Foreign Policy

IRISHDODGER · Oct 29, 2023

That’s funny I don’t care who you are…

PerthDomer · Oct 29, 2023

Irish#1 said:
Regardless of which way you lean, Trump did a pretty good job of keeping things somewhat quiet in the ME and Ukraine.

Russia and Ukraine had been in a continuous low level conflict post 2014 with fighting over the donbas throughout his term. We got frequent attacks on our guys in Iraq/Syria (a number of guys got TBI's after we offed Soleimani.

Afganistan quieted down after we let them know we were leaving under Trump.

Even when we've been at peace we're always involved in a lot of low level conflict. In Ukraine we've lost no soldiers and are bleeding a rival dry/getting Europe to finally contribute to its security.

In Israel we're helping an ally, but are mostly providing intel/stopping Israel from doing anything rash.

Trump had one crisis he didn't cause *the pandemic). He did poorly with that. I'd hate to see his response to an honest to God external foreign policy crisis. Especially with an admi. That doesn't have anyone left from the old school defense establishment (likely in term 2).

drayer54 · Oct 29, 2023

PerthDomer said:
Trump had one crisis he didn't cause *the pandemic). He did poorly with that. I'd hate to see his response to an honest to God external foreign policy crisis. Especially with an admi. That doesn't have anyone left from the old school defense establishment (likely in term 2).

More people died under Biden with three vaccines inherited and he tried to fire people who didn’t get the vaccine, politicized the CDC to zero credibility, and let politically motivated people spread disinformation from the WH.

Biden has failed on everything he’s touched, especially overseas. Not wild about a second term Trump, but I’d take it over this crap.

calvegas04 · Oct 29, 2023

Irish#1 · Oct 29, 2023

PerthDomer said:
Russia and Ukraine had been in a continuous low level conflict post 2014 with fighting over the donbas throughout his term. We got frequent attacks on our guys in Iraq/Syria (a number of guys got TBI's after we offed Soleimani.

Afganistan quieted down after we let them know we were leaving under Trump.

Even when we've been at peace we're always involved in a lot of low level conflict. In Ukraine we've lost no soldiers and are bleeding a rival dry/getting Europe to finally contribute to its security.

In Israel we're helping an ally, but are mostly providing intel/stopping Israel from doing anything rash.

Trump had one crisis he didn't cause *the pandemic). He did poorly with that. I'd hate to see his response to an honest to God external foreign policy crisis. Especially with an admi. That doesn't have anyone left from the old school defense establishment (likely in term 2).

I said “somewhat quiet”, but go on.

drayer54 · Oct 29, 2023

T'was but a peaceful protest. Nothing in comparison to those bastard proud boys! - AP, basically.

GATTACA! · Oct 30, 2023

drayer54 said:
T'was but a peaceful protest. Nothing in comparison to those bastard proud boys! - AP, basically.

Someone should have told them the Nazi's were inside Russia, not Ukraine.

Irish#1 · Oct 30, 2023

I am surprised at the volume of protests everywhere.

IrishLax · Oct 30, 2023

Irish#1 said:
I am surprised at the volume of protests everywhere.

It’s just continues to reinforce for me how “gone” the far left wing types are on some issues. These are the kind of people they are out there supporting with no semblance of shame:

You see insane stuff on college campuses where you can get disciplined for accidentally using the wrong pronoun but burning children alive is “justified.”

Irish#1 · Oct 30, 2023

IrishLax said:
It’s just continues to reinforce for me how “gone” the far left wing types are on some issues. These are the kind of people they are out there supporting with no semblance of shame:

You see insane stuff on college campuses where you can get disciplined for accidentally using the wrong pronoun but burning children alive is “justified.”

And I don't understand it. Most of this is reactionary without giving it much thought. Just wanting to hop on that train without checking where its going.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/29/us/cornell-university-antisemetic-threats-online-investigation/index.html

PerthDomer · Oct 30, 2023

IrishLax said:
It’s just continues to reinforce for me how “gone” the far left wing types are on some issues. These are the kind of people they are out there supporting with no semblance of shame:

You see insane stuff on college campuses where you can get disciplined for accidentally using the wrong pronoun but burning children alive is “justified.”

The upside on the left is this has fueled a bunch of primary challenges against the anti Israeli types in a few seats. The nut job left really exposed themselves on this.

IRISHDODGER · Oct 30, 2023

PerthDomer said:
Russia and Ukraine had been in a continuous low level conflict post 2014 with fighting over the donbas throughout his term. We got frequent attacks on our guys in Iraq/Syria (a number of guys got TBI's after we offed Soleimani.

