Foreign Policy

[DillonHall]

They are certainly suffering from their leaderships ability to 'never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity '.

From rejecting the partition and living alongside jews in 1947 to rejecting 93% of the west bank as a palestinian state to rewarding Israel for pulling all jews out of gaza and ending their occupation by electing Hamas, suicide bombers and rocket fire.

These people are hell-bent on destroying Israel. All of their decisions are based on that goal.

Meanwhile, Israel vs Palestine is the rare liberal vs. liberal cat fight in America. Entertaining so far and only getting better with all the outrage regarding the Ivys

 

[calvegas04]

Clearly Hamas/Palestine is lying, no way 1000 people died in this blast plus no crater which would have been there if it was an IDF missile

 

[ulukinatme]

Clearly Hamas/Palestine is lying, no way 1000 people died in this blast plus no crater which would have been there if it was an IDF missile

That's a pretty decent thread with before and after photos and IDF explosion comparisons. Not sure you're always going to get a crater like the one shown, but I would also expect a lot more damage to that parking lot and surrounding buildings had it been an IDF missile.

 

[Irish#1]

CNN is reporting that it looks more like Hamas launched and there was a misfire.

 

[Sea Turtle]

 

[ab2cmiller]

Clearly Hamas/Palestine is lying, no way 1000 people died in this blast plus no crater which would have been there if it was an IDF missile

A decent summary of some of the newer information in the tweet below (including the tweet you posted). Like you said, buildings appear to be intact. The big fireball that we saw appears to have been the result of part of a missile landing in a full parking lot with no significant crater.

There are reports that there were people probably gathered in the area outside of the hospital as it was viewed as a safe haven. That certainly meant more deaths than normal. I can't imagine it being 1,000, but who knows.

Click on the tweet to read the whole thread.



Still waiting for independent confirmation on most of the important matters.

One thing I know for certain is that headlines like Reuters, BBC, Al Jazeera, NY Times put out immediately were not helpful and were inflammatory. Yes they put a little tag at the end "according to xyz". But in reality, people only paid attention to the "Israeli air strike kills".

Here's the NY Times headline that they changed over time. SMH

 

[Irish#1]

These news services are rushing to be the first to report and it isn’t helping with the public.

 

[Blazers46]

These news services are rushing to be the first to report and it isn’t helping with the public.

Especially when some of that public are licking their chops to repost and echo these reports. The last 24 hours on this thread is the example.

 

[ulukinatme]

Especially when some of that public are licking their chops to repost and echo these reports. The last 24 hours on this thread is the example.

It's a stark reminder that anything that comes out of Hamas run organizations in Palestine should be taken with a grain of salt and questioned until independent verification can be done. It's just one reason why gullible kids in our universities and others have unfavorable views towards Israel, they've been fed a lot of lies put out by Hamas and their supporters.

 

[GATTACA!]

It's a stark reminder that anything that comes out of Hamas run organizations in Palestine should be taken with a grain of salt and questioned until independent verification can be done. It's just one reason why gullible kids in our universities and others have unfavorable views towards Israel, they've been fed a lot of lies put out by Hamas and their supporters.

It’s not just kids in universities, I know a guy from Toronto that’s the same way. 😉

 

[TorontoGold]

It’s not just kids in universities, I know a guy from Toronto that’s the same way. 😉

I just trust the IDF to follow through on what they say and do, we know they warned hospitals and that they've bombed them before. Seems crazy to think that if they had the kind of missiles to do this damage you'd expect to see them actually use at least one of them on an Israeli target.

Silly me! I'm not going to get admonished by the same folks who dream up grand conspiracies every time something happens that "oh actually Joe Biden is behind this", if it turns out I'm wrong about this then I'll gladly admit it because believe it or not I'm not on team Hamas. I think kids getting blown to bits is pretty horrific.



