Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

[Crazy Balki]

So crazy mind says nd as one thing… websites with formulas say something else… trust crazy … yeah different formulas will make results Different… but common theme is 2022 easier than 21

The difference is how bad the bad teams in 22 were vs 21 … the only point you could argue statistically in these rankings is we got Virginia without Armstrong, that was lucky … we also got South Carolina missing half their team in 22

Nah. I'm gonna trust basic truths such as 7 being higher than 4, or 5 being higher than 1.

But by all means, continue to live in your own little world where your embarrassing takes are actually reasonable and stand up to logic.

Ohio State > Cincinnati
USC > Wisconsin
Clemson > Purdue
UNC > Toledo

You continue to stick to ranking systems which have noticeable flaws, while I use the eye test, which is far simpler and holds up better. In regards to SoS, I care about the top of the schedule slate, not the bottom. I don't care if Virginia Tech in 2021 is better than 2022 Boston College. They both were awful teams. What matters is the number of games against good or even just somewhat decent teams. I think we can all agree that having a winning record is indicative of at least somewhat decent.

 

[PutuporShutup]

The 2021 OL ranked 70th in the nation in average line yards compared to 11th in 2022. Aside from that proving your first point wrong, it highlights just how awful that line was in 2021. The game ND played against clemson in 2022 could never be replicated by the line in 2021. Nor could they replicate the special teams that set the tone. Polian sucked.

There is also no way ND scores nor runs enough to beat USC. You have some strange romanticism about the entirely average 2021 team.

We scored 34 ppg in 2021 vs 31 in 2022 yet you know we score less somehow? Ok

 

[Crazy Balki]

Whether Slovis, Daniels or Daniels would have been better misses the point. Bringing in another QB to compete for the job would make the room better.

Speaking of missing the point...

Slovis or Daniels aren't going somewhere to compete for a job. If that were the case, then Slovis wouldn't have left USC in the first place. He would've competed. Daniels would've stayed and competed at UGA.

They are going somewhere that can practically assure them they will play. Pitt and WVU had openings, thus why they went there. It's why Daniels went to UGA. Fromm was on his way out, Fields transferred and they didn't really have anybody else (bear in mind, this was before Stetson Bennett became a good QB).

ND wasn't willing to just hand the job over to Slovis or Daniels, and nor they have. Both were mid QB's who proved it on the field. Rees and Freeman believed they had a good talent in Buchner. Unfortunately, he got hurt and was never able to develop. It's easy to say this or that is a mistake with the benefit of hindsight, but you need to examine the situation in the proper context and the time it took place,.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Nah. I'm gonna trust basic truths such as 7 being higher than 4, or 5 being higher than 1.

But by all means, continue to live in your own little world where your embarrassing takes are actually reasonable and stand up to logic.

Ohio State > Cincinnati
USC > Wisconsin
Clemson > Purdue
UNC > Toledo

You continue to stick to ranking systems which have noticeable flaws, while I use the eye test, which is far simpler and holds up better. In regards to SoS, I care about the top of the schedule slate, not the bottom. I don't care if Virginia Tech in 2021 is better than 2022 Boston College. They both were awful teams. What matters is the number of games against good or even just somewhat decent teams. I think we can all agree that having a winning record is indicative of at least somewhat decent.

I’m all for an eye test but really hard to eye test a teams sos over 13 games vs a website using facts and statistics. But do you

Also, ok state is in the sos calculation. They were ranked better than usc and Clemson

 

[PutuporShutup]

Agree to disagree on Buchner. He was/is raw but very talented, and I get why we took a shot with him last year (also the level of transfer QBs you’re talking about don’t come here unless they’re the house favorite to win this “competition.”).
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Buchner starts a playoff game this season. We’d be far better off if he had stayed.

Man I was on the Buchner train a few years ago, he’s so far away from being an elite qb

I get too why they went with him over pyne, but he played awful

 

[PutuporShutup]

Speaking of missing the point...

Slovis or Daniels aren't going somewhere to compete for a job. If that were the case, then Slovis wouldn't have left USC in the first place. He would've competed. Daniels would've stayed and competed at UGA.

