in me putting any more effort into that.

He had the surgery done. You don't believe that a 12 year old child should have that surgery. Your stance is that no child under 18 should receive gender affirming surgery no matter if they're trans or not.

Being a woman is based on gender which is a social construct. Being female is based on your biological sex. I didn't even need to watch a sex pest documentary to figure that out, just one sociology class in university.

Changing definitions is part of what the left does. If Toronto can say this is gender affirming then how can you be against it. This is how they normalize it. He’s a 🐑

Yeah I'm the sheep that's for sure.

 

[Irish#1]

This is literally the definition of gender affirming lmao. Bringing your hormone levels to your perceived gender norms is what gender affirming is about. You're not trans (Ew!) if you get hormone supplements, people do it all the time.

Then why does everyone use this term when referring to those wanting to change their sex? You need to get out there and educate all the other misguided nuts like us.

 

[TorontoGold]

Then why does everyone use this term when referring to those wanting to change their sex? You need to get out there and educate all the other misguided nuts like us.

Because it's more common for trans people to under go it?

 

[Irish#1]

Because it's more common for trans people to under go it?

I get it now. You're willing to die on that tiny hill because a term is used in a different context than it was originally intended. I remember when using the term gay wouldn't even invoke the thought of homosexual. Care to take up that cause?

 

[Blazers46]

I get it now. You're willing to die on that tiny hill because a term is used in a different context than it was originally intended. I remember when using the term gay wouldn't even invoke the thought of homosexual. Care to take up that cause?

Toronto’s fight along with the left is to reprogram society to fit their agenda. Toronto wants to call taking a drug to get taller gender affirming. This way things get garbled in language so he can argue on the forum better and score more wins. Toronto is idiot affirming daily.

 

[TorontoGold]

I get it now. You're willing to die on that tiny hill because a term is used in a different context than it was originally intended. I remember when using the term gay wouldn't even invoke the thought of homosexual. Care to take up that cause?

....vortex?

I said it's used for both, I don't understand your issue here.

 

[NDMatt91]

Well, Joe Biden just won re-election tonight with the results from the Iowa caucus. It sucks, but it is what it is. Maybe the GOP will get serious in 2028.

 

[bobbyok1]

Well, Joe Biden just won re-election tonight with the results from the Iowa caucus. It sucks, but it is what it is. Maybe the GOP will get serious in 2028.

What part about Trump's polling being far ahead of 2016 or 2020 at this stage, or him leading Biden by 1 pt in the polling, makes you think Biden will win reelection? Biden's stellar administration these past 3 years?

2024 General Election: Trump vs. Biden | RealClearPolling

2024 General Election: Trump vs. Biden | RealClearPolling

www.realclearpolling.com

In 2016 on this date he trailed Killary by 2 points (final polling trailed by 3 pts), in 2020 he trailed Biden by 4 points.

 

[NDMatt91]

What part about Trump's polling being far ahead of 2016 or 2020 at this stage, or him leading Biden by 1 pt in the polling, makes you think Biden will win reelection? Biden's stellar administration these past 3 years?

2024 General Election: Trump vs. Biden | RealClearPolling

2024 General Election: Trump vs. Biden | RealClearPolling

www.realclearpolling.com

In 2016 on this date he trailed Killary by 2 points (final polling trailed by 3 pts), in 2020 he trailed Biden by 4 points.

The swing states rejected Trump in 2020 and the horrible candidates he picked in 2022. I don't think it's realistic that they'd flip when they've been very clear that they don't like Trump. If you dig into a lot of the polls, they just don't add up. Many of them have him losing women and voters between 18-29 by just 6-8 points. In 2020 he lost both groups by at least 15 points and in 2016 he lost both groups by double digits as well.

 

[Circa]

You Children can't understand that Biden Is a demented old man can ya? FUCK YOU! You Children... You're a goddamn disgrace to this country.

I didn't need you. Bc you're too dumb to relate to. Have a nice life being caught up in your demented minds.

 

[bobbyok1]

The swing states rejected Trump in 2020 and the horrible candidates he picked in 2022. I don't think it's realistic that they'd flip when they've been very clear that they don't like Trump. If you dig into a lot of the polls, they just don't add up. Many of them have him losing women and voters between 18-29 by just 6-8 points. In 2020 he lost both groups by at least 15 points and in 2016 he lost both groups by double digits as well.

Things are far brighter than what you're seeing.