It's shit like this that makes my blood boil. Where the fuck are the moral arbiters like @tussin who claimed I was bordering on anti-semitism? This ghoul is celebrating that innocent people are dying. I don't want to hear from anyone about how "every life is precious" if they are only going to respond to me about my comments but not someone who's actively cheering for destruction of kids. Celebrate terrorists being killed, but children being blown to bits isn't it. Will anyone call him out? Likely not.

The Palestinians are getting exactly what they deserve. I'm just relieved that pussy Biden is not getting in Israel's way

(@GATTACA! this post is just my ramble and not directed at you bbg)

 

[ulukinatme]

I just trust the IDF to follow through on what they say and do, we know they warned hospitals and that they've bombed them before. Seems crazy to think that if they had the kind of missiles to do this damage you'd expect to see them actually use at least one of them on an Israeli target.

Silly me! I'm not going to get admonished by the same folks who dream up grand conspiracies every time something happens that "oh actually Joe Biden is behind this", if it turns out I'm wrong about this then I'll gladly admit it because believe it or not I'm not on team Hamas. I think kids getting blown to bits is pretty horrific.



It's shit like this that makes my blood boil. Where the fuck are the moral arbiters like @tussin who claimed I was bordering on anti-semitism? This ghoul is celebrating that innocent people are dying. I don't want to hear from anyone about how "every life is precious" if they are only going to respond to me about my comments but not someone who's actively cheering for destruction of kids. Celebrate terrorists being killed, but children being blown to bits isn't it. Will anyone call him out? Likely not.


(@GATTACA! this post is just my ramble and not directed at you bbg)

US currently assesses that Israel is ‘not responsible’ for Gaza hospital blast​

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/18/politics/us-intel-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html

I'll call it out if you're willing to admit you falsely accused Israel for attacking the hospital in the first place.

 

[TorontoGold]

US currently assesses that Israel is ‘not responsible’ for Gaza hospital blast​

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/18/politics/us-intel-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html

I'll call it out if you're willing to admit you falsely accused Israel for attacking the hospital in the first place.

From the article

Still, the blast analysis is just one of the things being examined by the intelligence community, which has surged intelligence collection assets to the region. US intelligence officials have not made a final assessment and are still gathering evidence, the officials said.

In addition to the blast analysis, the initial US assessment was based on overhead imagery collected from US satellites and intelligence intercepts provided by the Israelis, according to officials.

Current and former law enforcement officials say US the assessment of the cause of the blast is being hampered because of the lack of access to the site and analysis of the bodies recovered. FBI teams can typically use samples from the scene to, within hours, identify the rocket fuel and explosives used, one former FBI official said. Without examining the scene, US officials are left to analyze signals and other intelligence that can help make a strong circumstantial assessment of the cause but is not definitive.

I do like how you like to pick and choose when to "trust MSM". When the US gov is saying it's circumstantial evidence and no final decision, but in the past it's "liberal media" or "government would never lie".

Would be really great for Israel to let an independent organization in to investigate, but you know....

I thought you like to go after treasonous traitors? This person is confirmed to have actually sold secrets. Trump hasn't been confirmed to have sold any of that information to anyone, but you assume he has because liberal media has floated the idea. There's been no proof, just like the still unconfirmed nuclear secrets story months ago that came from an anonymous WaPo source.

Right? As much press as this balloon got you're going to tell me that THREE crossed the US under Trump and nobody saw them or reported on them? Our government would never lie to us to save their own faltering reputation.

 

[ulukinatme]

From the article



I do like how you like to pick and choose when to "trust MSM". When the US gov is saying it's circumstantial evidence and no final decision, but in the past it's "liberal media" or "government would never lie".

Would be really great for Israel to let an independent organization in to investigate, but you know....

Are you serious? Did I need to put "Our government would never lie to us to save their own faltering reputation." in italics for you? Where was I wrong about Trump selling secrets? Nobody's confirmed that one still. The closest thing that happened was Trump divulged some sub info (Much of which is readily available on the navy.mil website including armaments/payloads) to an ally, and it led to them buying a bunch of subs from the US. Seems like the US is the one that profited there.

