Trump Alternatives

[NDMatt91]

What I wouldn't give for a boring competent candidate like Romney or McCain.

There are some boring candidates in the race, but the problem is they can't win and are taking votes away from the one candidate (DeSantis) that has a shot at beating Trump for the nomination. If the goal is for Trump to not be the nominee, then everyone should get out of the race so that it's just Trump and DeSantis.

 

[NorthDakota]

There are some boring candidates in the race, but the problem is they can't win and are taking votes away from the one candidate (DeSantis) that has a shot at beating Trump for the nomination. If the goal is for Trump to not be the nominee, then everyone should get out of the race so that it's just Trump and DeSantis.

I think yes and no. I am a big DeSantis guy, but he's in the 20% range and Trump is in the 40's. This tells me that 50+% of the party wants someone not named DJT. To me it follows then that several of these candidates would have a shot against Trump in a 1v1. I don't think Trump is really any GOP voters second choice.

So if someone thinks they can take down Ron, I don't think there is anything wrong with them staying in through some/all of the debates. Burgum for example is polling low, but if he hypothetically gets into a 1v1 with Trump he's got about as good a shot as Ron does at taking down Trump I think, plus he is self-funded, he can play this game until he gets bored. But if we are getting closer to the primaries and none of these guys are making up the ground needed, I think there will be a lot of pressure to drop out and endorse Ron.

 

[sixstar]

There are some boring candidates in the race, but the problem is they can't win and are taking votes away from the one candidate (DeSantis) that has a shot at beating Trump for the nomination. If the goal is for Trump to not be the nominee, then everyone should get out of the race so that it's just Trump and DeSantis.

This is a big country with a lot of people. Options are a good thing for all, especially those who don't see the world in the hyperbolic extremes of the far left and far right.

We must escape the mindset of candidate consolidation and break away from bad habits that leave many voting for "the lesser of two evils."

 

[NDMatt91]

I think yes and no. I am a big DeSantis guy, but he's in the 20% range and Trump is in the 40's. This tells me that 50+% of the party wants someone not named DJT. To me it follows then that several of these candidates would have a shot against Trump in a 1v1. I don't think Trump is really any GOP voters second choice.

So if someone thinks they can take down Ron, I don't think there is anything wrong with them staying in through some/all of the debates. Burgum for example is polling low, but if he hypothetically gets into a 1v1 with Trump he's got about as good a shot as Ron does at taking down Trump I think, plus he is self-funded, he can play this game until he gets bored. But if we are getting closer to the primaries and none of these guys are making up the ground needed, I think there will be a lot of pressure to drop out and endorse Ron.

He's definitely not mine, and I won't vote for him if he's the nominee. I'd vote 3rd party. The problem is that we're likely going to see a repeat of 2016, where Trump wins a bunch of states with under 50% and 40% of the vote because a lot of candidates split the not-Trump vote. We saw candidates like Marco Rubio and John Kasich stay in the race way longer than they should have, when they had no chance of being the nominee, because of their ego. I suspect we'll see the same thing this time, particularly with Haley, Scott, Vivek, etc.

 

[RDU Irish]

What I wouldn't give for a boring competent candidate like Romney or McCain.

Yes - Dems want Rs to choose losers. I think 2/3rds of the Republican "base" is anti establishment and will have terrible turnout if it is NOT an anti-establishment pick. Trump is promoting himself as the ultimate anti-establishment even though he has articulated zero plan to actually take down the establishment. Other than exposing it he didn't really take any of it apart. Vivek seems to understand the policies of Trump can be quite successful but attachment to Trump becomes counter productive.

The other third are voting against Dems more than for Rs and will hold their nose and vote for anyone not Dem - with the exception of Trump. They might stay home if it's Trump and definitely be quiet about it.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Yes - Dems want Rs to choose losers. I think 2/3rds of the Republican "base" is anti establishment and will have terrible turnout if it is NOT an anti-establishment pick. Trump is promoting himself as the ultimate anti-establishment even though he has articulated zero plan to actually take down the establishment. Other than exposing it he didn't really take any of it apart. Vivek seems to understand the policies of Trump can be quite successful but attachment to Trump becomes counter productive.

The other third are voting against Dems more than for Rs and will hold their nose and vote for anyone not Dem - with the exception of Trump. They might stay home if it's Trump and definitely be quiet about it.

