2023 Fall Camp

[benneboy]

After reading the II and Athletic practice reports, I am pumped for this defense. Defensive line and cornerback are strengths!? Also, this Faison kid is not just a blip on the radar anymore. It seems like he might actually play. Nobody can tackle him.

Therein lies the rub. We're not supposed to read too much into all the scholarship wide receivers looking pretty weak, but we are supposed be fired up about the walk on being the only positive take away from the wide receiver group.

 

[WilliamWallace]

I haven't really heard much about him so I'm going on blind faith here... but I think he's going to have a big impact on the DL. Since he's very similar to Foskey size wise, when they got him, I thought he was a Foskey replacement but he was a big end. I'm not big on the VYPER position outside Botelho but JJB gives flexibility.

I hope he does have a big impact. I’m sure there’s a bit of learning curve with a new defense. Hopefully his skill set will get him some productive play. It would be great if he shows out in week 5.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

The reports week after week are that they can't get open, and only the freshman are impressing. It's not a bad day I'm afraid.

So your hot take is Stucky can't develop WR's?

 

[Giddyup]

It’s one practice. I’m not about to take too much from it. Kind of like spring ball performances

 

[Free Manera]

Therein lies the rub. We're not supposed to read too much into all the scholarship wide receivers looking pretty weak, but we are supposed be fired up about the walk on being the only positive take away from the wide receiver group.

True but the players are saying Faison is the fastest player on the team, and he has legit wiggle in the open field. This isn't like a Salerno situation where he is just reliable and consistent. He apparently has athleticism that not many have.

He had an offer from Iowa and he would've totally been the guy torching OSU at Kinnick for Iowa's every-three-years massive upset.

 

[Lberry]

If your take is that Tobias is a big WR who plays small, then i agree.

He's soft, IMO, and by end of Sept it will be common knowledge among ND fans. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Giddyup]

Lol. Now Tobias is trash.

 

[Giddyup]

Thought we were going to score 100 points a game.

 

[BabyIrish]

The reports week after week are that they can't get open, and only the freshman are impressing. It's not a bad day I'm afraid.

Honestly I think you’re over exaggerating here. First I don’t think all the practice reports that have come out have said that. A couple I’ve read had observed the receivers had improved including separation through route running and movement off the line.

Secondly the media have also had only two full viewings of practice with just one of those being in pads. I don’t think that’s alot of evidence to make assumptions that our receivers suck and won’t be able to produce.

 

[Lberry]

Honestly I think you’re over exaggerating here. First I don’t think all the practice reports that have come out have said that. A couple I’ve read had observed the receivers had improved including separation through route running and movement off the line.

Secondly the media have also had only two full viewings of practice with just one of those being in pads. I don’t think that’s alot of evidence to make assumptions that our receivers suck and won’t be able to produce.

I'm only subscribed to ISD and their's have been consitent. If the other beats have seen/reported differently on the WRs, that's good news and I wouldn't be apprised of that. Hopefully that's the case.

 

[Lberry]

Lol. Now Tobias is trash.

Exaggerate much?

He's not trash, but I don't think he's who ND needs him to be in 2023. He may be awesome but getting the sense this won't be the year. On a team with experience at WR that's be a perfectly fine career arch, it's not Merriweather's fault the veteran WR presence isn't deep.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I'm only subscribed to ISD and their's have been consitent. If the other beats have seen/reported differently on the WRs, that's good news and I wouldn't be apprised of that. Hopefully that's the case.

II agrees.

It does seem like Tyree, Thomas, and Salerno have received plenty of praise. So really, it's Merriweather and Colzie who seem to underwhelm, because the rest of the roster is freshmen.

 

[allenm5333]

Lol. Now Tobias is trash.

Not trash. Just sometimes we expect the 6'4" WR to play big when it is not his game

 

[benneboy]

Lol. Now Tobias is trash.

I'm sure by the end of the year he'll be 2nd or 3rd in receivering yards on the team. But when you're getting comparisons to Randy Moss and Tee Higgins it would be nice to hear about him making an actual play every once in a while.

I just don't see an avenue where we're a legit competitive playoff team without a #1 wide receiver. Doesn't mean we can't be Michigan, but the peices are there to have a higher ceiling then sneaking in or being a 10-2 team if d line AND wr can step up. That's why yesterday's practice report gives me angst.

 

[Reaper97]

Evidently Coogan had actually earned the reps with the 1’s because, despite being the least talented, he is the most consistent.
Schrauth, the most talented in the group, has been making mistakes.
Also, Fisher’s weight loss has impacted his strength & performance thus far.

Both interesting tidbits since HH was the one who wanted Fisher to lose the weight & Fisher was better his first two years than the year after spent with HH.
And Schrauth, a top 50 player, didn’t develop enough in over a year under HH to beat out Coogan convincingly?

And Tobias isn’t what we were sold.
He isn’t Jordan Johnson, but he is playing like a number 3/4 guy, not the elite WR sites were pushing.

Sneed needs to A) be mentally tougher
B) Stop blowing assignments…in limited viewing he has already given up 3 huge plays because he blew his assignment

 

[dublinirish]

 

[Ndaccountant]

Evidently Coogan had actually earned the reps with the 1’s because, despite being the least talented, he is the most consistent.
Schrauth, the most talented in the group, has been making mistakes.
Also, Fisher’s weight loss has impacted his strength & performance thus far.

