'20 VA APB Chris Tyree (Notre Dame Signee)

[Circa]

Yes sir it is. And my point has been made by the response you received. Like you, I’ve been an Irish fan for many decades and am very disappointed in the results thus far this year but don’t feel the need to tee off on every single issue and then continue to go back to the same points over and over and over again.

Isn't this Keith from Inside the Irish on NBC....?

 

[PutuporShutup]

Just because people aren't constantly criticizing doesn't mean they care less than you. I have no idea how old you are, but I would guess your dad wasn't even born when I became an Irish fan, but my point is this. Focus on where you believe the real problem is and offer constructive criticism instead of nitpicking every mistake and posting something negative in damn near every thread.

Apparently my satire is appreciated by Me2.

Keep family out of this!!! Lol, I joke because someone made fun of me for saying freeman having 6 kids and a stay at home wife was so 50s in comparing his offensive philosophy

The real problem is a combination of play calling and prep/coaching. Parker clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing calling in game, but just as critical is his inability to coach and develop the offense to execute his plays… to freeman’s point on execution, Parker did call some really great plays (a few) and we flat out made some terrible mental mistakes that shouldn’t happen. OCs are typically looked at for their game days calls but they are also responsible for the entire offensive unit a a whole learning and executing the plays.

Example, I didn’t care for Rees as a play caller but we executed his plays pretty darn well. You didn’t see as many mental mistakes or confusion

Let’s get a good coach and play caller

 

[PutuporShutup]

Yes sir it is. And my point has been made by the response you received. Like you, I’ve been an Irish fan for many decades and am very disappointed in the results thus far this year but don’t feel the need to tee off on every single issue and then continue to go back to the same points over and over and over again.

You got something else to do on a bye week?

Seriously though, when a team craps the bed going into a bye week, this is common type of discussion… not shocking it didn’t happen after usc

 

[Me2SouthBend]

You got something else to do on a bye week?

Seriously though, when a team craps the bed going into a bye week, this is common type of discussion… not shocking it didn’t happen after usc

If only you’d limit your internet vomit to a bye week.

 

[Irish#1]

If only you’d limit your internet vomit to a bye week.

One can dream.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Isn't this Keith from Inside the Irish on NBC....?

Ah yes from back in the day. Circa 2011. Pun intended.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

You got something else to do on a bye week?

Seriously though, when a team craps the bed going into a bye week, this is common type of discussion… not shocking it didn’t happen after usc

I guess the question would be, what part of you think every coach, player and person associated with the team sucks do you think we dont understand already that you need to rehash it 50 times a day in every thread? It changes nothing, but i think any one of us that spends hours a week on a ND Football message board cares about the team and wants better results.
The point of a board is obviously discussion and to talk ND football with maybe some balance. Critique shortcomings, talk recruiting, what our opinions are on certain topics, etc. To go scorched earth in every single thread every day ragging on the coaches and players and accusing those who don't of not caring or having low standards doesn’t mean you care more, or know more. It just means you’re a miserable asshole.

 

[Circa]

Ah yes from back in the day. Circa 2011. Pun intended.

Finally got the goods. I always thought It was you... I was mef811 at that time.

I would get excited when you would have the game day threads... and post my vitriol

It was Circa 2008-11.. No pun intended.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I guess the question would be, what part of you think every coach, player and person associated with the team sucks do you think we dont understand already that you need to rehash it 50 times a day in every thread? It changes nothing, but i think any one of us that spends hours a week on a ND Football message board cares about the team and wants better results.
The point of a board is obviously discussion and to talk ND football with maybe some balance. Critique shortcomings, talk recruiting, what our opinions are on certain topics, etc. To go scorched earth in every single thread every day ragging on the coaches and players and accusing those who don't of not caring or having low standards doesn’t mean you care more, or know more. It just means you’re a miserable asshole.

Actually there is some having very good discussions on our short comings… then there’s your group that can’t handle discussing a player that’s not good or not playing well.

We are a 3 loss team this year with an easier schedule than expected … not sure what you expect to be discussed?

 

[stlnd01]

Actually there is some having very good discussions on our short comings… then there’s your group that can’t handle discussing a player that’s not good or not playing well.