It seems like there has been some history of Dem's choosing to vote in the Republican primaries with the goal of helping a more "beatable" candidate.

Question. Will Dem's help vote for Trump in the Republican primary or would they be scared shitless at the thought of Trump somehow getting back into office because Biden is such a weak candidate?

 

[drayer54]

What I wouldn't give for a boring competent candidate like Romney or McCain.

Burgum would win by 5% at least

 

[jprue24]

Question. Will Dem's help vote for Trump in the Republican primary or would they be scared shitless at the thought of Trump somehow getting back into office because Biden is such a weak candidate?

Probably some.

Fear of Trump has nothing to do with our candidate and everything to do with Trump. There are definitely some idiots that still think Trump can't win. I, and many others, believe Trump is so destructive, that we don't want him to have a chance of being President again.

That would mean not voting for him in a primary.

 

[sixstar]

I, and many others, believe Trump is so destructive, that we don't want him to have a chance of being President again.

Quantitatively, what specifically did Trump destruct?

 

[jprue24]

Quantitatively, what specifically did Trump destruct?

The Republican party

 

[sixstar]

no, seriously. you said you don't want him as president again because he is destructive.

What, specifically, did he destruct? Provide data with your claim.

 

[jprue24]

no, seriously. you said you don't want him as president again because he is destructive.

What, specifically, did he destruct? Provide data with your claim.

I was being serious. The Republican Party is currently the party of Trump, not of family values, free trade, or small government.

He had no regard for the ethical separation of the White House and the DOJ. There are a litany of examples of bully pulpit pressure and more than a few books that go into the details.

He put unqualified people in cabinet positions.

He decided the confirmation process wasn't needed for the executive branch and continued to name "acting" cabinet heads.

He ignored the pardon process by cutting the DOJ out of it and we saw it used to reward loyalty (Stone pardon).

He dangled pardons.

He personalized government and blended his personal needs with that of the country. We saw many of his aide violate the Hatch Act.

He empowered and elevated people to try and reverse the results of a legitimate election.

He went after whistleblowers.

He fired people because they contradicted his lies.

He destroyed ethical norms when it came to profiting from being President, while being President. He didn't divest, so every time he went to his resorts while President, he made money. Not because he drew a crowd, but because the government has to pay for him and whoever he needs with him as President.

 

[sixstar]

now, for each item, put yes/no if the Biden admin is guilty of doing the same thing.

 

[jprue24]

now, for each item, put yes/no if the Biden admin is guilty of doing the same thing.

Nah, you can do that. With evidence

 

[sixstar]

I'm not the one unironically spouting accusations that apply to both parties

 

[jprue24]

I'm not the one unironically spouting accusations that apply to both parties

No you are the one unwilling to do what you request of others.

You even have a name, Mr. Sea Lion.

Sealioning - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[sixstar]

Telling you to defend your broad accusations is trolling/harassment? Lol don't be so soft

 

[TorontoGold]

I was being serious. The Republican Party is currently the party of Trump, not of family values, free trade, or small government.

He had no regard for the ethical separation of the White House and the DOJ. There are a litany of examples of bully pulpit pressure and more than a few books that go into the details.

He put unqualified people in cabinet positions.

He decided the confirmation process wasn't needed for the executive branch and continued to name "acting" cabinet heads.

He ignored the pardon process by cutting the DOJ out of it and we saw it used to reward loyalty (Stone pardon).

He dangled pardons.

He personalized government and blended his personal needs with that of the country. We saw many of his aide violate the Hatch Act.

He empowered and elevated people to try and reverse the results of a legitimate election.

He went after whistleblowers.

He fired people because they contradicted his lies.

He destroyed ethical norms when it came to profiting from being President, while being President. He didn't divest, so every time he went to his resorts while President, he made money. Not because he drew a crowd, but because the government has to pay for him and whoever he needs with him as President.

Yeah, but he had so many great accomplishments! Look at all his big successes!

 

[GATTACA!]

Yeah, but he had so many great accomplishments! Look at all his big successes!

They're as big as his hands!

 

[sixstar]

yup, he only did bad things and failed to accomplish anything good. Standard black/white hyperbole from Toronto.