They are going somewhere that can practically assure them they will play. Pitt and WVU had openings, thus why they went there. It's why Daniels went to UGA. Fromm was on his way out, Fields transferred and they didn't really have anybody else (bear in mind, this was before Stetson Bennett became a good QB).

ND wasn't willing to just hand the job over to Slovis or Daniels, and nor they have. Both were mid QB's who proved it on the field. Rees and Freeman believed they had a good talent in Buchner. Unfortunately, he got hurt and was never able to develop. It's easy to say this or that is a mistake with the benefit of hindsight, but you need to examine the situation in the proper context and the time it took place,.

Unfortunately he got hurt? We were 0-2 with him as starter with one of them being Marshall… sounds terrible but from a record standpoint, if he doesn’t get hurt we probably lose more than 4 games

How many pick 6’s is too many

 

[Crazy Balki]

I’m all for an eye test but really hard to eye test a teams sos over 13 games vs a website using facts and statistics. But do you

Also, ok state is in the sos calculation. They were ranked better than usc and Clemson

No, it really isn't.

And it's infinitely more reliable than cherrypicking 2 SoS rankings that use two different methods of ranking, both of which I have already established, were absolutely flawed, using those facts and statistic thingies you were talking about. Remember team record contribution? How teams like Colorado, who sucked, had a skewed ranking based on their contribution? That kind of invalidates the whole ranking system if you have a bunch of shit teams who can lose most of their games and get rewarded for it.

Meanwhile, I can simply view a game or two of USC or Clemson in 2022 and make an easy determination that they were better than Purdue or Wisconsin in 2021.

And that's another thing. I don't include Oklahoma State in the equation, nor do I add South Carolina to it when conducting the eye test, because bowl games deviate from the norm due to defections and the huge layover. Even If were to include them, it wouldn't change anything.

It would still make 8 > 5 and 6 > 2.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Speaking of missing the point...

Slovis or Daniels aren't going somewhere to compete for a job. If that were the case, then Slovis wouldn't have left USC in the first place. He would've competed. Daniels would've stayed and competed at UGA.

They are going somewhere that can practically assure them they will play. Pitt and WVU had openings, thus why they went there. It's why Daniels went to UGA. Fromm was on his way out, Fields transferred and they didn't really have anybody else (bear in mind, this was before Stetson Bennett became a good QB).

ND wasn't willing to just hand the job over to Slovis or Daniels, and nor they have. Both were mid QB's who proved it on the field. Rees and Freeman believed they had a good talent in Buchner. Unfortunately, he got hurt and was never able to develop. It's easy to say this or that is a mistake with the benefit of hindsight, but you need to examine the situation in the proper context and the time it took place,.

But they didn’t even try to get any transfer QB at all because they were satisfied with their QB room to begin with. Freeman stated same in a presser.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Unfortunately he got hurt? We were 0-2 with him as starter with one of them being Marshall… sounds terrible but from a record standpoint, if he doesn’t get hurt we probably lose more than 4 games

How many pick 6’s is too many

Cool. You and the drunk seem to be on the same page when it comes to missing the point.

We were 0-2 with him as a starter, but do you really think that Buchner was the reason we lost? What did Slovis or Daniels do last year that indicated they were going to save us against Ohio State or Marshall? ND played a better team in a hostile environment in week 1 and AS A TEAM, failed miserably the next week. It was't just Buchner playing poorly.

This also assumes Buchner doesn't, y'know, GET BETTER? I know, shocking. But sometimes guys play more and do this thing call develop. Novel concept I know, but it's happened before.

 

[PutuporShutup]

No, it really isn't.

And it's infinitely more reliable than cherrypicking 2 SoS rankings that use two different methods of ranking, both of which I have already established, were absolutely flawed, using those facts and statistic thingies you were talking about. Remember team record contribution? How teams like Colorado, who sucked, had a skewed ranking based on their contribution? That kind of invalidates the whole ranking system if you have a bunch of shit teams who can lose most of their games and get rewarded for it.

