'24 AZ EDGE Elijah Rushing (Offer)

[NDFAN2008]

Glad we didn’t take him he’s taking the pay day

 

[Irish4life]

 

[allenm5333]

On my phone but need the Vince Mcmahon theme song “you got no chance”

 

[SeekNDestroy]

I know it’s a bad idea to pay recruits, but if this kid is a potential difference maker then somebody from ND needs to pay this kid to come here!

 

[NDMatt91]

I know it’s a bad idea to pay recruits, but if this kid is a potential difference maker then somebody from ND needs to pay this kid to come here!

We should but it won't happen.

 

[Plankton]

On my phone but need the Vince Mcmahon theme song “you got no chance”

 

[NDFAN2008]

No chance in hell he comes here

 

[Ricochet]

No chance in hell he comes here

I agree. Odds wise I would put Keon Keely transferring to ND ahead Rushing committing to ND.

 

[laughingirish90]

could be wrong but wasn't it reported that he didn't hang out with other recruits and just didn't seem that interested on his recent visit.

 

[GoIrish41]

He had his chance. 🙄

 

[Irishdrunk]

Glad we didn’t take him he’s taking the pay day

Sam Hartman didn’t take a pay day??

 

[Rocketman84]

I know it’s a bad idea to pay recruits, but if this kid is a potential difference maker then somebody from ND needs to pay this kid to come here!

Type of recruits we can't get to stick these days....badly needed on the D front

 

[IrishLax]

ND needs to be signing 4-star guys that want to be here. Then they need to be using NIL money to 1) bring in a couple key transfers 2) pay the players that are producing.

That’s the recipe. You do not want to try to be Oregon or Texas A&M… it’s not going to work with how the school is set up. You DO need to be able to spend $1mil to get a WR transfer when you really need one. Can you imagine if ND got Keon Coleman and a real OC to put with Hartman instead of having to run a true freshman lax bro out there?

 

[IrishBoognish]

Sam Hartman didn’t take a pay day??

ND doesn't pay high schoolers. Sam is, quite famously, not a high schooler.

 

[Irishnuke]

ND doesn't pay high schoolers. Sam is, quite famously, not a high schooler.

He might have a son in high school

 

[Crazy Balki]

ND needs to be signing 4-star guys that want to be here. Then they need to be using NIL money to 1) bring in a couple key transfers 2) pay the players that are producing.

That’s the recipe. You do not want to try to be Oregon or Texas A&M… it’s not going to work with how the school is set up. You DO need to be able to spend $1mil to get a WR transfer when you really need one. Can you imagine if ND got Keon Coleman and a real OC to put with Hartman instead of having to run a true freshman lax bro out there?

This.

The idea of paying high schoolers who haven't done jack 6-7 figures to come to a school is ridiculous and unsustainable. The collectives/boosters doing this are going to eventually get tired of being burned one too many times after their big investment fails to produce on the field.

ND needs 2 things to happen.

1) Invest serious NIL into going after key transfers and promote the hell out of the NIL efforts to make the money going to starters noticeable.

2) Seriously revamp the transfer policies for undergrads. It's asinine that we can't reliably pursue top undergrads like Coleman when the roster desperately needs it and instead, we have to settle on Kaleb Smith, who is a massive downgrade, but it's all we can do because he's a grad transfer. The way ND is doing things with transfers needs to change yesterday. And why is it that basketball doesn't have this problem? Shrewsberry got to pursue undergrads to fill the roster, why is the admin not doing the same for Freeman?

 

[GATTACA!]

ND doesn't pay high schoolers. Sam is, quite famously, not a high schooler.

ND didn’t pay players…..until they did.

ND doesn’t pay recruits……. until they do.

This.

The idea of paying high schoolers who haven't done jack 6-7 figures to come to a school is ridiculous and unsustainable. The collectives/boosters doing this are going to eventually get tired of being burned one too many times after their big investment fails to produce on the field.

ND needs 2 things to happen.

1) Invest serious NIL into going after key transfers and promote the hell out of the NIL efforts to make the money going to starters noticeable.

2) Seriously revamp the transfer policies for undergrads. It's asinine that we can't reliably pursue top undergrads like Coleman when the roster desperately needs it and instead, we have to settle on Kaleb Smith, who is a massive downgrade, but it's all we can do because he's a grad transfer. The way ND is doing things with transfers needs to change yesterday. And why is it that basketball doesn't have this problem? Shrewsberry got to pursue undergrads to fill the roster, why is the admin not doing the same for Freeman?

I just don’t buy it. You can’t convince me that the collective couldn’t raise 2-4 million annually to bring in key recruits. No one is saying we need to try the A&M model, but how much better is this roster if we’re just able to be competitive on players that would be at ND if not for NIL?

Add Keeley, Bowen, Rushing, and Dante Moore and we’re a hell of a lot closer to a championship.

 

[stlnd01]

2) Seriously revamp the transfer policies for undergrads. It's asinine that we can't reliably pursue top undergrads like Coleman when the roster desperately needs it and instead, we have to settle on Kaleb Smith, who is a massive downgrade, but it's all we can do because he's a grad transfer. The way ND is doing things with transfers needs to change yesterday. And why is it that basketball doesn't have this problem? Shrewsberry got to pursue undergrads to fill the roster, why is the admin not doing the same for Freeman?

This is a really good question.

I understand - and at some level respect - the idea that the football team can't take in transfers that admissions does not expect will have the transcript to graduate on schedule in four years. But then why are they taking sophomores and juniors in Basketball?