Face the facts, dude. It's highly unlikely at this point that Israel did the attack. It's beyond MSM, the evidence doesn't back it up. Hamas organizations were the ones blaming Israel, but they won't allow anyone to investigate the site for evidence. Why do you think they won't let anyone in to investigate? Hamas' leader first blames Israel for the attack, then they said the US was responsible! First they said 1,000 died, then it's 500, then we find most of the damage was done to a parking lot. Meanwhile most reputable sources outside of Hamas are pointing to Islamic Jihad for the failed rocket. It it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

You point fingers and cry for Palestinian children, but it seems like your pride is more important than their lives. So, are you really that fired up about it?

 

[DillonHall]

It's shit like this that makes my blood boil. Where the fuck are the moral arbiters like @tussin who claimed I was bordering on anti-semitism? This ghoul is celebrating that innocent people are dying. I don't want to hear from anyone about how "every life is precious" if they are only going to respond to me about my comments but not someone who's actively cheering for destruction of kids. Celebrate terrorists being killed, but children being blown to bits isn't it. Will anyone call him out? Likely not.

Those kids are being raised to become the next generation of terrorists- did you even watch that video interviewing the kids? Unless that's another fake video, there's no such thing as an "innocent" Palestinian

I find it fascinating that each side kills children then laments the other side doing the same thing. There will never be peace as long as both sides claim the moral high ground

My biggest takeaway: it was a mistake for me to make any comments on this topic. There is nobody that can convince me to change my views on Israel/Palestine, and nobody will be able to change Toronto's opinions. This is an unresolvable conflict and always will be. I just hope it stays relatively regional

 

[ulukinatme]

Those kids are being raised to become the next generation of terrorists- did you even watch that video interviewing the kids? Unless that's another fake video, there's no such thing as an "innocent" Palestinian

I find it fascinating that each side kills children then laments the other side doing the same thing. There will never be peace as long as both sides claim the moral high ground

It may seem that there are no innocent Palestinians, and I know that I posted the video, but that's just not true for all. The friends I have in Israel talk about the good Palestinian friends they have that condemn Hamas and just want to live peaceful lives. There are innocents that live in fear and that's why they don't speak out. Sadly not everyone is that way, because many have been brought up to hate Israel. As long as there are children brought up with such hate this conflict probably will go on forever.

 

[DillonHall]

It may seem that there are no innocent Palestinians, and I know that I posted the video, but that's just not true for all. The friends I have in Israel talk about the good Palestinian friends they have that condemn Hamas and just want to live peaceful lives. There are innocents that live in fear and that's why they don't speak out. Sadly not everyone is that way, because many have been brought up to hate Israel. As long as there are children brought up with such hate this conflict probably will go on forever.

Yes I'm sure this is 100% accurate.

It really is sad all around, but nothing will get solved because there's too much emotion/bias involved. I'm guilty of this too. Now that the initial shock of the Hamas attacks has worn off, I'm probably going to start tuning this out (just like Russia/Ukraine). I support Israel, but at the end of the day, I don't really care and just hope it doesn't affect my life. IMO the elimination of Hamas and other terror groups makes the US safer

 

[GATTACA!]

I do find it humorous that all of these Arab countries are now protesting Israel whilst being unwilling to take Palestinian refugees. The only real solution to this mess is to disburse all of the Palestinians from Gaza to the surrounding countries and let Israel absorb the territory. It's not fair, but life's not fair. Neither side will ever stop and the only thing this arrangement is perpetuating is human suffering.

 

[TorontoGold]

Are you serious? Did I need to put "Our government would never lie to us to save their own faltering reputation." in italics for you? Where was I wrong about Trump selling secrets? Nobody's confirmed that one still. The closest thing that happened was Trump divulged some sub info (Much of which is readily available on the navy.mil website including armaments/payloads) to an ally, and it led to them buying a bunch of subs from the US. Seems like the US is the one that profited there.