Meanwhile, I can simply view a game or two of USC or Clemson in 2022 and make an easy determination that they were better than Purdue or Wisconsin in 2021.

And that's another thing. I don't include Oklahoma State in the equation, nor do I add South Carolina to it when conducting the eye test, because bowl games deviate from the norm due to defections and the huge layover. Even If were to include them, it wouldn't change anything.

It would still make 8 > 5 and 6 > 2.

You pull ok state out of the websites and your logic makes more sense

Cincy ok state Wisconsin is very similar to Ohio state usc Clemson … same record maybe?

 

[Crazy Balki]

But they didn’t even try to get any transfer QB at all because they were satisfied with their QB room to begin with. Freeman stated same in a presser.

...Jesus. Okay, 2 things:

1) Your naivety is astonishing. You think you'd have learned after 12 years of Kelly that what a coach says in a presser means fuck all. Coach speak is a thing, and even Freeman does it.

2) They didn't try to get another transfer QB, because nobody out there was available who was a noticeable upgrade. We've been over this several times already, yet you continue to ignore it. ND standing pat with the QB room =/= they are satisfied with it. It just means they can't find somebody in the portal who improves it. Slovis and JT Daniels don't upgrade the room. We saw first hand that was a fact. And they aren't coming here to compete with Rees' handpicked blue-chip recruit. They know that isn't the best situation for them to see the field.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Cool. You and the drunk seem to be on the same page when it comes to missing the point.

We were 0-2 with him as a starter, but do you really think that Buchner was the reason we lost? What did Slovis or Daniels do last year that indicated they were going to save us against Ohio State or Marshall? ND played a better team in a hostile environment in week 1 and AS A TEAM, failed miserably the next week. It was't just Buchner playing poorly.

This also assumes Buchner doesn't, y'know, GET BETTER? I know, shocking. But sometimes guys play more and do this thing call develop. Novel concept I know, but it's happened before.

They say you improve or as you say “develop” the most between what and what?

Weeks 1 and 2

Yes, more than just Buchner played bad vs Marshall but he has a major major pick 6 issue around decision making, then combine that with terrible mechanics and accuracy plus deer in the headlights constant look

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Cool. You and the drunk seem to be on the same page when it comes to missing the point.

We were 0-2 with him as a starter, but do you really think that Buchner was the reason we lost? What did Slovis or Daniels do last year that indicated they were going to save us against Ohio State or Marshall? ND played a better team in a hostile environment in week 1 and AS A TEAM, failed miserably the next week. It was't just Buchner playing poorly.

This also assumes Buchner doesn't, y'know, GET BETTER? I know, shocking. But sometimes guys play more and do this thing call develop. Novel concept I know, but it's happened before.

Buchner was bad…like awful bad. If ND wind either one of those games it would have been despite his play. Pyne lacked the ability to make winning plays, so his negative contribution was more about his inability to make many positive contributions. Buchner just flat out makes too many tangible negative contributions to be a good D-1 qb. People have been making excuses for him for years now, but he just isnt that good.

He threw 2 int’s including another pick 6 in that Marshall game and missed a wide open TD to Lenzy that many of us on this board could have connected on. Its hard to put 100% of the blame on any one player in a team sport, but that loss is a whole lot more on Buchner than not.

 

[stlnd01]

They say you improve or as you say “develop” the most between what and what?

Weeks 1 and 2

Yes, more than just Buchner played bad vs Marshall but he has a major major pick 6 issue around decision making, then combine that with terrible mechanics and accuracy plus deer in the headlights constant look

And yet also making plays that win football games. As he did against South Carolina.

I don’t know. Maybe he doesn’t get better with experience. But more likely he does. Either way the coaches thought he would and that’s why they’ve rolled with him instead of promising the job to some lesser team’s backup (which is what it would have taken to get Slovis or JT Daniels to come here). When Buchner got hurt and there was only Pyne to fall back on, that feels like a terrible mistake. But I get it. And I’m not going to hold it over Freeman forever.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Buchner was bad…like awful bad. If ND wind either one of those games it would have been despite his play. Pyne lacked the ability to make winning plays, so his negative contribution was more about his inability to make many positive contributions. Buchner just flat out makes too many tangible negative contributions to be a good D-1 qb. People have been making excuses for him for years now, but he just isnt that good.

