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I really don’t think it is all that possible to keep 3 scholarship QB’s anymore. And if so only for a very short time period. These guys aren’t going to sit around and wait for emergencies to happen. End of story! And a portal guy isn’t coming here unless he knows he is going to start of has a high percentage to start. Which then means someone is going to leave which would probably be Steve. Then your back then comes in and even has less experience than Steve does.

And one of these QB’s has to be a hit our it’s going to affect your recruiting of QB’s. Other teams are going to be like see they can’t develop you they have to go get a transfer every year.

You all can read what ever reports that are out there but this year when they brought Sam in there was NEVER an open competition.
There wasn't an open competition in the fall, but there was in the spring but anyone with common sense knew it was NOT buchner.

I don't think the expectation is you MUST have 4 scholarship QBs in the fall, it's that you need to have 4 in the spring in case someone transfers out after. If Angeli or Minchey know they're running 3rd at best after the spring, one could easily transfer. You don't want to be left with 2 QBs in the fall.
 

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I don't think the expectation is you MUST have 4 scholarship QBs in the fall, it's that you need to have 4 in the spring in case someone transfers out after. If Angeli or Minchey know they're running 3rd at best after the spring, one could easily transfer. You don't want to be left with 2 QBs in the fall.
The tricky part is that adding a 4th scholarship QB for ND means accepting a grad transfer and no grad transfer worth anything would agree to come without being guaranteed the job. Which, might be fine in a scenario like last year when Buchner was decidedly not the guy. However, with Angeli, Minchey and Carr I think we want those guys legitimately competing for the job in the spring instead of going through a predetermined "competition."
 

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I really don’t think it is all that possible to keep 3 scholarship QB’s anymore. And if so only for a very short time period. These guys aren’t going to sit around and wait for emergencies to happen. End of story! And a portal guy isn’t coming here unless he knows he is going to start of has a high percentage to start. Which then means someone is going to leave which would probably be Steve. Then your back then comes in and even has less experience than Steve does.

And one of these QB’s has to be a hit our it’s going to affect your recruiting of QB’s. Other teams are going to be like see they can’t develop you they have to go get a transfer every year.

You all can read what ever reports that are out there but this year when they brought Sam in there was NEVER an open competition.
Of course there wasn't, but the delta in experience/quality between Buchner/Pyne and Hartman was probably larger than the delta between Angeli/Minchey and whatever QB we bring in next. Because there isn't a Hartman out there this year, unless maybe if it's Pratt or the K State guy.

Some generic P5 starter (somebody like Devin O'Leary or Plummer at Louisville, this year) would still give us a serviceable QB who has some football under their belt to walk in to A&M, but not someone who's such an alpha dog that Angeli/Minchey would have no hope of overtaking them. I think that may be the sweet spot here.
 

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The tricky part is that adding a 4th scholarship QB for ND means accepting a grad transfer and no grad transfer worth anything would agree to come without being guaranteed the job. Which, might be fine in a scenario like last year when Buchner was decidedly not the guy. However, with Angeli, Minchey and Carr I think we want those guys legitimately competing for the job in the spring instead of going through a predetermined "competition."
It's definitely an interesting situation really the staff can only answer

1. Are you truly confident Angeli or Minchey can win at A&M to start next year (not media coach speak confident)? If no, you need a grad transfer. If yes, you look deep down in someone that's a grad transfer, not looking for nfl, and would appreciate a free ND year and to be on the team providing depth. Personally, I don't know how you could say yes to 1 right now behind closed doors.

2. If Carr clearly shows more potential than Minchey and Angeli how do you want to play him as a true frosh? Work him in with Angeli/Minchey if either is the starter? Work him in with Grad Transfer?

I think the coaches need to be looking at a few things. A QB ready to go into one of the toughest environments and win next year. Minchey/Carr/Angeli will not be experienced or ready for that. Is one of those 3 the long term QB and how do you get them real PT next year to prepare for 2024 if you get a grad transfer. A young inexperienced QB with possibly 2 brand new inexperienced tackles is not the recipe to score points in college station.

One other question, do you truly believe you can be a contender in 2024 even with a loss to A&M? That could be a situation where you know a Carr/minchey/Angeli is the man, and you're willing to throw them to the wolves to gain experience and help later in the year
 

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No, but Angeli should get considerable playing time against Stanford. With that defense, there’s no reason Notre Dame shouldn’t score 50+.
The reason that we very likely may not is that we underperform almost every time we travel to Palo Alto
 

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As he is not a grad transfer ND doesn’t take them.
They can take players who are 1 year out of HS, so Johnson would probably be able to get through admissions. ND Football and ND Basketball have each taken 1 transfer from Northwestern who was more than 1 year out of HS but didn't have their degree. Brandon Joseph was at Northwestern for 3 years and didn't have his degree, and Julian Roper was at Northwestern for 2 years and didn't have his degree. That leads me to believe that ND is able to get non-grad transfers, who are more than 1 year out of HS, into school as long as they're from an elite academic institution like Northwestern. Riley Leonard wasn't a EE and will probably not have his degree in a few weeks, but there seems to be a lot of smoke that ND will go after him if he hits the portal. Since he goes to Duke, another elite academic institution, that would line up with how they got Brandon Joseph through admissions. I would assume the same could be said for any non-grad transfer who is more than 1 year out of HS from programs like Stanford and Vanderbilt, which are also elite academic institutions.
 

