UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

[Old Man Mike]

The comment about my research field being as irrelevant as pursuing Bigfoot and Nessie was a blatant slap in my face. The time for civilly smiling while being directly insulted by ignorant assholes is past. I assume that you would not do that either if you were treated that way.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Again, this is nothing but the latest in a decades-long stream of endless claims without a single shred of physical evidence. Let us know when anyone produces a living alien, a dead alien, some alien tissue, an alien ship, some alien wreckage, some alien material, or some alien technology instead of just telling us about it.

Umm. The bolded has happened. The TicTac wasn't just seen by pilots, it was recorded. There is video evidence that backs up with Fravor and other saw. And since the experience, Fravor has been 100% consistent that what they saw/recorded is not anything remotely close to being human tech.

 

[arahop]

Umm. The bolded has happened. The TicTac wasn't just seen by pilots, it was recorded. There is video evidence that backs up with Fravor and other saw. And since the experience, Fravor has been 100% consistent that what they saw/recorded is not anything remotely close to being human tech.

Don't let cold hard facts hit him in the face. He basically needs a ship on his lawn.
Doesn't matter to skeptics what astronauts high star generals, admirals, Top Gun aviators, pilots, Military, have to say or have witnessed on the phenomenon.



Radar, radioactive readings, video evidence.

And the fact whistleblowers saying we have recovered technology.

People don't understand that a lot of this is classified. There are other highly credible whistleblowers who will be coming forward.


The guys would have stoned Galileo or whoever said the Earth wasn't flat

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[RDU Irish]

So fascinating to see one side so adamant that the Government is hiding everything and can't be trusted while the other scoffs and marginalizes the evidence on UFOs while they take polar opposite positions on Covid vaccines and election fraud.

 

[Domina Nostra]

So fascinating to see one side so adamant that the Government is hiding everything and can't be trusted while the other scoffs and marginalizes the evidence on UFOs while they take polar opposite positions on Covid vaccines and election fraud.

Really? You think these two things are equivalent:

A. Guy thinks scientists and public officials politicize a pandemic for money/power/political approval/cover-up (pick one or more).

B. Guy thinks government is desperate to hide space aliens from the public and has lied about it for generations, but is now letting it leak out on the internet and Congressional hearings and is committed to the truth.

I don't know. I find the lack of skepticism about aliens the fascinating part.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I heard years ago that President Carter saw a UFO and vowed to get to the bottom of the phenomenon on the campaign trail.
After being sworn in, he demanded to know everything and to see everything. He was told 'We're sorry sir, we can't do that'. You never heard him mention the phenomenon in public again.

Has anybody else heard this story?

 

[INLaw]

I heard years ago that President Carter saw a UFO and vowed to get to the bottom of the phenomenon on the campaign trail.
After being sworn in, he demanded to know everything and to see everything. He was told 'We're sorry sir, we can't do that'. You never heard him mention the phenomenon in public again.

Has anybody else heard this story?

I have, I also remember Obama sometime on the campaign trail, saying he was gonna get to the bottom of it to

 

[RDU Irish]

Really? You think these two things are equivalent:

A. Guy thinks scientists and public officials politicize a pandemic for money/power/political approval/cover-up (pick one or more).

B. Guy thinks government is desperate to hide space aliens from the public and has lied about it for generations, but is now letting it leak out on the internet and Congressional hearings and is committed to the truth.

I don't know. I find the lack of skepticism about aliens the fascinating part.

I said UFOs, not aliens. I also said, fascinating, not equivalent. I find the lack of skepticism about government the more fascinating part in relation to any topic but the dynamic of "knowing" the government is lying to you on one side and defending government on the other is quite the contrast.

People pick sides and dig in like an Alabama tick rather than keeping an open mind and allowing any grey area. I give a 95% probability there is something "there" in relation to UFOs that is not of skunkworks type of government origination. Part of that (say 30% to bring me from 2/3 to damn near sure) is respect to the few people like OMM and some others I have known in their conviction after critical analysis with a scientific mind over their lifetime.

I'd also place about 50/50 on a North American bipedal creature leaving large footprints around. Loch Ness is close to 0% just because very little can be 100% disproven. 99% "ghosts" with varying degrees of confidence depending on various forms/theories and how far someone wants to take supernatural concepts.

 

[GATTACA!]