He threw 2 int’s including another pick 6 in that Marshall game and missed a wide open TD to Lenzy that many of us on this board could have connected on. Its hard to put 100% of the blame on any one player in a team sport, but that loss is a whole lot more on Buchner than not.

I'm convinced some people on this site have REALLY bad memory.

Look, Buchner was bad. I'm not arguing whether Buchner played well.

However, you are SERIOUSLY overstating Buchner's contributions to those losses. We gave up 220 yards rushing to MARSHALL. The OL got abused and we couldn't run the ball for shit. Buchner basically had to be the guy to dig us out of an all-around horrific effort. He couldn't do it. And here's the inside scoop. I'm willing to bet Slovis and Daniels couldn't either.

Considering both of them looked quite mediocre and inept against far worse defenses than Ohio State and Marshall (yes, despite popular belief, Marshall actually had a good defense).

 

[Crazy Balki]

And yet also making plays that win football games. As he did against South Carolina.

I don’t know. Maybe he doesn’t get better with experience. But more likely he does. Either way the coaches thought he would and that’s why they’ve rolled with him instead of promising the job to some lesser team’s backup (which is what it would have taken to get Slovis or JT Daniels to come here). When Buchner got hurt and there was only Pyne to fall back on, that feels like a terrible mistake. But I get it. And I’m not going to hold it over Freeman forever.

I mean, why would you hold it on Freeman at all? He didn't create the situation he inherited, and there was no quick fix in the portal that people seem to think there was.

I think the narrative seems to be that Freeman should've taken Slovis or Daniels and have them as a #2 option if Buchner doesn't work out. Either that or give them the starting job. Here's the problem:

1) Slovis/Daniels are NOT coming to compete with Tyler Buchner. And they sure as hell aren't coming to sit on the bench.

2) You basically hand them the job, then that is a guaranteed way to get Buchner to transfer. Neither of those two are good enough to warrant losing one of the your best QB prospects in years. Sure, it works when you have a guy like Sam Hartman, who is a really good QB, but Slovis/Daniels are not Sam Hartman. So are we a noticeably better QB room with Slovis/Pyne over Buchner/Pyne? I'm fairly confident in saying no.

 

[greyhammer90]

 

[GoIrish41]

Cool. You and the drunk seem to be on the same page when it comes to missing the point.

We were 0-2 with him as a starter, but do you really think that Buchner was the reason we lost? What did Slovis or Daniels do last year that indicated they were going to save us against Ohio State or Marshall? ND played a better team in a hostile environment in week 1 and AS A TEAM, failed miserably the next week. It was't just Buchner playing poorly.

This also assumes Buchner doesn't, y'know, GET BETTER? I know, shocking. But sometimes guys play more and do this thing call develop. Novel concept I know, but it's happened before.

Just not at ND. 😂

 

[Crazy Balki]

They say you improve or as you say “develop” the most between what and what?

Weeks 1 and 2

Yes, more than just Buchner played bad vs Marshall but he has a major major pick 6 issue around decision making, then combine that with terrible mechanics and accuracy plus deer in the headlights constant look

Yeah, no.

That week 1/week 2 spiel is a load of crap.

Several of ND's best teams in recent years looked very mediocre in week 2.

2012, ND dominated Navy in Ireland in week 1. In week 2? They needed a last second field goal to escape mediocre Purdue at home.

2015, ND dominated Texas 38-3 in week 1. In week 2? They needed a last second miracle pass to escape a bad Virginia squad.

2018, ND beat Michigan in week 1. In week 2? They barely escaped against a garbage Ball State squad.

2021, ND needed a gift from Toledo's RB and Jack Coan heroics to escape a mediocre MAC squad at home.

Hell, extend it to QB. Let's look at a Heisman winner. Cam Newton won the Heisman in 2010. His week 2 performance against Mississippi State was, BY FAR, his worst outing of the year. Guess somebody should've told him that week 2 is when you make the jump.

