ND- OSU post game thread

[Irishdrunk]

Oh no, we haven't cracked the top 5 in 17 games! LORD SAVE US! Did you see the QB play last year? That's still from Kelly. Did you watch the game this weekend? I know you saw it, but did you watch it? We belong. Look at 18 Stripes, we crushed in so many metrics. There is something within this team. Top 5 is so tough to always get to when you have the Georgias, Alabamas, Ohio States of the world flexing their NIL muscles and lower standards to athletes.

It's always an uphill battle since 1993 for ND, and it isn't changing. That doesn't mean we aren't there. It just means we have to understand that for ND to compete we need to be a Top 10 team, with runs. If that isn't good enough for you, go somewhere else.

QB Play Last Year? Who approved the QB Room and didn't go to the Portal for last season? Freeman and Tommy. Thank god Tommy's gone but this staff has too much inexperience for this level of Program. ND needs to actually spend good money on their staff to be Top 5.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Good luck with that. Sweet Dreams are always fun - but this staff really needs to prove it won't screw up a wet dream.

oh believe me I know. I have been in and still am in a show me mode. This is the game vs duke. Even the best coach would probably have a let down if they beat osu at home in that environment, but after a loss. No excuse to not have this team laser focused.

 

[notredomer23]

Do people not realize that Duke has won every game by 2+ TDs, is undefeated, and near the top 10 in advanced stats? And ND is on the road in their biggest game/ best environment ever? I'll be surprised if ND wins this game, and if they do it'll be a nailbiter.

Counterpoint: Everybody said the same thing about Syracuse last year bc ND fans forgot that the ACC (generally) can't deal with the physicality of ND especially on the offensive line.

 

[IrishLax]

Counterpoint: Everybody said the same thing about Syracuse last year bc ND fans forgot that the ACC (generally) can't deal with the physicality of ND especially on the offensive line.

This is a solid counterpoint.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Do people not realize that Duke has won every game by 2+ TDs, is undefeated, and near the top 10 in advanced stats? And ND is on the road in their biggest game/ best environment ever? I'll be surprised if ND wins this game, and if they do it'll be a nailbiter.

Spot on. Elko vs Parker is a nightmare scenario as well IMO.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Counterpoint: Everybody said the same thing about Syracuse last year bc ND fans forgot that the ACC (generally) can't deal with the physicality of ND especially on the offensive line.

I wonder if this is the year that teaches ND that it needs to be in a Conference for a CFP Bid. You know this will happen this year or next year. You can just see it coming. Makes me sick. We can lose 2 games in the ACC and still get in but not as an Independent. ACC probably will consistently have the easier road than the Big 10. But I guess that is open to argument.

What is not open to argument is the CFP is biased to the major conferences and ND is being penalized for not joining.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Do people not realize that Duke has won every game by 2+ TDs, is undefeated, and near the top 10 in advanced stats? And ND is on the road in their biggest game/ best environment ever? I'll be surprised if ND wins this game, and if they do it'll be a nailbiter.

Before ohio state ND had won every game by 3+ tds.

Clemson had 29 first downs, was in the redzone 5 times and only scored 7 points.

NDs offensive line should open holes and give hartman plenty of time to throw. Duke can't do too much about that with their personnel.

IF ND plays a who can run the ball better game, i agree, probably a close one. IF ND comes out aggressive like freeman keeps saying we'll play, our PA should be open all night and we shouldn't struggle running the ball. This game is close if we are NOT focused meaning turnovers and penalties.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I wonder if this is the year that teaches ND that it needs to be in a Conference for a CFP Bid. You know this will happen this year or next year. You can just see it coming. Makes me sick. We can lose 2 games in the ACC and still get in but not as an Independent. ACC probably will consistently have the easier road than the Big 10. But I guess that is open to argument.

What is not open to argument is the CFP is biased to the major conferences and ND is being penalized for not joining.

After this year, if ND is 11-1 they are guaranteed in CFP, and good chance if 10-2.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

After this year, if ND is 11-1 they are guaranteed in CFP, and good chance if 10-2.

This is true.

It is also true that without being in a conference, we will always be excluded from a first-round bye, forcing us to have to go 3-0 in the playoffs any year we want to win the championship.

 

[Luckylucci]

Here is as deep as my insight is going to go on the matter. This Notre Dame team cannot lose to Duke. That's all I know.

 

[Redbar]

QB Play Last Year? Who approved the QB Room and didn't go to the Portal for last season? Freeman and Tommy. Thank god Tommy's gone but this staff has too much inexperience for this level of Program. ND needs to actually spend good money on their staff to be Top 5.

Will you kindly put down Kelly’s jock? Some version of this is part of like 90% of your posts. Everyone understands your position. You are either Kelly’s daughter or MF hurt your feelings somewhere along the way. At this point it is clearly a troll. Lots of programs at all levels of sports have new and young skippers. At some point damn near every program has a new head coach, right now we do. If that is more than you can bear, can you at least cry into your pillow and spare us the drivel.

 

[PutuporShutup]

This is true.

It is also true that without being in a conference, we will always be excluded from a first-round bye, forcing us to have to go 3-0 in the playoffs any year we want to win the championship.

Conundrum. Pretty much if ND has a good team they're in. They could be in a conference with a good team and not get in. Like you said though, if ND has a great team, they still don't have a bye, ND in a conference with a great team has a bye.

 

[Irish4life]

Are we being punked?

 

[PutuporShutup]

Here is as deep as my insight is going to go on the matter. This Notre Dame team cannot lose to Duke. That's all I know.

