'23 CA WR Rico Flores (UCLA Transfer)

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Only thing is portal entry starts before bowl. So if goal was keep xyz on roster then move needs made before portal opens right?
Right but how bad did you have to miscalculate to think “I need to fire this guy to keep Merriweather and James” only to still lose them? And then also potentially lose two of you more consistent players?

And this isn’t even talking about the potential ripple effect with current commits (which, for now, looks like it has been avoided).

ND is now in a situation where they have no margin for error in the next hire they make AND what they do in the portal.
 

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I hope he stays. Given his background and everything he's had to work against, it would be a shame if he made an emotional decision to leave because his recruiter left. He could do something exceptional by graduating with a degree from ND.

I don't think he'll be a star, but he's got that dawg in him. His confidence is something to admire.
 

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Right but how bad did you have to miscalculate to think “I need to fire this guy to keep Merriweather and James” only to still lose them? And then also potentially lose two of you more consistent players?

And this isn’t even talking about the potential ripple effect with current commits (which, for now, looks like it has been avoided).

ND is now in a situation where they have no margin for error in the next hire they make AND what they do in the portal.
I don't think Stuckey getting the axe was the reason Merriweather or James are gone. Merriweather had a terrible season and was losing snaps to freshmen like Greathouse, Faison and Flores. James was running 4th in a 5 man freshmen class, at best. Didn't help him that Faison emerged, and Greathouse and Flores got significant reps, and even after the several injuries, he wasn't getting legitimate reps. Seems like James was a major risk to transfer long before the Stuckey news.

Only one that could potentially be related to Stuckey is if Flores transfers, but on the other hand, it sounded like a few others may have left had Stuckey been retained. A lot of weird things coming out re: the receiver room and their dynamic.

I also think if they get Leonard, which it sounds like that's all but a done deal, they should be fairly enticing for a legitimate transfer receiver or two like Kris Mitchell out of FIU or Ja'Mori Maclin from North Texas.
 

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Right but how bad did you have to miscalculate to think “I need to fire this guy to keep Merriweather and James” only to still lose them? And then also potentially lose two of you more consistent players?

And this isn’t even talking about the potential ripple effect with current commits (which, for now, looks like it has been avoided).

ND is now in a situation where they have no margin for error in the next hire they make AND what they do in the portal.
Makes retaining the OC make even less sense
 

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Right but how bad did you have to miscalculate to think “I need to fire this guy to keep Merriweather and James” only to still lose them? And then also potentially lose two of you more consistent players?

And this isn’t even talking about the potential ripple effect with current commits (which, for now, looks like it has been avoided).

ND is now in a situation where they have no margin for error in the next hire they make AND what they do in the portal.
And this is where I’m okay with MF doing what he’s doing. If he’s going to go down, I’d rather he go down on his own terms versus keeping the status quo and hoping things improve. I can appreciate his willingness to be aggressive. Feels sort of ‘sacrifice the few to save the many’
 

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Freeman’s primary responsibility is to run a good and successful football program.

If he thinks that an assistant coach, after a couple of years, is not contributing enough to that effort, he should replace that coach with someone better, not keep him on out of fear that a couple of freshmen in a weak position group might transfer.

And those freshmen - and the adults in their lives - should have the wisdom to be a little patient, trust their decision to come to Notre Dame, and see what develops in the transition. They can always leave in a few months, college football will still be there.

If they lack that patience, that says more about them than it does about Freeman.

It’s hypocritical though. Your OC couldn’t operate and offense with Tom Brady. But he is your buddy so he doesn’t get the axe.
 

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Idk waiting until after the bowl probably eliminates a lot of the top options. What's stopping A&M or some other offensively impaired blue blood from spending $1.2MM on Jamarcus Sheppard while we wait around with a lame duck. We'd really look like idiots then.

We always hear we are in the top range for this guy or that guy. But I don’t believe we will get a top 10 WR coach.
 

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And this is where I’m okay with MF doing what he’s doing. If he’s going to go down, I’d rather he go down on his own terms versus keeping the status quo and hoping things improve. I can appreciate his willingness to be aggressive. Feels sort of ‘sacrifice the few to save the many’

Than he needs to get rid of his buddy Parker. If Parker didn’t have Estime we lose another game. And if we had a different OC we don’t lose 3 games.
 

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Only way Freeman digs himself out of this hole is if he goes and gets Hartline or Shepherd. Anyone else will be a disaster, he should have hired Shepherd in the first place.
 

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Freeman’s primary responsibility is to run a good and successful football program.

If he thinks that an assistant coach, after a couple of years, is not contributing enough to that effort, he should replace that coach with someone better, not keep him on out of fear that a couple of freshmen in a weak position group might transfer.