Improvement/Development, whatever you call it. This notion that a player is just supposed to click in week 2 is laughably short-sighted, which would be par for the course coming from you.

Once again, factual evidence does your argument in.

 

[T-Boone]

I mean, why would you hold it on Freeman at all? He didn't create the situation he inherited, and there was no quick fix in the portal that people seem to think there was.

I think the narrative seems to be that Freeman should've taken Slovis or Daniels and have them as a #2 option if Buchner doesn't work out. Either that or give them the starting job. Here's the problem:

1) Slovis/Daniels are NOT coming to compete with Tyler Buchner. And they sure as hell aren't coming to sit on the bench.

2) You basically hand them the job, then that is a guaranteed way to get Buchner to transfer. Neither of those two are good enough to warrant losing one of the your best QB prospects in years. Sure, it works when you have a guy like Sam Hartman, who is a really good QB, but Slovis/Daniels are not Sam Hartman. So are we a noticeably better QB room with Slovis/Pyne over Buchner/Pyne? I'm fairly confident in saying no.

I think in a year where there must be question marks about if you have a capable QB or not then the coaching staff should be getting word to any QB who might be an improvement as to whether they are interested or not. SO in this case if we had gotten word to Hartman in maybe December 2021 he probably would have entered the portal.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I think in a year where there must be question marks about if you have a capable QB or not then the coaching staff should be getting word to any QB who might be an improvement as to whether they are interested or not. SO in this case if we had gotten word to Hartman in maybe December 2021 he probably would have entered the portal.

I see no sense in arguing a situation that wasn't in play.

I don't advocate for poaching players who have no intention of entering the portal, and there's zero evidence to indicate that Hartman would've done so after 2021 in the first place.

If he were that anxious to leave Wake for a better situation, why not just enter the portal? ND wasn't the only school with a shaky QB situation. LSU, Auburn, Oklahoma, Washington, Florida, Wisconsin. He had options and those schools would be dumb to not pursue him if given the chance.

 

[T-Boone]

I see no sense in arguing a situation that wasn't in play.

I don't advocate for poaching players who have no intention of entering the portal, and there's zero evidence to indicate that Hartman would've done so after 2021 in the first place.

If he were that anxious to leave Wake for a better situation, why not just enter the portal? ND wasn't the only school with a shaky QB situation. LSU, Auburn, Oklahoma, Washington, Florida, Wisconsin. He had options and those schools would be dumb to not pursue him if given the chance.

I don't know if those schools you mentioned have the pull of ND. Maybe 1 or 2 of them do.
Or whether they had the same circumstances ND did.
I think if Freeman had said "Ours aren't ready, so Notre Dame is looking in the portal for a QB" more hands would have gone up than just JT Daniels and Slovis.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I don't know if those schools you mentioned have the pull of ND. Maybe 1 or 2 of them do.
Or whether they had the same circumstances ND did.
I think if Freeman had said "Ours aren't ready, so Notre Dame is looking in the portal for a QB" more hands would have gone up than just JT Daniels and Slovis.

I think you underestimate the Pandora's box you are opening if a coach flat out just openly says, we're not ready at QB. That is just asking for a massive media circus act that Freeman flat out DID NOT need at the time, what with just starting out as a new head coach.

Sure, ND has a good deal of pull, but it's not a matter of pull. It's a matter of a guy wanting to leave where he's at in that moment.

Oklahoma has similar levels of pull, but they also have the WAAC mentality to do something as shady as poach a guy who hasn't entered the portal.

 

[TorontoGold]

I don't know if those schools you mentioned have the pull of ND. Maybe 1 or 2 of them do.
Or whether they had the same circumstances ND did.
I think if Freeman had said "Ours aren't ready, so Notre Dame is looking in the portal for a QB" more hands would have gone up than just JT Daniels and Slovis.

LSU absolutely had better pull than ND. Look up Boutte pre-2022, special player. Malik Nabers is another decent player too. There was pretty memorable transfer QB in 2019 that might be a decent selling point. The guy recruiting you? Oh he's going to have good background on why the WRs at LSU are better than ND.