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If ND plays like they are capable of playing there's no reason that Angeli shouldn't see a solid quarter of action, minimum. If they can manage a better first half than last week they can even hopefully pull Sam sooner than last week.
 

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No, but Angeli should get considerable playing time against Stanford. With that defense, there’s no reason Notre Dame shouldn’t score 50+.
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You sure about that?
 

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If you can get Colin Klein and Will Howard in a package deal you gotta do it right?
I'd say yes, but the question is will Freeman involve the QB's in the room in the next OC search? Maybe they were joking, but the II folks were saying that the short QB's on the roster last year didn't like Klein.
 

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No, but Angeli should get considerable playing time against Stanford. With that defense, there’s no reason Notre Dame shouldn’t score 50+.
Sure if ND’s offense had any consistency whatsoever. When has ND strung back-to-back offensive performances that were impressive vs Power 5 teams and one of the those games being on the road?
 

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I'd say yes, but the question is will Freeman involve the QB's in the room in the next OC search? Maybe they were joking, but the II folks were saying that the short QB's on the roster last year didn't like Klein.
I don't think they were joking. But I also took it as a thinly veiled shot at Buchner.

Including the QBs in the interview was asinine I can't believe Freeman did that.
 

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How a QB handles pressure, emotional ups and downs, etc is supremely important but Angeli does not look even a little intimidated by the defender barreling down on him as he lets the ball go for Faison. I think he has great poise and if we can develop an OL to protect him, he might be the future. I also hope Minchey can challenge :)

 

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Exactly. Lose to lowly Stanford…again…and MF will feel some heat going into next season. Nature of the beast

You also simply cannot run the risk of going 8-5. If Freeman goes 9-4 and then 8-5, it's going to be REALLY tough to sell recruits that the future is brighter with MF.

You go 9-4 year 1 followed by 10-3 year 2, you can sell to recruits that year three is when the step up to the big boys happens (and a favorable schedule sets up nicely for that).
 

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If Howard isn’t a grad, I don’t see how ND admits him. Regardless, I think the Klein boat has sailed. It’s Gerad Parker or bust.
I think it's still in port actually. Sampson and the II guys have been dropping lots of Klein hints.
 

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I think it's still in port actually. Sampson and the II guys have been dropping lots of Klein hints.

Did some research on Klein's contract, it's pretty favorable for Notre Dame

Klein, who earned $600,000 last year, interviewed for the offensive coordinator job at Notre Dame but (obviously) turned it down. That experience did not inspire AD Gene Taylor to attach a pair of golden handcuffs to his offensive coordinator; Klein's buyout should he leave for a non-Big 12 coordinator job is just two months' salary, roughly $138,000.
 

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If you bring Klein in, do you move Parker back to TE coach (which he’s actually really good at) & let Gino go at QB Coach since Klein is already a QB coach too?
 

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If you bring Klein in, do you move Parker back to TE coach (which he’s actually really good at) & let Gino go at QB Coach since Klein is already a QB coach too?
That's the real tragedy in all this. Bringing in an OC that coaches anything other than TE results in someone other than Parker losing their job.
 

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That's the real tragedy in all this. Bringing in an OC that coaches anything other than TE results in someone other than Parker losing their job.
Parker is a really good TE Coach though.
If I was looking at position coaches by just coaching their position, Parker is one I would want to keep.
 

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Just to throw out a total hypothetical, but one that is realistic in the coaching world - Gino could already be lining up his own OC gig somewhere and Freeman knows that.

Ideally you can keep Parker at TEs then.
 

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That's the real tragedy in all this. Bringing in an OC that coaches anything other than TE results in someone other than Parker losing their job.
I'm fine with Stuckey coaching TEs. Jury is still out on Gino and Rudolph I think, but they get at least another year. RBs have been great, can't lose Deland. It's gotta be Parker. ND will be fine without a dedicated TE coach, it can be done with an analyst.
 

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I'm fine with Stuckey coaching TEs. Jury is still out on Gino and Rudolph I think, but they get at least another year. RBs have been great, can't lose Deland. It's gotta be Parker. ND will be fine without a dedicated TE coach, it can be done with an analyst.
But if it's Klein, it has to be Gino who gets the boot.

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