Rich Baris of The People's Pundit (Big Data Poll) is one of the better pollsters and he shows Trump doing much better with women and the 18-29 bracket this time around. In fact he is doing better in just about every bracket and demographic, Hispanics, Blacks, women, youth, etc. Most pollsters have him leading in all 6 of the key battleground states. So I am not sure where this info is coming from.

As far "Trump candidates" the GOP has spent money opposing Trumps candidates even pouring money into Democrat campaigns, thats a fact, not hard to find. So, I wouldn't put too much stock in that. If Trump and the GOP were in sync, which they are most certainly not as they only tolerate him when they have to, then those candidates would have/will do much better.

Tonight shows what everyone knows. The Republican base is MAGA, and the ruling Republicans are RINO's. That's the divide. But, it doesn't matter. Trump is on pace to win the 2024 general election, that's clear as day in the polling.

Because of the census shift, and state gains and loses in the electoral college, Trump has an easier path than 2016 or 2020. He doesn't even have to win Pennsylvania this time around to win the Electoral College.



He just set a record for Iowa Caucus turnout, surpassing Cruz's number in 2016 . . . In a blizzard. Winning all 99 counties

 

[NDMatt91]

Things are far brighter than what your seeing.

Rich Baris is one of the better pollsters and he shows Trump doing much better with women and the 18-29 bracket this time around. In fact he is doing better in just about every bracket and demographic, Hispanics, Blacks, women, youth, etc. Most pollsters have him leading in all 6 of the key battleground states. So I am not sure where this info is coming from.

As far "Trump candidates" the GOP has spent money opposing Trumps candidates even pouring money into Democrat campaigns, thats a fact, not hard to find. So, I wouldn't put too much stock in that. If Trump and the GOP were in sync, which they are most certainly not as they only tolerate him when they have to, then those candidates would have/will do much better.

He just set a record for Iowa Caucus turnout, surpassing Cruz's number in 2016 . . . In a blizzard. Winning all 99 counties

Baris was wrong about almost everything in 2022 and thought for a while that Brian Kemp would lose to Stacey Abrams. Democrats funneled money to get candidates like Kari Lake, Don Bolduc, and Doug Mastriano wins in primaries because they were very weak General Election candidates. I don't like McConnell, but he raised and spent hundreds of millions of dollars, including in multiple states where Trump spent nothing. Trump kept nearly $100 Million for himself and the most he spent was on the Georgia Gubernatorial Primary in an effort to get Kemp out of office. Had he succeeded in getting Perdue the nomination, Stacey Abrams would've defeated him in November. Trump also "split" donations with Blake Masters where he automatically kept 99% for himself unless you changed the split.

 

[bobbyok1]

Baris was wrong about almost everything in 2022 and thought for a while that Brian Kemp would lose to Stacey Abrams. Democrats funneled money to get candidates like Kari Lake, Don Bolduc, and Doug Mastriano wins in primaries because they were very weak General Election candidates. I don't like McConnell, but he raised and spent hundreds of millions of dollars, including in multiple states where Trump spent nothing. Trump kept nearly $100 Million for himself and the most he spent was on the Georgia Gubernatorial Primary in an effort to get Kemp out of office. Had he succeeded in getting Perdue the nomination, Stacey Abrams would've defeated him in November. Trump also "split" donations with Blake Masters where he automatically kept 99% for himself unless you changed the split.

Trump is not the GOP. Lake, Bolduc and Mastriano were not necessarily the best candidates, no argument there (Lake is not too bad however). But they didn't necessarily lose for that reason, McConnell intentionally undermined their campaigns by spending next to nothing on them. McConnell and the RINO's are part of the uni-party, and they have zero interest in seeing America First/MAGA candidates filling the ranks of congress.

I am not a Trump apologist, and think that all of his moves are golden, clearly they are not. But the reason the Republicans busted so bad in 2022 was not primarily Trump (everyone on the right got 2022 wrong by the way, not just Baris), it was McConnell and McCarthy intentionally sabotaging MAGA candidates. The GOP did squat to support Masters and many others, because they wanted to keep their uniparty alliance strong. They don't give two cents about "who is in power" in DC, the Republicans or the Democrats, because they know the real group in power is the uniparty. Pretending to be opponents for the cameras and lining their pockets and partying together at night.

 

[NDMatt91]

Trump is not the GOP. Lake, Bolduc and Mastriano were not necessarily the best candidates, no argument there (Lake is not too bad however). But they didn't necessarily lose for that reason, McConnell intentionally undermined their campaigns by spending next to nothing on them. McConnell and the RINO's are part of the uni-party, and they have zero interest in seeing America First/MAGA candidates filling the ranks of congress.