We are a 3 loss team this year with an easier schedule than expected … not sure what you expect to be discussed?

In this thread? How about the prospect of a Tyree transfer, which was new this week.

It'd be too bad, as it feels like we could use some veteran leadership next year on the offensive side of the ball, and he'd bring that. He hasn't exactly shown himself to be irreplaceable as a WR but I'd like to see what he could do with another year under his belt. That said if he wants to try and develop his WR skills in a more dynamic passing offense - or just try someplace different for his last year of college ball - I couldn't exactly blame the guy. He has done his part for Notre Dame.

 

[irishnd31]

I guess the question would be, what part of you think every coach, player and person associated with the team sucks do you think we dont understand already that you need to rehash it 50 times a day in every thread? It changes nothing, but i think any one of us that spends hours a week on a ND Football message board cares about the team and wants better results.
The point of a board is obviously discussion and to talk ND football with maybe some balance. Critique shortcomings, talk recruiting, what our opinions are on certain topics, etc. To go scorched earth in every single thread every day ragging on the coaches and players and accusing those who don't of not caring or having low standards doesn’t mean you care more, or know more. It just means you’re a miserable asshole.

 

[PutuporShutup]

In this thread? How about the prospect of a Tyree transfer, which was new this week.

It'd be too bad, as it feels like we could use some veteran leadership next year on the offensive side of the ball, and he'd bring that. He hasn't exactly shown himself to be irreplaceable as a WR but I'd like to see what he could do with another year under his belt. That said if he wants to try and develop his WR skills in a more dynamic passing offense - or just try someplace different for his last year of college ball - I couldn't exactly blame the guy. He has done his part for Notre Dame.

Yep, i'd like him back but again, we're mis using him and faison. Probably our two best WRs (that tells you something). Faison hardly plays and we're running some weird routes with tyree that make it tough for a small wr to get open. I still can not believe we haven't had him motion to the backfield for one single hand off this year. If he comes back you have 4 slot wrs next year on the roster in greathouse, rico, tyree, faison. Weird situation.

I think Faison is why tyree moves on.

 

[PutuporShutup]

 

[Irish#1]

Actually there is some having very good discussions on our short comings… then there’s your group that can’t handle discussing a player that’s not good or not playing well.

We are a 3 loss team this year with an easier schedule than expected … not sure what you expect to be discussed?

I guess you just don't get it and never will.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I guess you just don't get it and never will.

I will never get people being ok losing, you are correct. Number of ND fans I saw walking out of clemson stadium not pissed off, alarming.

Then our head coach a few days later talking about how much good we did in the game, and it was just a few plays that cost ND, and how this season isn't a failure.

We don't have a consistent winning culture under freeman right now.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I will never get people being ok losing, you are correct. Number of ND fans I saw walking out of clemson stadium not pissed off, alarming.

Then our head coach a few days later talking about how much good we did in the game, and it was just a few plays that cost ND, and how this season isn't a failure.

We don't have a consistent winning culture under freeman right now.

Rinse. Repeat.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Rinse. Repeat.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I will never get people being ok losing, you are correct. Number of ND fans I saw walking out of clemson stadium not pissed off, alarming.

Then our head coach a few days later talking about how much good we did in the game, and it was just a few plays that cost ND, and how this season isn't a failure.

We don't have a consistent winning culture under freeman right now.

So if I’m a fan exiting the stadium, I can be frustrated about the performance w/o being visibly “pissed off”. That just shows the inability to control one’s emotions over a college football team. That’s not healthy. Especially if one carries that over to their family. People are struggling w/ legit health issues, job loss, loss of loved ones, etc. A football team, college or pro; shouldn’t be the source of one’s joy to the point that their day is ruined over a bad performance. I’ve been that guy before I realized it’s silly to let the performance of 18-22 year olds dictate my happiness.

I’m sure we’ve all been guilty of a rehash or redundant comment on this board. At the end of the day, however; we don’t have the luxury of knowing what is said in coaches meetings. We don’t know the extent of injuries. From the outside looking in, it looks like an easy fix. I’ve been an ND fan since the tail end of the Devine era. Trust me, in all this time; there‘s never been an “easy fix”. It’s been better (Holtz era) but it’s mostly been worse. I’ve chosen not to worry about what I can’t control. There’s no way on Earth that I have any control over the decisions & performance made by coaches & players of a college football program.

Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk

 

[Irish#1]

I will never get people being ok losing, you are correct. Number of ND fans I saw walking out of clemson stadium not pissed off, alarming.

Then our head coach a few days later talking about how much good we did in the game, and it was just a few plays that cost ND, and how this season isn't a failure.

We don't have a consistent winning culture under freeman right now.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[NDohio]

So if I’m a fan exiting the stadium, I can be frustrated about the performance w/o being visibly “pissed off”. That just shows the inability to control one’s emotions over a college football team. That’s not healthy. Especially if one carries that over to their family. People are struggling w/ legit health issues, job loss, loss of loved ones, etc. A football team, college or pro; shouldn’t be the source of one’s joy to the point that their day is ruined over a bad performance. I’ve been that guy before I realized it’s silly to let the performance of 18-22 year olds dictate my happiness.

I’m sure we’ve all been guilty of a rehash or redundant comment on this board. At the end of the day, however; we don’t have the luxury of knowing what is said in coaches meetings. We don’t know the extent of injuries. From the outside looking in, it looks like an easy fix. I’ve been an ND fan since the tail end of the Devine era. Trust me, in all this time; there‘s never been an “easy fix”. It’s been better (Holtz era) but it’s mostly been worse. I’ve chosen not to worry about what I can’t control. There’s no way on Earth that I have any control over the decisions & performance made by coaches & players of a college football program.

Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk

Yep. ND lost to Clemson last Saturday but it was a fantastic day. My wife and I reconnected with a lot of old friends that we hadn't seen in years and a great time was had by all. ND losing was disappointing, but life that day was wonderful.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Yep. ND lost to Clemson last Saturday but it was a fantastic day. My wife and I reconnected with a lot of old friends that we hadn't seen in years and a great time was had by all. ND losing was disappointing, but life that day was wonderful.

Unless your screen name is Torpedo Vegas, I mean Putupor shut your pie hole.

 

[PutuporShutup]

So if I’m a fan exiting the stadium, I can be frustrated about the performance w/o being visibly “pissed off”. That just shows the inability to control one’s emotions over a college football team. That’s not healthy. Especially if one carries that over to their family. People are struggling w/ legit health issues, job loss, loss of loved ones, etc. A football team, college or pro; shouldn’t be the source of one’s joy to the point that their day is ruined over a bad performance. I’ve been that guy before I realized it’s silly to let the performance of 18-22 year olds dictate my happiness.

I’m sure we’ve all been guilty of a rehash or redundant comment on this board. At the end of the day, however; we don’t have the luxury of knowing what is said in coaches meetings. We don’t know the extent of injuries. From the outside looking in, it looks like an easy fix. I’ve been an ND fan since the tail end of the Devine era. Trust me, in all this time; there‘s never been an “easy fix”. It’s been better (Holtz era) but it’s mostly been worse. I’ve chosen not to worry about what I can’t control. There’s no way on Earth that I have any control over the decisions & performance made by coaches & players of a college football program.

Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk

What about the performance of 30-50 year olds? Can you at least be pissed at them! ha

Your point is accurate though. My comments around post clemson was fans that I talked to after the game accepting the loss and going back to the "we can't ever win a championship so why should we care". I completely disagree with that notion. Personally, i'm not looking for a fan base to be like the eagles fans are, but one that collectively expects more out of the program than what we are getting when you hire someone(s) completely unqualified.

It is NOT easy to win a championship, you know that, i know that, we all know that (in a rocky IV voice). But you don't have a chance with some of the self inflicted wounds/deficiencies that have been allowed to transpire with the coaching staff, how it's built, and even handling of some players. There's no formula i have or know of on what MUST be done. What is easy is clearly see what CAN'T happen, or where we're clearly deficient.

Appreciate allowing me to rant as well.

 

[Bluto]

I will never get people being ok losing, you are correct. Number of ND fans I saw walking out of clemson stadium not pissed off, alarming.

Then our head coach a few days later talking about how much good we did in the game, and it was just a few plays that cost ND, and how this season isn't a failure.

