Police State USA

[TorontoGold]

There’s plenty of agencies that take ownership. Lumping all law enforcement agencies together is just lazy.

So the companies put out a press release that is a lie? You won’t believe them until they provide you with inventory levels? Lol priceless!

Oh ok, then cops are pussies for quitting because they get some pushback from a minority segment. Is that better?

It's very convenient that with brick and mortar being phased out for big box stores that all of a sudden crime has become this hot button issue. But, again, it doesn't matter what I say as long as Jane and Jon from down the street say something that agrees with your preconceived bias then you'll lap that up. I could give an example about consulting with a REIT that was acquiring and taking over big box spaces around the Greater Toronto Area and they are carrying this out in the States as well but of course, it comes from a woke lefty so can we really trust him? Incredible, I should just lap up a companies press release that is made to cool investors opinions without seeing the data behind it. Oh no the horror!!

 

[ulukinatme]

Oh ok, then cops are pussies for quitting because they get some pushback from a minority segment. Is that better?

It's very convenient that with brick and mortar being phased out for big box stores that all of a sudden crime has become this hot button issue. But, again, it doesn't matter what I say as long as Jane and Jon from down the street say something that agrees with your preconceived bias then you'll lap that up. I could give an example about consulting with a REIT that was acquiring and taking over big box spaces around the Greater Toronto Area and they are carrying this out in the States as well but of course, it comes from a woke lefty so can we really trust him? Incredible, I should just lap up a companies press release that is made to cool investors opinions without seeing the data behind it. Oh no the horror!!

There's nothing convenient about it. The most recent store closures for Target were 9 stores in major cities, and they came out and said theft and organized crime were the reasons for the closures. It wasn't some small time brick and mortar stores failing in small towns, the locations were Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Oakland, and New York. 5-10 years ago you didn't see throngs of people smashing and grabbing merchandise while people just stood by. If it wasn't a crime issue then why would Target close these stores in major cities as oppose to smaller stores in less populated locations? Seems like a poor financial decision unless they're getting robbed regularly.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Just a few bad apples…

Police Brutality at Home: Cops Abuse Wives and Kids at Staggering Rates

It remains an open secret that police domestic abuse is a widespread and deeply entrenched problem.

www.fatherly.com

 

[Irish#1]

Just a few bad apples…

Police Brutality at Home: Cops Abuse Wives and Kids at Staggering Rates

It remains an open secret that police domestic abuse is a widespread and deeply entrenched problem.

www.fatherly.com

And a reason there needs to be regular mandatory mental health assistance for police. I suspect the pressures of the job have something to do with this.

 

[Irish#1]

Oh ok, then cops are pussies for quitting because they get some pushback from a minority segment. Is that better?

It's very convenient that with brick and mortar being phased out for big box stores that all of a sudden crime has become this hot button issue. But, again, it doesn't matter what I say as long as Jane and Jon from down the street say something that agrees with your preconceived bias then you'll lap that up. I could give an example about consulting with a REIT that was acquiring and taking over big box spaces around the Greater Toronto Area and they are carrying this out in the States as well but of course, it comes from a woke lefty so can we really trust him? Incredible, I should just lap up a companies press release that is made to cool investors opinions without seeing the data behind it. Oh no the horror!!

This wasn't Jane and Jon from down the street issuing the statement, but okay, live in your fairy tale land where police are pussies, people are not responsible for crime and companies lie. I hope you never need the assistance of a police officer, but if you do, I hope it isn't one of those pussies.

 

[drayer54]

We can see how this one is going to play out.

If you predicted zero consequences, you might be on track for a win!

 

[jprue24]

About that shoplifting closing targets story...




From the same thread..

 

[TorontoGold]

This wasn't Jane and Jon from down the street issuing the statement, but okay, live in your fairy tale land where police are pussies, people are not responsible for crime and companies lie. I hope you never need the assistance of a police officer, but if you do, I hope it isn't one of those pussies.

Where did I say people aren't responsible for their crime? You've said this a couple times without actually quoting me.

I hope it isn't one of the pussies either, hopefully it's one that actually does their job and doesn't have their fee-fees hurt from a small portion of society. Nobody needs their ego stroked more than a cop.

Why would I ever be skeptical of a companies press release after consulting companies to do this exact thing...hmm no clue! I'll continue living in this make believe world where we use data.