And those freshmen - and the adults in their lives - should have the wisdom to be a little patient, trust their decision to come to Notre Dame, and see what develops in the transition. They can always leave in a few months, college football will still be there.

If they lack that patience, that says more about them than it does about Freeman.
Agree, but look out the window. The world wants instant gratification with no speed bumps and lots of hugs.
 

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Only way Freeman digs himself out of this hole is if he goes and gets Hartline or Shepherd. Anyone else will be a disaster, he should have hired Shepherd in the first place.
I wouldn't turn down either of those, but MF doesn't have to get either of these to salvage the situation. There's plenty of WR coaches out there that can recruit, coach and relate to the kids. Remember, Stuckey was pretty much a newbie.
 

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I wouldn't turn down either of those, but MF doesn't have to get either of these to salvage the situation. There's plenty of WR coaches out there that can recruit, coach and relate to the kids. Remember, Stuckey was pretty much a newbie.
Obviously well-liked 'newbie' by some of the WR's.
 

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I wouldn't turn down either of those, but MF doesn't have to get either of these to salvage the situation. There's plenty of WR coaches out there that can recruit, coach and relate to the kids. Remember, Stuckey was pretty much a newbie.
Agree, it just makes no sense to rush to fire him, still lose a ton of players, and not have someone lined up to come in. Seems like a complete emotional reaction that CAN NOT happen when leading a major program/organization.

Freeman firing stuckey feels very smilar to freemans emotional poor decision vs Louisville to go for it 4th and 11, on our 35, with 10 minutes to go only down 11. The drive before he kicked a 54 yd FG when we had it in louisvlile territory on 3rd and 3. Ran the ball, gained no yards, and then kicked a fg. If you run it there it's to go for it on fourth down. It feels like he panics in challenging situations.

Freeman makes TERRIBLE reactive emotional decisions it seems.
 

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I don't think Stuckey getting the axe was the reason Merriweather or James are gone. Merriweather had a terrible season and was losing snaps to freshmen like Greathouse, Faison and Flores. James was running 4th in a 5 man freshmen class, at best. Didn't help him that Faison emerged, and Greathouse and Flores got significant reps, and even after the several injuries, he wasn't getting legitimate reps. Seems like James was a major risk to transfer long before the Stuckey news.

Only one that could potentially be related to Stuckey is if Flores transfers, but on the other hand, it sounded like a few others may have left had Stuckey been retained. A lot of weird things coming out re: the receiver room and their dynamic.

I also think if they get Leonard, which it sounds like that's all but a done deal, they should be fairly enticing for a legitimate transfer receiver or two like Kris Mitchell out of FIU or Ja'Mori Maclin from North Texas.
Good take. 👍 I have no inside info, but isn’t also possible that MF discovered that these guys, including Flores, we not happy with their development and wanted to leave, thus prompting his firing of CS? My point is that we don’t have the facts, but I doubt this is a case where MF simply miscalculated and now ever is leaving.
 

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As time goes by, I’m sure there will be more clarity (or maybe not) on what happened and where the conflict was. Something happened quickly that made things irreparable in this relationship. Shit went from consistency to you’re fired real quick.
 

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So, these are the possible WR losses, correct?

1. Tyree
2. James
3. Flores
4. Merriweather

For the bowl game then it will only be Greathouse, Faison and Salerno with any experience from this year?!? Does frosh KK Smith get in the mix? Do the Irish just load up with TE's the whole game and just have limited WR opportunities? WTF is going on here???
 

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So, these are the possible WR losses, correct?

1. Tyree
2. James
3. Flores
4. Merriweather

For the bowl game then it will only be Greathouse, Faison and Salerno with any experience from this year?!? Does frosh KK Smith get in the mix? Do the Irish just load up with TE's the whole game and just have limited WR opportunities? WTF is going on here???
Thomas will hopefully be healthy and maybe colzie is back.

If you have greathouse, faison, thomas, colzie, salerno for one game you're fine. Key is Thomas. If staes stays, i think you split him out a bit more than just to block.

Maybe Kk smith plays but doubt it since he hasn't even been able to practice and is a frosh.
 

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So, these are the possible WR losses, correct?

1. Tyree
2. James
3. Flores
4. Merriweather

For the bowl game then it will only be Greathouse, Faison and Salerno with any experience from this year?!? Does frosh KK Smith get in the mix? Do the Irish just load up with TE's the whole game and just have limited WR opportunities? WTF is going on here???
Bowl game is gonna be ugly.
 

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Well, all of the little girls pounding skittles and redbull have told me the program is falling apart and this shows Freeman has no clue.

Thoughts?

I'm waiting to see who we bring in before passing judgment but it has been a lot of fun today.
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So, these are the possible WR losses, correct?