 

[TorontoGold]

yup, he only did bad things and failed to accomplish anything good. Standard black/white hyperbole from Toronto.

Yeah I should always list out all the things he did well when making a joke about how bad of a president he was. Truly sound logic. I'm the snowflake lmaooooooo

Your Dwight Schrute routine is better than the victim cosplay. Let's go back to that format?

 

[drayer54]

Nobody should have to defend Trump in the Trump Alternative thread. There is a chunk that os angry at the system and status quo and likes Trump for various reasons. I find Trump's antics stupid, won’t fund his legal bills and his actions post-2020 election are indefensible.

I do like just about everyone else in the field.

 

[sixstar]

lol, playing a victim? Dude, you live in a fantasy vortex.

 

[jprue24]

Telling you to defend your broad accusations is trolling/harassment? Lol don't be so soft

I answered a question about what I said about Trump. Defended my position if you will.

If you have evidence that Biden has done the same things I listed....proceed sir. Otherwise, your just trying to jerk yourself off at my expense. Hard pass.

 

[NorthDakota]

Burgum would win by 5% at least

Would be a legit bloodbath if he somehow got the nomination. If he was the governor of Texas or something he'd be polling very well rn.

 

[Irish#1]

He put unqualified people in positions in the Cabinet.

That pretty much describes Biden.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I was being serious. The Republican Party is currently the party of Trump, not of family values, free trade, or small government.

He had no regard for the ethical separation of the White House and the DOJ. There are a litany of examples of bully pulpit pressure and more than a few books that go into the details.

He put unqualified people in cabinet positions.

He decided the confirmation process wasn't needed for the executive branch and continued to name "acting" cabinet heads.

He ignored the pardon process by cutting the DOJ out of it and we saw it used to reward loyalty (Stone pardon).

He dangled pardons.

He personalized government and blended his personal needs with that of the country. We saw many of his aide violate the Hatch Act.

He empowered and elevated people to try and reverse the results of a legitimate election.

He went after whistleblowers.

He fired people because they contradicted his lies.

He destroyed ethical norms when it came to profiting from being President, while being President. He didn't divest, so every time he went to his resorts while President, he made money. Not because he drew a crowd, but because the government has to pay for him and whoever he needs with him as President.

I agree w/ all this. But we also know we could comb through most, if not all; POTUS record and pull similar things. Biden would be top-of-mind b/c he’s the sitting POTUS. Both sides clowned W & Obama for their questionable ethics. To be fair, Trump easily takes the cake as the most bombastic & egregious. The best thing the legacy media/DOJ/Dems/Intelligence Agencies could’ve done was let him hang himself but they couldn’t resist putting their collective thumbs on the scale and give Trump’s supporters the proof to show the other sides’ shenanigans.

We need a meteor to hit the US on Election Day 2024.

 

[jprue24]

I agree w/ all this. But we also know we could comb through most, if not all; POTUS record and pull similar things. Biden would be top-of-mind b/c he’s the sitting POTUS. Both sides clowned W & Obama for their questionable ethics. To be fair, Trump easily takes the cake as the most bombastic & egregious. The best thing the legacy media/DOJ/Dems/Intelligence Agencies could’ve done was let him hang himself but they couldn’t resist putting their collective thumbs on the scale and give Trump’s supporters the proof to show the other sides’ shenanigans.

We need a meteor to hit the US on Election Day 2024.

I disagree

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Listened to one of Vivek’s town halls. He believes if Trump wins the nomination, the Dems will stick w/ “puppet Biden”. If someone (he obviously thinks it’ll be him) else gets the nominations, he believes Biden will not be the nominee and it’ll be a free-for-all for the Dem nomination.

 

[Redbar]

I agree w/ all this. But we also know we could comb through most, if not all; POTUS record and pull similar things. Biden would be top-of-mind b/c he’s the sitting POTUS. Both sides clowned W & Obama for their questionable ethics. To be fair, Trump easily takes the cake as the most bombastic & egregious. The best thing the legacy media/DOJ/Dems/Intelligence Agencies could’ve done was let him hang himself but they couldn’t resist putting their collective thumbs on the scale and give Trump’s supporters the proof to show the other sides’ shenanigans.

We need a meteor to hit the US on Election Day 2024.

No. Every president didn’t do what 45 did. In fact, while some of them have been bad, exactly none compare.