I am not a Trump apologist, and think that all of his moves are golden, clearly they are not. But the reason the Republicans busted so bad in 2022 was not primarily Trump (everyone on the right got 2022 wrong by the way, not just Baris), it was McConnell and McCarthy intentionally sabotaging MAGA candidates. The GOP did squat to support Masters and many others, because they wanted to keep their uniparty alliance strong. They don't give two cents about "who is in power" in DC, the Republicans or the Democrats, because they know the real group in power is the uniparty. Pretending to be opponents for the cameras and lining their pockets and partying together at night.

Lake, Bolduc, Mastriano and a plethora of other candidates in swing races lost because they were obsessed with the 2020 election and were Trump sycophants. Independent voters didn't want that, and that's why they rejected them. They basically said that if you don't obsess over the 2020 Election or act like a Trump mini-me, we'll vote for almost anyone with an "R" next to their name. That's why the non-Trump candidates outperformed Trump's picks.

The reason there was no red wave in 2022 was because GOP primary voters made stupid decisions by nominating awful candidates. For example, Kimberly Yee, the AZ State Treasurer, ran in the Gubernatorial Primary against Kari Lake. Voters overwhelmingly backed Lake and Yee dropped out before the primary election and ran for re-election as State Treasurer. In November she received nearly 125,000 more votes than Lake did on the very same ballot. That's on AZ GOP voters. Dr. Oz barely beat David McCormick in the GOP primary for Senate in Pennsylvania. McCormick was beating Fetterman in some head-to-head polls. GOP voters in Pennsylvania screwed that up.

 

[Irish#1]

....vortex?

I said it's used for both, I don't understand your issue here.

This doesn't surprise me.

 

[Irish#1]

Trump lost last time because he alienated many GOP voters with his unprofessional conduct while in office. If polls are correct that he leads Biden, then that tells me people would rather put up with his conduct over what Biden has and hasn't done while in office.

 

[bobbyok1]

Trump lost last time because he alienated many GOP voters with his unprofessional conduct while in office. If polls are correct that he leads Biden, then that tells me people would rather put up with his conduct over what Biden has and hasn't done while in office.

I would add, people were also force fed highly concerning narratives about Trump that kept some from supporting him as well. Regardless of what any with TDS say, those have fallen flat on their face time and time again.

While I do think there are plenty of people who could do without the antics, enough have seen through the things that truly concerned them, and now see those things as political warfare. "Okay, I don't like him, he says stupid stuff at times, but I trust he will run the country better than Biden's Administration."

 

[bobbyok1]

Lake, Bolduc, Mastriano and a plethora of other candidates in swing races lost because they were obsessed with the 2020 election and were Trump sycophants. Independent voters didn't want that, and that's why they rejected them. They basically said that if you don't obsess over the 2020 Election or act like a Trump mini-me, we'll vote for almost anyone with an "R" next to their name. That's why the non-Trump candidates outperformed Trump's picks.

The reason there was no red wave in 2022 was because GOP primary voters made stupid decisions by nominating awful candidates. For example, Kimberly Yee, the AZ State Treasurer, ran in the Gubernatorial Primary against Kari Lake. Voters overwhelmingly backed Lake and Yee dropped out before the primary election and ran for re-election as State Treasurer. In November she received nearly 125,000 more votes than Lake did on the very same ballot. That's on AZ GOP voters. Dr. Oz barely beat David McCormick in the GOP primary for Senate in Pennsylvania. McCormick was beating Fetterman in some head-to-head polls. GOP voters in Pennsylvania screwed that up.

I'll just say this.

A lot of this comes down to who you listen to and who shapes your lens. We all have sources we here from and those sources shape our perspectives. We try to find people whose word we can trust and then we synthesize the info and make judgements.

From your specific examples you've shared, you seem to follow sources that take things on face value more than I do. Great. Hope your right and those steps would help us become a better nation. I listen to more sources who do not take things at face value as much. No not Q-Anon crap. But I think the last 4 years since 2020 have given us all a reason to pause and not take things at face value and be a little more skeptical of the info we are being fed.

Not sure we'll see eye to eye on these things, and thats fine, hopefully we will see a good result for the country Nov 2024 and another Biden administration is not it.

 

[ulukinatme]

Trump lost last time because he alienated many GOP voters with his unprofessional conduct while in office. If polls are correct that he leads Biden, then that tells me people would rather put up with his conduct over what Biden has and hasn't done while in office.