Face the facts, dude. It's highly unlikely at this point that Israel did the attack. It's beyond MSM, the evidence doesn't back it up. Hamas organizations were the ones blaming Israel, but they won't allow anyone to investigate the site for evidence. Why do you think they won't let anyone in to investigate? Hamas' leader first blames Israel for the attack, then they said the US was responsible! First they said 1,000 died, then it's 500, then we find most of the damage was done to a parking lot. Meanwhile most reputable sources outside of Hamas are pointing to Islamic Jihad for the failed rocket. It it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

You point fingers and cry for Palestinian children, but it seems like your pride is more important than their lives. So, are you really that fired up about it?

I knew you were kidding about "never lying" - not to turn it into a Trump thing but the evidence has been released by the feds and yet you're still towing the Trump line. Yet you expect me, without any definitive answer from the US to just agree with them because they believe Israel? Don't you see the inconsistencies?

These are the facts we know - Israel has provided the hospitals in the area with warnings that they will be bombing, they have bombed these sites before, specifically that hospital on Saturday. The statements from the Israeli government have been a mess, a digital aide of Bibi's said Israel did it, the video the IDF put out was then taken back and removed. If you're accused of war crimes and you didn't do it, it would be pretty easy to put out public information of why that's not true. Why would I walk back any of my claims until there is a definitive answer?

My pride is absolutely not more important, I've been consistent on my caring about the lives of the people in the area. I've advocated for Hamas to be wiped out. I don't want more terror cells to prop up because of shit like Gaza.

Those kids are being raised to become the next generation of terrorists- did you even watch that video interviewing the kids? Unless that's another fake video, there's no such thing as an "innocent" Palestinian

I find it fascinating that each side kills children then laments the other side doing the same thing. There will never be peace as long as both sides claim the moral high ground

My biggest takeaway: it was a mistake for me to make any comments on this topic. There is nobody that can convince me to change my views on Israel/Palestine, and nobody will be able to change Toronto's opinions. This is an unresolvable conflict and always will be. I just hope it stays relatively regional

These are fucking kids? Of course they will say whatever dog shit some nutjobs are saying. There's a reason people that the other side will deem as terrorists - BLM protestors burning buildings down, and paramilitary cosplayers doing Jan 6th - don't actually go anywhere to commit shit like burning babies. Because their living conditions aren't the same as people in Gaza. You improve the living conditions of the innocent people and kill the terrorists. Really really really tough to push a hateful agenda when your living conditions have improved.

You think they should just be euthanized? Or that other Arab countries should just accept them in? Imagine if the Governor of Illinois was like "you know, the people of Chicago are unfixable we're going to ship them off to rural Indiana". You think that would work out well? You think those people would be overjoyed to lose what little possessions they have? Never mind the attitudes of the residents of people who lived there before.

 

[drayer54]

We're drowning in interest on the debt, and this wasn't even in exchange for our hostages. He just handed the shit out. No mention of the dead Americans or hostages. Incompetence at the highest level.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I knew you were kidding about "never lying" - not to turn it into a Trump thing but the evidence has been released by the feds and yet you're still towing the Trump line. Yet you expect me, without any definitive answer from the US to just agree with them because they believe Israel? Don't you see the inconsistencies?

These are the facts we know - Israel has provided the hospitals in the area with warnings that they will be bombing, they have bombed these sites before, specifically that hospital on Saturday. The statements from the Israeli government have been a mess, a digital aide of Bibi's said Israel did it, the video the IDF put out was then taken back and removed. If you're accused of war crimes and you didn't do it, it would be pretty easy to put out public information of why that's not true. Why would I walk back any of my claims until there is a definitive answer?

My pride is absolutely not more important, I've been consistent on my caring about the lives of the people in the area. I've advocated for Hamas to be wiped out. I don't want more terror cells to prop up because of shit like Gaza.