We don't have a consistent winning culture under freeman right now.

Being “pissed off” and “alarmed” that others aren’t pissed off enough over a game you have absolutely no control over…ummm…yeah…sure.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Being “pissed off” and “alarmed” that others aren’t pissed off enough over a game you have absolutely no control over…ummm…yeah…sure.

Guess you haven't attended a game where Bama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State lose. Don't care about those schools or their fans but I appreciate their expectation of greatness.

It's alarming that so much of our fan base doesn't demand and expect more.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Guess you haven't attended a game where Bama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State lose. Don't care about those schools or their fans but I appreciate their expectation of greatness.

It's alarming that so much of our fan base doesn't demand and expect more.

Expecting more, and throwing a tantrum in every single thread that everybody else isnt also throwing a tantrum are two very different things. I have incredibly high expectations and aspirations for the football team. It does not mean you are providing value to the board by trying to pillage everybody into showing their expectations the same way you express yours…by bitching and complaining in very thread to prove we match your level of “care” and “expertise”.

 

[stlnd01]

Guess you haven't attended a game where Bama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State lose. Don't care about those schools or their fans but I appreciate their expectation of greatness.

It's alarming that so much of our fan base doesn't demand and expect more.

When I was a younger man I'd throw my share of hissy fits after a loss. Oddly it didn't seem to help our football team win games.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Expecting more, and throwing a tantrum in every single thread that everybody else isnt also throwing a tantrum are two very different things. I have incredibly high expectations and aspirations for the football team. It does not mean you are providing value to the board by trying to pillage everybody into showing their expectations the same way you express yours…by bitching and complaining in very thread to prove we match your level of “care” and “expertise”.

The only tantrum is you and a few others constantly complaining about continuous discussions on NDs obvious deficiencies. You know, common message board football talk around opportunities with players and coaches needing improvement.

hate to tell ya this, thought it was obvious, but the discussions will continue until they're changed.

In all seriousness, what do you come to the message board hoping to discuss? What movies you've watched recently? I don't get worked up over this but I enjoy and know football, especially ND football, and I enjoy discussing what needs to improve/change to get to a championship caliber team. I honestly thought we'd have one this year, I was wrong at a few key spots.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

The only tantrum is you and a few others constantly complaining about continuous discussions on NDs obvious deficiencies. You know, common message board football talk around opportunities with players and coaches needing improvement.

hate to tell ya this, thought it was obvious, but the discussions will continue until they're changed.

In all seriousness, what do you come to the message board hoping to discuss? What movies you've watched recently? I don't get worked up over this but I enjoy and know football, especially ND football, and I enjoy discussing what needs to improve/change to get to a championship caliber team. I honestly thought we'd have one this year, I was wrong at a few key spots.

Balance man. Thats all I and probably most others who keep calling you out are asking for. Some balance and not repeating the same thing over and over and over again. That is not “discussion” It gets exhausting reading the constant ragging on everything. We are 7-3. It is not what any of us want, but surely SOMETHING good has happened this season that can be discussed without a “but…enter something negative”. It does not mean you accept or are Ok with the final product on the field if you discuss some positives too.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Balance man. Thats all I and probably most others who keep calling you out are asking for. Some balance and not repeating the same thing over and over and over again. That is not “discussion” It gets exhausting reading the constant ragging on everything. We are 7-3. It is not what any of us want, but surely SOMETHING good has happened this season that can be discussed without a “but…enter something negative”. It does not mean you accept or are Ok with the final product on the field if you discuss some positives too.

I think a lot of us myself included thought maybe something clicked with usc and Pitt game but clearly not… a lot of positive talk 3 weeks leading into Clemson

 

[Lberry]

I will never get people being ok losing, you are correct. Number of ND fans I saw walking out of clemson stadium not pissed off, alarming.

Then our head coach a few days later talking about how much good we did in the game, and it was just a few plays that cost ND, and how this season isn't a failure.

We don't have a consistent winning culture under freeman right now.

Lots of folks with low standards. Easy to please, low bar setters. Just wondering if ND/MF are among them. Seems that way.

I have far more respect for ND football program than the average fan. With respect comes standards.