I would say it was specifically the pandemic that did him in. Prior to the pandemic the economy was running high, low inflation, low interest, and the housing market was booming. The attacks against him up to that point hadn't really moved the needle, a re-election bid was looking high. After the pandemic release it was a no win situation. The messaging and estimates from Trump and the experts were bad. At that point he was dead in the water, he lost the independent support he had.

 

[drayer54]

I would add, people were also force fed highly concerning narratives about Trump that kept some from supporting him as well. Regardless of what any with TDS say, those have fallen flat on their face time and time again.

While I do think there are plenty of people who could do without the antics, enough have seen through the things that truly concerned them, and now see those things as political warfare. "Okay, I don't like him, he says stupid stuff at times, but I trust he will run the country better than Biden's Administration."

If Trump can run a ton of ads of him at the SoTU saying unemployment records, tax cuts, peace, all the needed signs and contrast it with Joe’s performance, he has a chance. A good running mate would help.

Trump needs to close the gap on the part of the right that doesn’t want Trump (which includes me) but will certainly vote against Biden. He only has half that support right now and the Haley voters aren’t loving him. He also has a year of J6, post-election lies, and court ads about to hammer him. Plus… he has to go to court.
If Trump can make this election about being better off now or four years ago? I think he has a good chance.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Attorney Joe Tacopina withdraws from Trump's legal team

Joe Tacopina, one of the attorneys representing Donald Trump in his Manhattan hush money case, has withdrawn from Trump's legal team.

abcnews.go.com

Won Iowa, lost another lawyer.

Par, course.

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm convinced Trump won't make it across the finish line.

 

[drayer54]

I'm convinced Trump won't make it across the finish line.

Like win the election or even make it to the election?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/15/iowa-exit-polls-2024/

Entrance and exit polls not terribly interesting.

 

[RDU Irish]

Like win the election or even make it to the election?

If he makes it to the election it will be because Neocon Nikki is the VP and its less messy to have him croak after winning. All assuming he isn't legally disqualified somehow first.

 

[bobbyok1]

I would say it was specifically the pandemic that did him in. Prior to the pandemic the economy was running high, low inflation, low interest, and the housing market was booming. The attacks against him up to that point hadn't really moved the needle, a re-election bid was looking high. After the pandemic release it was a no win situation. The messaging and estimates from Trump and the experts were bad. At that point he was dead in the water, he lost the independent support he had.

I agree the pandemic was probably the main factor if not one the top few main factors in 2020 for anyone who didn't vote for Trump.

 

[bobbyok1]

If he makes it to the election it will be because Neocon Nikki is the VP and its less messy to have him croak after winning.

Don't see a path for anyone he's repeated calls "Birdbrain" to be his VP

 

[RDU Irish]

Don't see a path for anyone he's repeated calls "Birdbrain" to be his VP

Trump is a dick to everyone, he would get over it quick if he thought it benefited him. She is a politician so is she going to turn it down? She has the keys to the uniparty $$$ and supposedly polls well in Trump's weakest demographics (i.e. democrats). Pence was pretty terrible and Trump picked him to look less devilish to the base. Trump could see VP as irrelevant and think he is using her for $$ and votes. Come January 2025..... Epstein didn't kill himself.

 

[bobbyok1]

Trump is a dick to everyone, he would get over it quick if he thought it benefited him. She is a politician so is she going to turn it down? She has the keys to the uniparty $$$ and supposedly polls well in Trump's weakest demographics (i.e. democrats). Pence was pretty terrible and Trump picked him to look less devilish to the base. Trump could see VP as irrelevant and think he is using her for $$ and votes. Come January 2025..... Epstein didn't kill himself.

I can see your points. She is totally the Uniparty's puppet, warmongering Nikki, keep the money flowing.

I think the real question is will Trump go with someone who appeases the swamp this time around. I don't think he will. He already sees that group (Dems and RINOS) as stealing the last election from him, so why bother appeasing them this time?

I could see Ben Carson (who would be good in many ways, awful as a debater). Time will tell. Due to the current state of things all I can say is Trump 2024!

 

[ulukinatme]

If Trump wants a shot he probably needs a likable woman VP to help bridge the gap with women voters. I'm not sure if Haley fits the bill, I honestly don't know enough about her. Maybe independents like a boring Pence type next to Trump, but I don't see it.

Don't see a path for anyone he's repeated calls "Birdbrain" to be his VP

Trump belittled a lot of opponents leading up to the first election and then later gave them cabinet positions or other once they backed him. He and Christie had a good feud, he then put him as the chair of a new Opoid and Drug Abuse Commission before it was abolished 8 months later