These are fucking kids? Of course they will say whatever dog shit some nutjobs are saying. There's a reason people that the other side will deem as terrorists - BLM protestors burning buildings down, and paramilitary cosplayers doing Jan 6th - don't actually go anywhere to commit shit like burning babies. Because their living conditions aren't the same as people in Gaza. You improve the living conditions of the innocent people and kill the terrorists. Really really really tough to push a hateful agenda when your living conditions have improved.

You think they should just be euthanized? Or that other Arab countries should just accept them in? Imagine if the Governor of Illinois was like "you know, the people of Chicago are unfixable we're going to ship them off to rural Indiana". You think that would work out well? You think those people would be overjoyed to lose what little possessions they have? Never mind the attitudes of the residents of people who lived there before.

Dude, nobody is asking you to automatically accept anything. However, the problem is......... you DID automatically accept the initial reports that stated this was an Israeli strike. You bravely pointed out that Reuters and BBC and Al Jazeera must have sources. Are you freaking kidding me? I had to point out twice to you that the sources were right in the headline..... ACCORDING TO PALESTINIAN OFFICIALS ..... HEALTH AUTHORITIES IN THE BESEIGED AREA SAID.

Yet you obliviously stated .... "Three of the biggest news orgs in the world seem to be saying it was the IDF." and "Of course it's up to you, but Reuters/BBC/Al Jeezra have better sources than I do, so I won't be able to convince anyone."

 

[Sea Turtle]

I do find it humorous that all of these Arab countries are now protesting Israel whilst being unwilling to take Palestinian refugees. The only real solution to this mess is to disburse all of the Palestinians from Gaza to the surrounding countries and let Israel absorb the territory. It's not fair, but life's not fair. Neither side will ever stop and the only thing this arrangement is perpetuating is human suffering.

They Arab nations did take in many refugees after 1948. Then they proceeded to keep them in refugee camps into perpetuity. Talk about open air prisons, nobody keeps the Palestinians in worse conditions than their Arab brothers.
Gaza wasn't even controlled by Israel until 1967. Also, the Palestinians are kept in refugee camps in Gaza by their fellow Palestinians. Just look at this map where most of the refugee camps are at.

Palestinian refugee camps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The whole idea is to keep the Palestinians in the worst situation possible to make Israel look bad in the eyes of the region and the rest of the world. To put as much pressure on Israel as possible. They do this rather than integrating them into the rest of the Arab world

 

[ulukinatme]

I knew you were kidding about "never lying" - not to turn it into a Trump thing but the evidence has been released by the feds and yet you're still towing the Trump line. Yet you expect me, without any definitive answer from the US to just agree with them because they believe Israel? Don't you see the inconsistencies?

These are the facts we know - Israel has provided the hospitals in the area with warnings that they will be bombing, they have bombed these sites before, specifically that hospital on Saturday. The statements from the Israeli government have been a mess, a digital aide of Bibi's said Israel did it, the video the IDF put out was then taken back and removed. If you're accused of war crimes and you didn't do it, it would be pretty easy to put out public information of why that's not true. Why would I walk back any of my claims until there is a definitive answer?

My pride is absolutely not more important, I've been consistent on my caring about the lives of the people in the area. I've advocated for Hamas to be wiped out. I don't want more terror cells to prop up because of shit like Gaza.

Evidence that he sold secrets? I haven't seen that. I've seen where he shared information with the rep from Australia, which led to the sub deal, and he had the classified documents in his home. I'm not towing any line, I don't care for Trump and wish he'd go away, but I get a kick out of poking holes in the numerous false accusations out there. You guys eat them up like hotcakes: Russian collusion, pee tapes, clearing the park for a photo op, telling people to drink bleach, calling veterans "losers," etc.

A Lt. Col. Lerner, spokesman for Israel's IDF has said they don't target hospitals and would never directly target a hospital. I can't speak to that and I'm not going to 100% take them at their word, but Israel at least has the decency to give fair warning that they're attacking a region to wipe out terrorists while Hamas would rather kill innocents in cold blood with no warning. They give people time to evacuate, they show at least some care for innocent lives.