1. Tyree
2. James
3. Flores
4. Merriweather

For the bowl game then it will only be Greathouse, Faison and Salerno with any experience from this year?!? Does frosh KK Smith get in the mix? Do the Irish just load up with TE's the whole game and just have limited WR opportunities? WTF is going on here???
Losing Staes too despite keeping War Daddy.

I don’t think Freeman can manage. I would like to think it’s Savvy Jack fucking this program up. Brian Kelly kept Savvy Jack in check but Freeman is such an inexperienced kid. Freeman didn’t understand Stucki was actually well liked.

I think what will come out is Stucki didn’t get on w War Daddy and was railroaded and the receivers are bailing to save their careers elsewhere with a real OC elsewhere.
 

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The only surprise transfer is Rico... for whom we still dont even have confirmation that he is going. Anyone who watched Tobias' body language all season should not be the least bit shocked that he wants out. James is a highly recruited kid from Texas who never sniffed the field as a freshman... its always hard to to keep those types happy. It makes perfect sense for Tyree to go chase more targets.

Rico seems like a good kid who is a bit emotional and still has some maturing to do. Lets wait to see if he is actually leaving before calling it an exodus.
 

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The only surprise transfer is Rico... for whom we still dont even have confirmation that he is going. Anyone who watched Tobias' body language all season should not be the least bit shocked that he wants out. James is a highly recruited kid from Texas who never sniffed the field as a freshman... its always hard to to keep those types happy. It makes perfect sense for Tyree to go chase more targets.

Rico seems like a good kid who is a bit emotional and still has some maturing to do. Lets wait to see if he is actually leaving before calling it an exodus.
It's why i struggle with how much PT Tobias got after multiple instances of extremely poor effort. I get we didn't have many other options (although faison should have been one much earlier), but having someone out there not giving max effort has a ripple affect at times. Don't know if all the blame should go to stuckey (some has to) and or parker/freeman but not giving effort to fight for balls cost ND. Freeman talks about a standard yet did we ever see ANYONE get held accountable with playing time or even getting chewed out. Not Tobias, not hartman, not DJ Brown, not Marist. I obviously don't really see anything behind the scenes, but the same people kept making the same major mistakes, and they kept on playing. Playing Time is a powerful tool!

It's not about making a mistake and you're out, it's about learning from your mistakes, being locked in, and giving max effort. If you do all that, you can play through mistakes because you'll correct them. ND did not correct them and they haunted us vs every good team
 

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It's why i struggle with how much PT Tobias got after multiple instances of extremely poor effort. I get we didn't have many other options (although faison should have been one much earlier), but having someone out there not giving max effort has a ripple affect at times. Don't know if all the blame should go to stuckey (some has to) and or parker/freeman but not giving effort to fight for balls cost ND. Freeman talks about a standard yet did we ever see ANYONE get held accountable with playing time or even getting chewed out. Not Tobias, not hartman, not DJ Brown, not Marist. I obviously don't really see anything behind the scenes, but the same people kept making the same major mistakes, and they kept on playing. Playing Time is a powerful tool!

It's not about making a mistake and you're out, it's about learning from your mistakes, being locked in, and giving max effort. If you do all that, you can play through mistakes because you'll correct them. ND did not correct them and they haunted us vs every good team
Can’t believe it, but I actually agree with you. I couldn’t believe they were still trotting Merriweather out there with the apparent lack of effort. You can’t tell me James couldn’t have done that. He’s supposed to be just as good of an athlete
 

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Can’t believe it, but I actually agree with you. I couldn’t believe they were still trotting Merriweather out there with the apparent lack of effort. You can’t tell me James couldn’t have done that. He’s supposed to be just as good of an athlete
which is where the talking shit about players behind their back might be coming in. maybe stuckey didnt have the power to say james should be playing over merriweather. no one knows shit at this point.
 

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Ironically, Stuckey gets credit for Faison but it can be argued that he mishandled that situation more than the others.

Faison had been balling out since training camp and when it was apparent that the kid could play, he should have been getting alot more snaps even sooner than he did.
 

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Idk if I'm allowed to share
But screw it and I apologize in advance to him, so I'll shout it out and recommend a follow

But Loy just had another newer update doubling down that it sounds like Rico is not ever suiting up for ND again...

Please remember that Irish Illustrated is the place to be if you ever feel like using a pay site for info like this (plus all the other details on the post)
 

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Ironically, Stuckey gets credit for Faison but it can be argued that he mishandled that situation more than the others.

Faison had been balling out since training camp and when it was apparent that the kid could play, he should have been getting alot more snaps even sooner than he did.
Faison is not Stuckeys credit.

1) He sat on Faison most of the season - even though he tore up training camp (even Jason Garrett said non-football Pete Bevacqua saw that Jordan was different and needs to play_

2) He had limited time with Stuckey, meaning less training, meaning less bad mistakes to learn. Much like why the younger and "purer" the receiver, the better they played.
 
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