Yep, simple as that. I will be at the game, there's no other choice but to win.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Are we being punked?

JFC. I was told it happened inside the red zone. I looked at all the plays they ran inside the red zone, but this was obviously just outside of it.

JFC. You also have henderson and lewis in there near each other, yeah that will work.

Just watched sequence, we had 3 DL play before, and kept 3 DL out there this play. Carter was in at safety play before, came off, and no one came back in for him. Not sure if that should have been a DL or watts as we already had 2 Safeties on the field with brown and henderson. My bet is play before we were in 3 DL because it was 2nd and 10, this play was first and 10, so I bet carter was supposed to come off and a DL back on. Man there's some major communication issues on the defensive side.

 

[mrmcgrail]

I know Elko is a good coach but you guys are acting like he's Saban or Meyer. You remember Miami 2017 he was the d coordinator. The acc last year was not good and the Duke Clemson game was more Clemson screwing themselves then Duke being better

 

[ColinKSU]

I see a lot of rationalization in this thread. My opinion: we lost at home, at night under the lights to a below average OSU team starting an inexperienced QB with a head coach who is starting to be criticized because his teams are too soft to beat Michigan. Yeah, no moral victories here. We absolutely should have won this game. I refuse to rationalize this.

Nor should you. There are no victories to take away from an abject failure. They *beat* Ohio State until they didn’t and Notre Dame is 4-1 now.

Here is as deep as my insight is going to go on the matter. This Notre Dame team cannot lose to Duke. That's all I know.

If they lose to Duke, then at least I won’t have to hear the rationalizing for why it’s OK that they lost to Ohio State because I’m not looking at the big picture.

 

[NDohio]

Do people not realize that Duke has won every game by 2+ TDs, is undefeated, and near the top 10 in advanced stats? And ND is on the road in their biggest game/ best environment ever? I'll be surprised if ND wins this game, and if they do it'll be a nailbiter.

Clemson moved the ball with ease against that Duke defense. They shot themselves in the foot nearly everytime they got in the red zone. It was disaster on Clemson's part.

Then they played Lafayette, Northwestern and UConn. Woohoo....

Their stadium holds 40K - don't think that is going to intimidate the Irish players.

They lost to UNC, GA Tech, Pittsburgh!, and Kansas last season. Not a single one of those teams is nearly as physical as ND is.

 

[irishtrain]

If we belong we beat duke this week by 14+, coming off that loss. This team should be so focused, angry, hungry, and ready to take it out on someone. Teams that belong don't lose 2 regular season games in a row, let a lone 2 in a regular season (rare).

This I agree with 100 percent exactly to the point-we were as good as if not better than ohio state-now show it and dont play an even close to nuetral game against someone you are better than. Sure Duke is better than before but Notre Dame should show just how top 10ish they are

 

[IrishSpartan]

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I think ND steamrolls Duke, I really do. Even if they are better this year, Duke is still Duke. I just have a feeling this one isn't close.

 

[ulukinatme]

That was pretty good. "That's what TD Jesus woulda done!"

 

[Irish#1]

I meant this is his first head coaching job, just used bad wording. I should have called him a first-timer.

And if you look at trajectory of great coaches, they need time and seasoning. The loss to OSU was bad but it is just one game early in his tenure. I have never seen a coach show up in year 1 or 2 and just dominate from then on out. Sometimes it takes a couple of coaching jobs before they figure it out on the big stage. My point is that fans have been frustrated at this team for awhile, but killing a first-time head coach when he has made obvious improvements over his predecessor, while dealing with that same predecessor's recruiting and roster failings, is a bit much.

There is another very outspoken coach whom the world fawned over who just got his ass handed to him by a clearly superior team. He came in this season with a much higher pedigree than Freeman, at least as a former player. Bad losses happen to good coaches, especially early on. It is simply part of life. You don't excuse it, but you accept that it takes time for people to grow. MF will be fine and I believe the program will be fine.

Agree. Just show growth and don't repeat the same mistakes.

 

[Irish#1]

Do people not realize that Duke has won every game by 2+ TDs, is undefeated, and near the top 10 in advanced stats? And ND is on the road in their biggest game/ best environment ever? I'll be surprised if ND wins this game, and if they do it'll be a nailbiter.

I could also point out that Duke did that against a soft schedule except for Clemson and Clemson basically filled their diaper in that game. MF's ability to motivate the team will be the key.

 

[Irishokie]

An OSU beat writer mentioned today that Gee Scott false started on the last play. I went and looked and he definitely moved. That’d be crazy if it was called. 10 second runoff, game over.

 

[ulukinatme]

An OSU beat writer mentioned today that Gee Scott false started on the last play. I went and looked and he definitely moved. That’d be crazy if it was called. 10 second runoff, game over.

Yup, he flinched 100%. Wasn't called. Oh well...just another thing that didn't go our way Saturday.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Refs swallow their whistles at the end of the Game unless you are OSU....especially in National Title Games (Florida 2002).

OSU is the big gorilla in CFB. They get a lot of benefit of the doubt......

 

[NDFAN2008]

An OSU beat writer mentioned today that Gee Scott false started on the last play. I went and looked and he definitely moved. That’d be crazy if it was called. 10 second runoff, game over.

which guy was he?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

which guy was he?

the one that flinched duhhh

 

[JamIrish]

which guy was he?

TE #88. He was lined up off RT. He flinched right before the snap. It would have been a 5 yard penalty but there would be no run off since the clock was stopped on the previous incomplete pass. Would have made it Last and Goal from the 6 though.