 

[TorontoGold]

There's nothing convenient about it. The most recent store closures for Target were 9 stores in major cities, and they came out and said theft and organized crime were the reasons for the closures. It wasn't some small time brick and mortar stores failing in small towns, the locations were Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Oakland, and New York. 5-10 years ago you didn't see throngs of people smashing and grabbing merchandise while people just stood by. If it wasn't a crime issue then why would Target close these stores in major cities as oppose to smaller stores in less populated locations? Seems like a poor financial decision unless they're getting robbed regularly.

I've stated multiple times that brick and mortar big box stores are closing their locations and focusing on ecommerce instead.

5-10 years ago this was not the case because real estate was still cheap enough for them to operate in these cities.

These are public companies, they will have to explain to the public investors to instill confidence that they aren't carrying toxic leases on their books so paying early break fees because of crime will sell much better in the public. Clearly the narrative works since so many carry the water without seeing the data.

Hypercapitalism in these cities - prices the real estate out of the margins that these companies want in SF/NYC. The cost per sqft is insane to be selling the things that Target does. That is why they still operate in small towns.

Poor financial decision? These companies have fulfillment centers to service these cities without having the footprint in downtown SF.

The markets know how unprofitable it is to invest in malls/shopping centers, take the emotion out of it - money is moving out of the shopping/mall space because of ecommerce.

This could all be resolved if these places released the data behind the theft, but you know.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

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Federal prosecutors accused the veteran officer of providing law-enforcement information to Enrique Tarrio, who was head of the far-right group.

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Prevalence of white supremacists in law enforcement demands drastic change

A Reuters investigation on May 6 indicates that a significant number of U.S. police instructors have ties to a constellation of armed right-wing militias and white supremacist hate groups, a report that adds to a fast-growing body of evidence showing a deadly threat inside U.S. police departments.

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I think we've moved past talking about the apples. We really need to start focusing on the tree itself.

Then the issue becomes the good guys remaining silent while the bad guys continue going about doing their business. This is how trust erodes with the public.

They might be the law, but they're not above it. Nobody is. It's like all professions in that you have bad people causing rot. This, however, is significantly different when it comes to most other professions.

 

[Irish#1]

Where did I say people aren't responsible for their crime? You've said this a couple times without actually quoting me.

I hope it isn't one of the pussies either, hopefully it's one that actually does their job and doesn't have their fee-fees hurt from a small portion of society. Nobody needs their ego stroked more than a cop.

Why would I ever be skeptical of a companies press release after consulting companies to do this exact thing...hmm no clue! I'll continue living in this make believe world where we use data.

I have had three policemen live on both sides of me and across the street. Two of them work in high crime areas of the city. Two have moved, but one is still here. I must be lucky, because none of them ever came across as pussies or needed their ego's stroked. I've never heard any of them complain or even mention protestors when we've talked about the different incidents locally and nationally. Plus, they've never mentioned needing more military type equipment or weapons.

Curious though........What percentage of policemen would you say are bad and what percentage would you say are pussies?

 

[TorontoGold]

I have had three policemen live on both sides of me and across the street. Two of them work in high crime areas of the city. Two have moved, but one is still here. I must be lucky, because none of them ever came across as pussies or needed their ego's stroked. I've never heard any of them complain or even mention protestors when we've talked about the different incidents locally and nationally. Plus, they've never mentioned needing more military type equipment or weapons.

Curious though........What percentage of policemen would you say are bad and what percentage would you say are pussies?

That's great those cops aren't like the ones displayed in conservative media. Good to see.

I don't have a percentage, but when conservative media is putting out this kind of narrative it's not because the Left is pushing it. Cops quit woke Austin in droves, plunging Texas city into crisis: ‘If you’re conservative, it’s a hostile place’

These guys are cowards who think they're beyond reproach. This should sickening for anyone to see. The absolute insanity to think a DA is going to target cops, because DA's are always very woke lmao. The same people who say if you have nothing to hide why resist, are upset that they're not above the law. Incredible.

Last year, the local district attorney announced the indictment of 19 police officers accused of using excessive force against protesters in the 2020 protests.

“It almost felt like there was a target — like the District Attorney’s Office and the city was looking for an opportunity to do something to you, to prosecute you or fire you, no matter if you did it right or did it wrong,” Moon stated.

 

[RDU Irish]

About that shoplifting closing targets story...




From the same thread..

If there is no police report it didn't happen.

 

[Irish#1]

That's great those cops aren't like the ones displayed in conservative media. Good to see.