I heard years ago that President Carter saw a UFO and vowed to get to the bottom of the phenomenon on the campaign trail.
After being sworn in, he demanded to know everything and to see everything. He was told 'We're sorry sir, we can't do that'. You never heard him mention the phenomenon in public again.

Has anybody else heard this story?

Oddly enough I just listened to Louis CK and Shane Gillis talk about that story during their big series of pods about the presidents.

 

[Giddyup]

Need to reach jetsons level before I believe aliens with superior technology crashes on earth.

 

[RDU Irish]

Need to reach jetsons level before I believe aliens with superior technology crashes on earth.

I have a Roomba we call Rosie so maybe you need to get out of your cave more.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I said UFOs, not aliens. I also said, fascinating, not equivalent. I find the lack of skepticism about government the more fascinating part in relation to any topic but the dynamic of "knowing" the government is lying to you on one side and defending government on the other is quite the contrast.

People pick sides and dig in like an Alabama tick rather than keeping an open mind and allowing any grey area. I give a 95% probability there is something "there" in relation to UFOs that is not of skunkworks type of government origination. Part of that (say 30% to bring me from 2/3 to damn near sure) is respect to the few people like OMM and some others I have known in their conviction after critical analysis with a scientific mind over their lifetime.

I'd also place about 50/50 on a North American bipedal creature leaving large footprints around. Loch Ness is close to 0% just because very little can be 100% disproven. 99% "ghosts" with varying degrees of confidence depending on various forms/theories and how far someone wants to take supernatural concepts.

If UFO does not equal aliens, then I'd agree and say there is close to 100% chance we are not getting (or ever going to get) honest answers from the military/intelligence people who think that national security justifies keeping people in the dark and lying. That's basically their job description.

But the real problem is that once you know that a smart, highly-funded, highly-motivated organization has lied to you to achieve its ends in all kind of clever ways, you get skeptical. I am just as suspicious of all the new UFO revelations that are coming out right now....

 

[RDU Irish]

If UFO does not equal aliens, I'd agree and say there is close to 100% chance we are not getting (or ever going to get) honest answers from the military/intelligence people who think that national security justifies lying.

But the problem is that once you know that a smart, highly-funded, highly-motivated organization has lied to you to achieve its ends in all kind of clever ways, you get skeptical. So I am just as skeptical of all the new UFO revelations that are coming out right now....

I agree - my mind immediately goes to "what are we being distracted from or set up for?"

 

[Domina Nostra]

I agree - my mind immediately goes to "what are we being distracted from or set up for?"

Yes.

Apparently, intelligent people are supposed to acknowledge all of the crazy things the U.S. government did in history and agree that these bad things justify all kinds of systemic changes that we need to push forward.

But intelligent people also supposed to believe that the U.S. intelligence agencies/military/scientists stopped doing crazy things about fifteen years before whatever date it is now--with the date always moving forward.

 

[Lberry]

I said UFOs, not aliens. I also said, fascinating, not equivalent. I find the lack of skepticism about government the more fascinating part in relation to any topic but the dynamic of "knowing" the government is lying to you on one side and defending government on the other is quite the contrast.

People pick sides and dig in like an Alabama tick rather than keeping an open mind and allowing any grey area. I give a 95% probability there is something "there" in relation to UFOs that is not of skunkworks type of government origination. Part of that (say 30% to bring me from 2/3 to damn near sure) is respect to the few people like OMM and some others I have known in their conviction after critical analysis with a scientific mind over their lifetime.

I'd also place about 50/50 on a North American bipedal creature leaving large footprints around. Loch Ness is close to 0% just because very little can be 100% disproven. 99% "ghosts" with varying degrees of confidence depending on various forms/theories and how far someone wants to take supernatural concepts.

I think bigfoot ans UFO sightings are linked. Often the former is seen with the latter moments behind. IDK how or why, but too many stories from different people that are all too familiar.

 

[GATTACA!]

Yes.

Apparently, intelligent people are supposed to acknowledge all of the crazy things the U.S. government did in history and agree that these bad things justify all kinds of systemic changes that we need to push forward.

But intelligent people also supposed to believe that the U.S. intelligence agencies/military/scientists stopped doing crazy things about fifteen years before whatever date it is now--with the date always moving forward.

Thank god these aliens only visit the United States. Otherwise us intelligence would have to be in cahoots with every other government on the planet to keep this all under wraps.