Florida has SEC money, Napier had HC experience and is an offensive guy.

Oklahoma has a pretty good history with transfer QBs and would certainly sell that. Marvin Mims would have been a nice target for Hartman.

And that's leaving out the fact that Hartman just played in an ACC championship game. So what justification would there be for Hartman to pick ND over any of those three schools? Who do you have in mind that in January 2022 would have thought "hmmm that empty WR room and no proven RB but hey there's that Mayer guy". Saying more hands would have went up means that LSU wouldn't have taken a guy who put up 10 TD 10 INT if they couldn't have shaken loose someone else.

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[Te'o4Heisman]

I'm convinced some people on this site have REALLY bad memory.

Look, Buchner was bad. I'm not arguing whether Buchner played well.

However, you are SERIOUSLY overstating Buchner's contributions to those losses. We gave up 220 yards rushing to MARSHALL. The OL got abused and we couldn't run the ball for shit. Buchner basically had to be the guy to dig us out of an all-around horrific effort. He couldn't do it. And here's the inside scoop. I'm willing to bet Slovis and Daniels couldn't either.

Considering both of them looked quite mediocre and inept against far worse defenses than Ohio State and Marshall (yes, despite popular belief, Marshall actually had a good defense).

Seriously overstating his contribution to the loss? I mentioned two plays that any competent D1 QB doesnt make that directly lead to a 14 point swing not to mention how those plays impact morale and momentum. We lost by 5.
Marshall had 364 yds of total offense and was 4/13 on 3rd down.
Notre dame wins that game with any kind of decent QB play at all. Make all the excuses you want.
You can’t rewrite history to fit your argument.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Seriously overstating his contribution to the loss? I mentioned two plays that any competent D1 QB doesnt make that directly lead to a 14 point swing not to mention how those plays impact morale and momentum. We lost by 5.
Marshall had 364 yds of total offense and was 4/13 on 3rd down.
Notre dame wins that game with any kind of decent QB play at all. Make all the excuses you want.
You can’t rewrite history to fit your argument.

Lol. Rewrite history...good lord.

We now have a hat trick of clueless trolls. Drunk, PutUp and now Te'o has joined the fray.

What part of ANY of my comment is an attempt to REWRITE HISTORY!?

Everything I stated regarding the Marshall game was FACT. It happened. Point. Blank. Period.

It's not making excuses. IT HAPPENED!

ND gave up 220 yards rushing. FACT.

ND couldn't run for shit in that game (3.5 yards per carry). FACT.

And Slovis and Daniels struggled immensely against far worse defenses than Marshall. Again, FACT.

YOU are the one trying to make excuses and rewrite history to fit your argument. You and your trifecta of trolls.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Lol. Rewrite history...good lord.

We now have a hat trick of clueless trolls. Drunk, PutUp and now Te'o has joined the fray.

What part of ANY of my comment is an attempt to REWRITE HISTORY!?

Everything I stated regarding the Marshall game was FACT. It happened. Point. Blank. Period.

It's not making excuses. IT HAPPENED!

ND gave up 220 yards rushing. FACT.

ND couldn't run for shit in that game (3.5 yards per carry). FACT.

And Slovis and Daniels struggled immensely against far worse defenses than Marshall. Again, FACT.

YOU are the one trying to make excuses and rewrite history to fit your argument. You and your trifecta of trolls.

What does giving up 220 yds rushing and have a mediocre run game have to do with the FACT we had 14 points until 5 seconds left in the game. Read that again. 14 points until 5 seconds left in the game against Marshall. Thats not on the QB? Its. Ot possible our run game suffered just like it did all season because our QBs were awful and opponents knew it? Its not on Buchner that he missed a wife open Lemzy for 7 pts that was visibly deflating at the time it happened? Its not on Buchner he threw one of his many career pick 6’s in what was a 1 score game at the time?