I don't have a percentage, but when conservative media is putting out this kind of narrative it's not because the Left is pushing it. Cops quit woke Austin in droves, plunging Texas city into crisis: ‘If you’re conservative, it’s a hostile place’

These guys are cowards who think they're beyond reproach. This should sickening for anyone to see. The absolute insanity to think a DA is going to target cops, because DA's are always very woke lmao. The same people who say if you have nothing to hide why resist, are upset that they're not above the law. Incredible.

I'm not looking for a hard fast number. Just a guesstimate on your part.

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm not looking for a hard fast number. Just a guesstimate on your part.

Why? I've stated multiple times it's anyone who supports the narrative that people are being too tough on them. I don't have a number because I can't estimate the support for that unless it's on specific examples.

Are you going to reverse your opinion of me saying that people shouldn't be held accountable? You never clarified that.

 

[jprue24]

If there is no police report it didn't happen.

And every police report is 100% the truth.

🤣

 

[ulukinatme]

About that shoplifting closing targets story...




From the same thread..

I like how he's getting destroyed in the comments

Yeah, Target is just lying about all the theft, that's why they've had to install more locked cases to protect merchandise. Also, some of these stores aren't getting hit by just one or two petty thieves, they're getting hit by groups of people running off with thousands or more in merchandise at a time. Explain to me why target would lie about the reasoning for closing these stores.



It's just propaganda! Check out the mobs hitting the store. Buncha lyin' Target execs!

 

[TorontoGold]

"Owned in the comments"

These are literally the dumbest fucking clowns lmao



Hmmmmmm what reason benny?! What could be the reason??



"Do you have the internal data?" She's allllllllmosssstttt there. It's like, they could release the data to support their claims EVEN the people supporting the crime wave narrative value data.



A guy who has #MAGA in his profile even acknowledges shrink % as a valuable indicator lolol

 

[ulukinatme]

Just a few bad apples…

Police Brutality at Home: Cops Abuse Wives and Kids at Staggering Rates

It remains an open secret that police domestic abuse is a widespread and deeply entrenched problem.

www.fatherly.com

Where do they come up with that number of 360,000 of the 900,000 officers in 1991 possibly committing domestic abuse? I couldn't find that number in the Congressional hearing document. They had a reported 227 cases of domestic abuse across 9000+ officers in the LA precinct over a 7 year period. Anything more than 0 is unacceptable, but we're still talking the vast majority being decent folk, and we don't know how many of those abuse cases were repeat offenders. I think the most telling thing from the Congressional article was the lack of mental health and support services offered for many officers. Accountability is critical, but they also need proper support and training.

 

[ulukinatme]

"Owned in the comments"

These are literally the dumbest fucking clowns lmao



Hmmmmmm what reason benny?! What could be the reason??



"Do you have the internal data?" She's allllllllmosssstttt there. It's like, they could release the data to support their claims EVEN the people supporting the crime wave narrative value data.



A guy who has #MAGA in his profile even acknowledges shrink % as a valuable indicator lolol

Did you even watch the videos and listen to the testimony from the Harlem residents? No, no you didn't.

 

[TorontoGold]

Did you even watch the videos and listen to the testimony from the Harlem residents? No, no you didn't.

No I didn't, I looked at the responses to the tweet and found room temps being upset but not actually articulating what they have an issue with lol.

The point isn't "there is no theft" btw.

 

[ab2cmiller]

At this point you guys are just arguing over whether retail theft is a major problem or a colossal problem.

 

[jprue24]

At this point you guys are just arguing over whether retail theft is a major problem or a colossal problem.

Hey, hey....I don't care about retail theft...like at all

 

[TorontoGold]

At this point you guys are just arguing over whether retail theft is a major problem or a colossal problem.

No, we're just asking to see some sort of data instead of anecdotal stories. At this point it's "dude trust me" vs "Do you have something to support it?".

Financial markets are already moving out of owning retail/shopping real estate as it isn't profitable. The markets aren't political and a good indicator of the trends.

Average retail rent costs increased from 20.34 in 2020 to 23.16 in 2023. Thats ~14% increase.

Average rent shopping center space U.S. 2025| Statista

The average monthly asking rent per square foot of shopping center real estate in the United States increased between 2020 and 2025.

www.statista.com

Average retail revenues lost to theft in 2020 90.8B and 95.2 in 2023 (projected). An increase of 4.8%. Part of that 4.8% also includes inflation, so it is not adjusted for inflation increases.

https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/shoplifting-statistics/

It's stats like these that highlight the need for actual data to be released to support the claims made. Based on available data, it's *way* more likely that stores in high priced areas closing their stores due to rent costs rather than theft.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Where do they come up with that number of 360,000 of the 900,000 officers in 1991 possibly committing domestic abuse? I couldn't find that number in the Congressional hearing document. They had a reported 227 cases of domestic abuse across 9000+ officers in the LA precinct over a 7 year period. Anything more than 0 is unacceptable, but we're still talking the vast majority being decent folk, and we don't know how many of those abuse cases were repeat offenders. I think the most telling thing from the Congressional article was the lack of mental health and support services offered for many officers. Accountability is critical, but they also need proper support and training.