Both interesting tidbits since HH was the one who wanted Fisher to lose the weight & Fisher was better his first two years than the year after spent with HH.
And Schrauth, a top 50 player, didn’t develop enough in over a year under HH to beat out Coogan convincingly?

And Tobias isn’t what we were sold.
He isn’t Jordan Johnson, but he is playing like a number 3/4 guy, not the elite WR sites were pushing.

Sneed needs to A) be mentally tougher
B) Stop blowing assignments…in limited viewing he has already given up 3 huge plays because he blew his assignment

Fisher only had 2 games with a OL coach other than HH.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Evidently Coogan had actually earned the reps with the 1’s because, despite being the least talented, he is the most consistent.
Schrauth, the most talented in the group, has been making mistakes.
Also, Fisher’s weight loss has impacted his strength & performance thus far.

Both interesting tidbits since HH was the one who wanted Fisher to lose the weight & Fisher was better his first two years than the year after spent with HH.
And Schrauth, a top 50 player, didn’t develop enough in over a year under HH to beat out Coogan convincingly?

And Tobias isn’t what we were sold.
He isn’t Jordan Johnson, but he is playing like a number 3/4 guy, not the elite WR sites were pushing.

Sneed needs to A) be mentally tougher
B) Stop blowing assignments…in limited viewing he has already given up 3 huge plays because he blew his assignment

The WR Room is the big question mark. People assume we are going to have some high powered offense because we have a great QB. Yet we have very little production returning. And yes, Rees is to blame in part. The over-reliance on Tight Ends is not great for an instant transition to a passing offense.

 

[Giddyup]

 

[Reaper97]

Fisher only had 2 games with a OL coach other than HH.

Let me break this down for you.

We are looking at his development.

He showed up to ND prepared to start as a true freshman.
That is a combination of his talent, his HS coaching & Quinn getting him ready.

He showed up as a Sophomore as starter. Shows his development the prior year under Quinn.

He showed up as a Junior, struggling more than the prior two camps, after a year under HH.

How Fisher shows up next year, will be after a year under Rudolph.

He had 1 year of development under HH & by all reports is struggling compared to the two previous camps.
And HH was the one who wanted him to lose weight & be more agile. So far, looks like a bad decision.

 

[calvegas04]

Damn you HH, ruined our OL

 

[Giddyup]

Just coach em up. No excuses.

 

[Giddyup]

Time for Rudolph to have the o line sleeping in a tent in his backyard. Drills 14 hours a day.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

The WR Room is the big question mark. People assume we are going to have some high powered offense because we have a great QB. Yet we have very little production returning. And yes, Rees is to blame in part. The over-reliance on Tight Ends is not great for an instant transition to a passing offense.

You LOVE to talk about recruiting rankings and stars. Well, Hartman unequivocally has more "talent" at his disposal at ND than he ever did at Wake Forest.

So, I'm sure he will find a way to grow with this cast of WRs. People are freaking out over a couple of fall camp reports yet quickly forget that our secondary is likely the strongest unit on the entire roster. I'm sure the trials and tribulations the WRs are going through right now will pay dividends this fall when the lights turn on.

 

[dublinirish]

You LOVE to talk about recruiting rankings and stars. Well, Hartman unequivocally has more "talent" at his disposal at ND than he ever did at Wake Forest.

So, I'm sure he will find a way to grow with this cast of WRs. People are freaking out over a couple of fall camp reports yet quickly forget that our secondary is likely the strongest unit on the entire roster. I'm sure the trials and tribulations the WRs are going through right now will pay dividends this fall when the lights turn on.

when it comes to receivers this is not true

 

[Lberry]

We just cant afford Merriweather and Colzie to be back seat WRs in 2023. Gotta think Stuckey can get something out of at least one of them this year.

 

[IrishFanForever23]

Evidently Coogan had actually earned the reps with the 1’s because, despite being the least talented, he is the most consistent.
Schrauth, the most talented in the group, has been making mistakes.
Also, Fisher’s weight loss has impacted his strength & performance thus far.

Both interesting tidbits since HH was the one who wanted Fisher to lose the weight & Fisher was better his first two years than the year after spent with HH.
And Schrauth, a top 50 player, didn’t develop enough in over a year under HH to beat out Coogan convincingly?

And Tobias isn’t what we were sold.
He isn’t Jordan Johnson, but he is playing like a number 3/4 guy, not the elite WR sites were pushing.

Sneed needs to A) be mentally tougher
B) Stop blowing assignments…in limited viewing he has already given up 3 huge plays because he blew his assignment

Easy fix on the Sneed piece. Don't put him in there to cover someone. That's where he struggles right now. Let him run free to sack the quarterback until he improves in coverage.

 

[irish4ever]

when it comes to receivers this is not true

Say what?!?!?!

 

[PutuporShutup]

So your hot take is Stucky can't develop WR's?

We need to be honest, last year was our worst year in forever regarding QB play and WR play. Now, there's many reasons for this but you had 4 highly recruited WRs on last years roster that were not true frosh.

There's absolutely no excuse to not have really good QB and WR play this year other than coaching.

 

[NDdomer2]

Easy fix on the Sneed piece. Don't put him in there to cover someone. That's where he struggles right now. Let him run free to sack the quarterback until he improves in coverage.

You think teams are just going to let us get away with that. If he's that one dimensional he will bea liability that we will be schemed against.

We all saw the BVG "blitz the same guy every play" defense and how it worked.