You keep referencing Marshalls 220 yds rushing. Navy runs for that or similar every year against us and we put up more than 14 pts and win the game. Not to mention a large portion of that total came very late in the game and of that portion, most on one drive. You reference it like Marshall just controlled the game all game amd our offense didnt have a chance. The offense didnt have a chance because our QB play sucked.

I love your enthusiasm and eternal optimism about the team, and willingness to argue and defend your stance right or wrong until the end of eternity but in this case you’re just wrong. We win that game with the quality of starting QB play that probably 75% of Power 5 teams had last year. Hell we probably win had Pyne played the whole game. Its tough to win when your starting QB is a turnover machine with a knack for throwing pick 6’s. Would love to know where Buchner falls historically in % of career pass attempts
Being intercepted for touchdowns actually.

I have had Irishdrunk on ignore for the last 6 months and couldn’t care less about putup, you’re just ignoring reality for whatever reason.

 

[PutuporShutup]

And yet also making plays that win football games. As he did against South Carolina.

I don’t know. Maybe he doesn’t get better with experience. But more likely he does. Either way the coaches thought he would and that’s why they’ve rolled with him instead of promising the job to some lesser team’s backup (which is what it would have taken to get Slovis or JT Daniels to come here). When Buchner got hurt and there was only Pyne to fall back on, that feels like a terrible mistake. But I get it. And I’m not going to hold it over Freeman forever.

Me neither… freeman made a brilliant move going after portal/Hartman right when regular season ended. It put a qb at risk for leaving nd but freeman knew it was worth it. Great move

What freeman did after 2022 season should have been immediately done after bowl game vs ok state. Freeman and Rees didn’t think Buchner was good enough to even help them with a snap in that game with 5 weeks of prep. I think freeman was just too green to make such a big move. IMO not making that move cost us 2 wins and possibly some recruits. Now, qb wasn’t the only reason we lost. Better coaching and D was needed. We had the lead in both games in the fourth quarter at home, and lost.

I also don’t think Rees goes with Buchner full time starter at bama… too risky to his career

 

[PutuporShutup]

What does giving up 220 yds rushing and have a mediocre run game have to do with the FACT we had 14 points until 5 seconds left in the game. Read that again. 14 points until 5 seconds left in the game against Marshall. Thats not on the QB? Its. Ot possible our run game suffered just like it did all season because our QBs were awful and opponents knew it? Its not on Buchner that he missed a wife open Lemzy for 7 pts that was visibly deflating at the time it happened? Its not on Buchner he threw one of his many career pick 6’s in what was a 1 score game at the time?

You keep referencing Marshalls 220 yds rushing. Navy runs for that or similar every year against us and we put up more than 14 pts and win the game. Not to mention a large portion of that total came very late in the game and of that portion, most on one drive. You reference it like Marshall just controlled the game all game amd our offense didnt have a chance. The offense didnt have a chance because our QB play sucked.

I love your enthusiasm and eternal optimism about the team, and willingness to argue and defend your stance right or wrong until the end of eternity but in this case you’re just wrong. We win that game with the quality of starting QB play that probably 75% of Power 5 teams had last year. Hell we probably win had Pyne played the whole game. Its tough to win when your starting QB is a turnover machine with a knack for throwing pick 6’s. Would love to know where Buchner falls historically in % of career pass attempts
Being intercepted for touchdowns actually.

I have had Irishdrunk on ignore for the last 6 months and couldn’t care less about putup, you’re just ignoring reality for whatever reason.

See my comment on Buchner not playing a snap vs ok state. That’s how good freeman and Rees thought he was despite having 5 weeks of prep, despite our offense in a lull second half. Despite not being able to run the ball or convert third and shorts

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

The 2021 OL ranked 70th in the nation in average line yards compared to 11th in 2022. Aside from that proving your first point wrong, it highlights just how awful that line was in 2021. The game ND played against clemson in 2022 could never be replicated by the line in 2021. Nor could they replicate the special teams that set the tone. Polian sucked.

There is also no way ND scores nor runs enough to beat USC. You have some strange romanticism about the entirely average 2021 team.

The relevant comparison isn’t even the 2021 team. It’s the 2021 team if Jack Coan had gone down for the year during the Toledo game.