I agree that police need proper support and training. It’s an incredibly difficult but important and necessary job which is why it’s critical.

It’s also incredibly important to recruit and retain the right kind of men and women for the job. I know it’s anecdotal but I’ve known a large number of officers over the years from major city departments, small towns, federal agencies, etc. I’ve known close family, friends, acquaintances, fraternity brothers, etc. and many of them had no business having the power that police wield. This is why I fight back against the ‘few bad apples’ narrative.

 

[jprue24]

No, we're just asking to see some sort of data instead of anecdotal stories. At this point it's "dude trust me" vs "Do you have something to support it?".

Financial markets are already moving out of owning retail/shopping real estate as it isn't profitable. The markets aren't political and a good indicator of the trends.

Average retail rent costs increased from 20.34 in 2020 to 23.16 in 2023. Thats ~14% increase.

Average rent shopping center space U.S. 2025| Statista

The average monthly asking rent per square foot of shopping center real estate in the United States increased between 2020 and 2025.

www.statista.com

Average retail revenues lost to theft in 2020 90.8B and 95.2 in 2023 (projected). An increase of 4.8%. Part of that 4.8% also includes inflation, so it is not adjusted for inflation increases.

https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/shoplifting-statistics/

It's stats like these that highlight the need for actual data to be released to support the claims made. Based on available data, it's *way* more likely that stores in high priced areas closing their stores due to rent costs rather than theft.

Is the rental increase adjusted for inflation?

 

[ulukinatme]

I agree that police need proper support and training. It’s an incredibly difficult but important and necessary job which is why it’s critical.

It’s also incredibly important to recruit and retain the right kind of men and women for the job. I know it’s anecdotal but I’ve known a large number of officers over the years from major city departments, small towns, federal agencies, etc. I’ve known close family, friends, acquaintances, fraternity brothers, etc. and many of them had no business having the power that police wield. This is why I fight back against the ‘few bad apples’ narrative.

That's fair. I've had nothing but great interactions with almost every officer I've met in the towns I've lived. I realize that's anecdotal as well, and I've lived a rather sheltered life where most small town cops aren't regularly in great danger, so I've been blessed to live among pretty good individuals that served with less job stress than others in their profession.

 

[Irish#1]

At this point, I think if some guy took a dump in front of Toronto he’d deny it and say it was anecdotal.

 

[ulukinatme]

No I didn't, I looked at the responses to the tweet and found room temps being upset but not actually articulating what they have an issue with lol.

The point isn't "there is no theft" btw.

Yeah, no one spreads propaganda like the local news, best to stay away. So explain why Target would create this conspiracy theory that they're shutting down stores in metropolitan areas because of theft and organized crime? What is the motive?

 

[TorontoGold]

At this point, I think if some guy took a dump in front of Toronto he’d deny it and say it was anecdotal.

Will you address your points about me saying that people should not be held accountable for crime? Are you going to walk that back or are you going to give your phone back to grandpa, because it seems pretty childish to not just say "I was being hyperbolic".

Yeah, no one spreads propaganda like the local news, best to stay away. So explain why Target would create this conspiracy theory that they're shutting down stores in metropolitan areas because of theft and organized crime? What is the motive?

I have explained, a few times, but I'll do it again.

1) It is well documented that for a number of years that retailers are moving away from expensive big box stores. See an example of Target's retail footprint and pay attention to 2014.
2) These companies are publicly traded and need to maintain investor confidence.
3) Communicating to your investors that you're not managing the change in ecosystem reflects poorly on your governance and will drop your share price.
4) The current political climate allows for easy acceptance of this without having to provide hard facts and data.
5) Companies use political movements to their benefit all the time to boost sales or their share price. Let's use Target again, remember when there was the LGBTQ products they carried to try and make it seem like they were this woke company? Oh and then their share price dropped 15% and they stopped promoting it?
6) Anecdote, so this should be the strongest point, I have worked on consulting engagements for REIT's that are buying and repurposing malls because big box is dying. These companies are trying to get out.

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