I admit I don't follow the basketball team very closely. Are all these transfers Brandon Joseph-style unicorns from high academic schools? Do we just all acknowledge that basketball players (nationally) have a low graduation rate and so expectations are lower? Basketball players don't even usually have the advantage of early enrolling, which puts some guys ahead of the clock to begin with.

I don't get it. Has there ever been an explanation?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

You do not want to try to be Oregon or Texas A&M…

 

[NDohio]

ND needs to be signing 4-star guys that want to be here. Then they need to be using NIL money to 1) bring in a couple key transfers 2) pay the players that are producing.

That’s the recipe. You do not want to try to be Oregon or Texas A&M… it’s not going to work with how the school is set up. You DO need to be able to spend $1mil to get a WR transfer when you really need one. Can you imagine if ND got Keon Coleman and a real OC to put with Hartman instead of having to run a true freshman lax bro out there?

That $30 million that A&M spent on last season's class(allegedly) is going to cost them another $70 million when they have to buy out Jimbo's contract. That class has woefully underperformed.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Notre Dame needs to keep NIL strictly for current players and getting transfer guys. There is no reason why if the basketball team can get Sophmores why the football team can't. They need to go out and get a stud WR, 1-2 safeties and a DE for this coming year.

 

[NDMatt91]

If ND is only going to drop bags, I mean, use NIL for transfers then they need to go all in. If you can outbid Auburn and Florida for Hartman then clearly money, I mean, your NIL pitch isn't an issue. You should be getting the Sam Hartman at multiple positions of need. There's no excuse for ND to not get the best (or one of the best) grad transfers at every single position of need from here on out.

 

[Crazy Balki]

This is a really good question.

I understand - and at some level respect - the idea that the football team can't take in transfers that admissions does not expect will have the transcript to graduate on schedule in four years. But then why are they taking sophomores and juniors in Basketball?

I admit I don't follow the basketball team very closely. Are all these transfers Brandon Joseph-style unicorns from high academic schools? Do we just all acknowledge that basketball players (nationally) have a low graduation rate and so expectations are lower? Basketball players don't even usually have the advantage of early enrolling, which puts some guys ahead of the clock to begin with.

I don't get it. Has there ever been an explanation?

Tae Davis was a freshman transfer from Seton Hall.

Kebba Njie was a freshman transfer from Penn State.

Julian Roper was a sophomore transfer from Northwestern.

Northwestern is obviously a top flight school. I wouldn't consider Penn State or Seton Hall as elite academic institutions on par with ND or NW.

Honestly, I think the changes in policy for undergrad transfers have already happened and this will be the first offseason that Freeman can utilize it. In typical ND fashion, they are late to the party, but they do eventually make those changes. Always.

I'm very confident we're going to hear updates of ND pursuing certain names when they enter the portal, and I imagine there will be a non-inconsequential number of them being undergrads.

 

[stlnd01]

Tae Davis was a freshman transfer from Seton Hall.

Kebba Njie was a freshman transfer from Penn State.

Julian Roper was a sophomore transfer from Northwestern.

Northwestern is obviously a top flight school. I wouldn't consider Penn State or Seton Hall as elite academic institutions on par with ND or NW.

Gotcha. So Northwestern aside we're talking about guys who've completed freshman year, which means they have three years left to complete graduation requirements on time at Notre Dame - which in my understanding is probably more important to admissions than the caliber of academic institution they're transferring from.

Yeah that seems very doable for football as well. I hope you're right about this loosening up a bit. If it does, I'd think the sweet spot for us is guys who took a real look at Notre Dame during recruiting but opted for somewhere flashier or more NIL-forward. Then after a year realize that life isn't all it's cracked up to be. How's Keon Keeley doing?

 

[NDFAN2008]

Some guys I'd look into
DL ANTO SAKA NORTHWESTERN SOPHOMORE 3 SACKS
AYOMANOR WR STANFORD
ALAKA'I GILMAN SENIOR SAFETY SECOND IN TACKLES FOR STANDFORD
DAVID BAILEY STANFORD 4 SACKS

 

[Irish#1]

Tae Davis was a freshman transfer from Seton Hall.

Kebba Njie was a freshman transfer from Penn State.

Julian Roper was a sophomore transfer from Northwestern.

Northwestern is obviously a top flight school. I wouldn't consider Penn State or Seton Hall as elite academic institutions on par with ND or NW.

Honestly, I think the changes in policy for undergrad transfers have already happened and this will be the first offseason that Freeman can utilize it. In typical ND fashion, they are late to the party, but they do eventually make those changes. Always.

I'm very confident we're going to hear updates of ND pursuing certain names when they enter the portal, and I imagine there will be a non-inconsequential number of them being undergrads.

Are you hearing something?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Are you hearing something?

Nope. This is just how ND has operated for years.

It's not that they refuse to change and make adjustments. They just do it way too late.

But them being very quick to accept undergrad transfers for basketball this season stands to reason they'll provide a similar speedy process for football.

 

[PutuporShutup]

ND isn't going to win the bidding war for the top talent that want to be paid upfront.

ND needs to show and give the value to top players that aren't just grad students. That fit ND as well.

Despite having golden, we're probably Keon Coleman away from undefeated as well. Not sure of Keon's fit, but my point is we need to fill a few gaps every year to be consistent contenders. We probably need to get another QB for 2024, possibly a DT depending on who stays/leaves, possibly a safety if watts leaves, possibly a tackle on offense.

 

[NDMatt91]

If you're going to pay for HS recruits, those in the top 50 are the ones you need to target. From the 2013-2017 classes 71% of the top 50 composite players have been drafted or played in the NFL (UDFA). That's a pretty solid success rate.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Committed to Oregon