I'm off to PeeWee practice, enjoy.

 

[Blazers46]

I knew you were kidding about "never lying" - not to turn it into a Trump thing but the evidence has been released by the feds and yet you're still towing the Trump line. Yet you expect me, without any definitive answer from the US to just agree with them because they believe Israel? Don't you see the inconsistencies?

These are the facts we know - Israel has provided the hospitals in the area with warnings that they will be bombing, they have bombed these sites before, specifically that hospital on Saturday. The statements from the Israeli government have been a mess, a digital aide of Bibi's said Israel did it, the video the IDF put out was then taken back and removed. If you're accused of war crimes and you didn't do it, it would be pretty easy to put out public information of why that's not true. Why would I walk back any of my claims until there is a definitive answer?

My pride is absolutely not more important, I've been consistent on my caring about the lives of the people in the area. I've advocated for Hamas to be wiped out. I don't want more terror cells to prop up because of shit like Gaza.




These are fucking kids? Of course they will say whatever dog shit some nutjobs are saying. There's a reason people that the other side will deem as terrorists - BLM protestors burning buildings down, and paramilitary cosplayers doing Jan 6th - don't actually go anywhere to commit shit like burning babies. Because their living conditions aren't the same as people in Gaza. You improve the living conditions of the innocent people and kill the terrorists. Really really really tough to push a hateful agenda when your living conditions have improved.

You think they should just be euthanized? Or that other Arab countries should just accept them in? Imagine if the Governor of Illinois was like "you know, the people of Chicago are unfixable we're going to ship them off to rural Indiana". You think that would work out well? You think those people would be overjoyed to lose what little possessions they have? Never mind the attitudes of the residents of people who lived there before.

 

[TorontoGold]

Dude, nobody is asking you to automatically accept anything. However, the problem is......... you DID automatically accept the initial reports that stated this was an Israeli strike. You bravely pointed out that Reuters and BBC and Al Jazeera must have sources. Are you freaking kidding me? I had to point out twice to you that the sources were right in the headline..... ACCORDING TO PALESTINIAN OFFICIALS ..... HEALTH AUTHORITIES IN THE BESEIGED AREA SAID.

Yet you obliviously stated .... "Three of the biggest news orgs in the world seem to be saying it was the IDF." and "Of course it's up to you, but Reuters/BBC/Al Jeezra have better sources than I do, so I won't be able to convince anyone."

I posted their articles the same way many here are doing so? Was I incorrect in saying "Three of the biggest news orgs in the world seem to be saying it was the IDF." What have I done differently than many here have done with taking a CNN report that is inconclusive as well?

I didn't make it about myself, which is why I said it's up to the person to believe what they want and that I stated this is what those news orgs were saying.

When I was wrong in replying to Calvegas I admitted that. I've taken accountability for when I was wrong.

You have every right to be critical and push me on my beliefs the same way I do to others. I just ask for charitability when interpreting my posts as framing it as me being sympathetic to Hamas in anyway leads to people calling me "anti-semitic" even though I call them terrorists and advocate for their death.

Evidence that he sold secrets? I haven't seen that. I've seen where he shared information with the rep from Australia, which led to the sub deal, and he had the classified documents in his home. I'm not towing any line, I don't care for Trump and wish he'd go away, but I get a kick out of poking holes in the numerous false accusations out there. You guys eat them up like hotcakes: Russian collusion, pee tapes, clearing the park for a photo op, telling people to drink bleach, calling veterans "losers," etc.

A Lt. Col. Lerner, spokesman for Israel's IDF has said they don't target hospitals and would never directly target a hospital. I can't speak to that and I'm not going to 100% take them at their word, but Israel at least has the decency to give fair warning that they're attacking a region to wipe out terrorists while Hamas would rather kill innocents in cold blood with no warning. They give people time to evacuate, they show at least some care for innocent lives.