Afganistan quieted down after we let them know we were leaving under Trump.

Even when we've been at peace we're always involved in a lot of low level conflict. In Ukraine we've lost no soldiers and are bleeding a rival dry/getting Europe to finally contribute to its security.

In Israel we're helping an ally, but are mostly providing intel/stopping Israel from doing anything rash.

Trump had one crisis he didn't cause *the pandemic). He did poorly with that. I'd hate to see his response to an honest to God external foreign policy crisis. Especially with an admi. That doesn't have anyone left from the old school defense establishment (likely in term 2).

I think both sides continue to split hairs & post unarguable articles that “prove” their idiot is better than the other. How anyone can say either of these two is good for America is beyond me. It’s like arguing w/ SEC fans.

IRISHDODGER · Oct 30, 2023

Irish#1 said:
And I don't understand it. Most of this is reactionary without giving it much thought. Just wanting to hop on that train without checking where its going.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/29/us/cornell-university-antisemetic-threats-online-investigation/index.html

They don’t know &/or understand the history and think it’s truly over land. It’s not.

PerthDomer · Oct 30, 2023

IRISHDODGER said:
I think both sides continue to split hairs & post unarguable articles that “prove” their idiot is better than the other. How anyone can say either of these two is good for America is beyond me. It’s like arguing w/ SEC fans.

The dems voted for Biden because he was their best shot of beating Trump the 1st time. They're sticking with him because he minimizes the chances of an acrimonious primary or a squad adjacent person from winning the primary.

If the Republicans want to win they should nominate Haley. She's set up to wipe the floor with Biden, but I think Biden/the dems thought is that minimizing the chance of a Trump presidency vs winning vs. The R field is the most important thing.

Irish#1 · Oct 30, 2023

PerthDomer said:
The dems voted for Biden because he was their best shot of beating Trump the 1st time. They're sticking with him because he minimizes the chances of an acrimonious primary or a squad adjacent person from winning the primary.

If the Republicans want to win they should nominate Haley. She's set up to wipe the floor with Biden, but I think Biden/the dems thought is that minimizing the chance of a Trump presidency vs winning vs. The R field is the most important thing.

Listening today, it sounds like she could turn out to be the one that beats Donnie. Just need for the other candidates to drop out sooner rather than later.

drayer54 · Oct 30, 2023

Weapons, not money.

Irish#1 · Oct 31, 2023

The opportunists always show up during a war.

BleedingGold · Oct 31, 2023

drayer54 said:
More people died under Biden with three vaccines inherited and he tried to fire people who didn’t get the vaccine, politicized the CDC to zero credibility, and let politically motivated people spread disinformation from the WH.

Biden has failed on everything he’s touched, especially overseas. Not wild about a second term Trump, but I’d take it over this crap.

Couldn’t sum up my feelings much better.

Irish#1 · Oct 31, 2023

BleedingGold said:
Couldn’t sum up my feelings much better.

C’mon man

IRISHDODGER · Oct 31, 2023

PerthDomer said:
The dems voted for Biden because he was their best shot of beating Trump the 1st time. They're sticking with him because he minimizes the chances of an acrimonious primary or a squad adjacent person from winning the primary.

If the Republicans want to win they should nominate Haley. She's set up to wipe the floor with Biden, but I think Biden/the dems thought is that minimizing the chance of a Trump presidency vs winning vs. The R field is the most important thing.

America deserves better but it gets worse every election.Whether it’s a bowl of shit or a shit sandwich we get told to eat shit.

IrishLax · Oct 31, 2023

Thank god for the First Amendment:

IRISHDODGER · Oct 31, 2023

drayer54 · Oct 31, 2023

Community notes are amazing.

ab2cmiller · Nov 1, 2023

As if there was really any doubt. A 2 state solution will not work.

drayer54 · Nov 1, 2023

ab2cmiller said:
As if there was really any doubt. A 2 state solution will not work.

Hey, will you have a ceasefire with these people determined to make your country 100% dead?

Bold take for a man with 30% favorability.

IRISHDODGER · Nov 2, 2023

Irish#1 · Nov 2, 2023

ab2cmiller said:
As if there was really any doubt. A 2 state solution will not work.

There's no gray area there.

dublinirish · Nov 2, 2023

lol

TorontoGold · Nov 2, 2023

dublinirish said:
lol

This is neoliberal antisemitism.

Irish#1 · Nov 2, 2023

TorontoGold said:
This is neoliberal antisemitism.

Glad you finally see the light.

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