I think it’s far more likely UFO talking points are pushed when government agencies want us looking in the other direction. Would take substantially less effort and serve an logical goal.

 

[arahop]

I heard years ago that President Carter saw a UFO and vowed to get to the bottom of the phenomenon on the campaign trail.
After being sworn in, he demanded to know everything and to see everything. He was told 'We're sorry sir, we can't do that'. You never heard him mention the phenomenon in public again.

Has anybody else heard this story?

I feel like this has happened since every President since Truman. JFK was rumored to be an advocate of disclosure and wanted to disclose. The structure for the Congressional terms to protect whistleblowers used a lot from the JFK assassination and Intel on that part of history

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[arahop]

So heres the thing, it highly plausible that it's not Aliens but something interdimensional with an understanding of the workings of the Universe and Physics far superior to our own

Grusch uses these words about alien ships during the hearing.
Elizondo believes there's something to it and these beings have been here longer than humans.
You could call them Alien ships but I don't believe that is the correct parlance.

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[Giddyup]

Who gives a fuck? Till I see one it ain’t real

 

[ndfanatic78]

Who gives a fuck? Till I see one it ain’t real

Then why are you even commenting in this thread. Just ignore it and shut the fuck up because you add nothing as usual. Better yet just delete your account.

 

[Giddyup]

I’ll delete you

 

[INLaw]

Fight fight fight 👽

 

[Giddyup]

I’m an alien really

 

[Giddyup]

Got to snuff out this talk before our kind gets figured out

 

[BobbyMac]

So heres the thing, it highly plausible that it's not Aliens but something interdimensional with an understanding of the workings of the Universe and Physics far superior to our own

Grusch uses these words about alien ships during the hearing.
Elizondo believes there's something to it and these beings have been here longer than humans.
You could call them Alien ships but I don't believe that is the correct parlance.

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A lot of talk that physicists at Fermilab in Batavia are on the verge of a discovery of the 5th fundamental force of nature.

As soon as Sheldon gets back from the Stuart's comic book store, I'll DM him for details.

 

[GATTACA!]

A lot of talk that physicists at Fermilab in Batavia are on the verge of a discovery of the 5th fundamental force of nature.

As soon as Sheldon gets back from the Stuart's comic book store, I'll DM him for details.

BAZINGA!

 

[GATTACA!]

‘Flying Aliens’ Harassing Village in Peru Are Actually Illegal Miners With Jetpacks, Cops Say

Authorities announced their theory after visiting the isolated Indigenous community where the attacks took place.

www.vice.com

Surprise surprise.

 

[Irish#1]

I heard years ago that President Carter saw a UFO and vowed to get to the bottom of the phenomenon on the campaign trail.
After being sworn in, he demanded to know everything and to see everything. He was told 'We're sorry sir, we can't do that'. You never heard him mention the phenomenon in public again.

Has anybody else heard this story?

I seem to recall that as well. Which raises the question, The most powerful man in the world can't see any evidence his countries has?

 

[Irish#1]

So heres the thing, it highly plausible that it's not Aliens but something interdimensional with an understanding of the workings of the Universe and Physics far superior to our own

Grusch uses these words about alien ships during the hearing.
Elizondo believes there's something to it and these beings have been here longer than humans.
You could call them Alien ships but I don't believe that is the correct parlance.

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Can you clarify? If it's not Aliens navigating the ship(s) either inside the ship or remotely like a drone, how are these ships created and getting here?

 

[arahop]

Can you clarify? If it's not Aliens navigating the ship(s) either inside the ship or remotely like a drone, how are these ships created and getting here?

I agree that there are certainly physical aspects to the phenomenon. So it's a case of multiple scenarios could/can be true.
Some of the most common
Aliens
Interdimensional
Been here all along
Breakaway civilization that survived multiple apocalyptic cataclysms.
Beings with access to more dimensions than our own. String theory and quantum physics count up to 11. And that's what we think we know now.

So if we were able to perceive the next dimension, think in terms of being a 3rd party POV on a video game and having a wall between you and an enemy but you can see there room and yours.


OMM may have a better reference but
Jacque Vallee Passport to Magonia is a really good theory and read on Interdimensional entities.


Love the skeptics on here resorting to 10 year old name calling.

I always have had a hard time understanding how a majority of the Country and a lot of the world believes in an all powerful God that there isn't any physical evidence to other than written testimony, but have a hard time entertaining the plausibility of any of the previous theories.



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