I'm off to PeeWee practice, enjoy.

My issue with accepting the IDF's statements is they've routinely covered their past actions in the most positive light possible even though the targets were journalists or kids in the past.

I don't want to keep on this, as I feel like it's causing me to give the appearance of being "pro-Hamas" which I absolutely am I not and wish them the worst.

I think there's really four groups in this conflict and I want what is best for the Palestinian and Israeli citizens, I don't want terrorist fucks hurting both of those groups and I don't want the IDF to continue it's approach to regular Palestinians. I do want to acknowledge your post that called out DillionHall in saying that there is innocent lives at play, I think that's really important and I appreciate that distinction. Good luck at practice.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I posted their articles the same way many here are doing so? Was I incorrect in saying "Three of the biggest news orgs in the world seem to be saying it was the IDF." What have I done differently than many here have done with taking a CNN report that is inconclusive as well?

Yes you were wrong. You can spin it all you want. Those news agencies weren't reporting that it was IDF. They were reporting that Palestinian officials were claiming it's IDF. If you are claiming that there is no difference, you are just trolling at this point.

Bottom line is that you saw what you wanted to see. Your posts are consistently anti-Israel.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yes you were wrong. You can spin it all you want. Those news agencies weren't reporting that it was IDF. They were reporting that Palestinian officials were claiming it's IDF. If you are claiming that there is no difference, you are just trolling at this point.

Bottom line is that you saw what you wanted to see. Your posts are consistently anti-Israel.

So you would accept my posts if I didn't add anything and just posted them?

I need you to acknowledge and clarify what you mean by anti-Israel, because as we've seen that I have been framed as possibly antisemitic so when you say that, do you mean that I am anti-Israeli government or something else?

 

[ab2cmiller]

So you would accept my posts if I didn't add anything and just posted them?

I need you to acknowledge and clarify what you mean by anti-Israel, because as we've seen that I have been framed as possibly antisemitic so when you say that, do you mean that I am anti-Israeli government or something else?

The posts of the tweets themselves would be fine. It was your overt sales job stating in essence, legitimate news organizations are stating that it was IDF. They did no such thing. You blabbered multiple times about “sources”.

I’m not accusing you of being antisemitic. I’m stating that you are actively cheering for the Palestinians and actively opposing the nation of Israel based upon your posts. I believe that you were likely thrilled that any normalization with Saudi’s Arabia was derailed. I believe you likely blame Israel for “causing” Hamas to react the way they did. I believe you Stand with Palestine. If you don’t, please say so.

 

[TorontoGold]

The posts of the tweets themselves would be fine. It was your overt sales job stating in essence, legitimate news organizations are stating that it was IDF. They did no such thing. You blabbered multiple times about “sources”.

I’m not accusing you of being antisemitic. I’m stating that you are actively cheering for the Palestinians and actively opposing the nation of Israel based upon your posts. I believe that you were likely thrilled that any normalization with Saudi’s Arabia was derailed. I believe you likely blame Israel for “causing” Hamas to react the way they did. I believe you Stand with Palestine. If you don’t, please say so.

No need for the hostility.

Expand on cheering, because I do cheer for Palestinians to have improvements to their wellbeing.

What have I posted on normalization with Saudi Arabia? What does this mean? Cite where I could possibly be hinting at this because this is not something that has crossed my mind.

I blame Israel for their treatment of Palestinians. I blame Hamas for their terrible actions.

Of course I stand with Palestinians, don't you? I believe they are being held captive by radical islamic fundamentalists. I want Hamas removed and Palestinians to have basic human rights granted to them - if you don't agree with this explain why. Your use of framing is confusing because it seems like you disagree with me, but I'm not sure if you actually disagree with me or not. Like what's the point you are trying to make?

 

[Irish#1]

Especially when some of that public are licking their chops to repost and echo these reports. The last 24 hours on this thread is the example.

That’s exactly what I meant.