Trump Presidency

[GoIrish41]

I dont think he was ever vindicated. Impeachments are political in nature. I think you have largely created a strawman.

And I would lecture anyone on the "trials proving innocence" opinion. Sometimes they do. But thats not the standard and never has been in the United States.

The entire tenor of the debate is whether the indictment of Trump is another in a long line of over-reactions by the left or the inevitable end of the rope where Trump now finds himself. If you don’t believe he was vindicated before, this comment doesn’t apply to you.

I won’t ask why you were compelled to clarify your position. Still, if you want to make an argument that the defendant doesn’t prove his innocence, it would have been received better in 2018 when Trump’s vindication was all the rage in this thread by the red hatters. Why didn’t you bring this up then?

 

[NorthDakota]

The entire tenor of the debate is whether the indictment of Trump is another in a long line of over-reactions by the left or the inevitable end of the rope where Trump now finds himself. If you don’t believe he was vindicated before, this comment doesn’t apply to you.

I won’t ask why you were compelled to clarify your position. Still, if you want to make an argument that the defendant doesn’t prove his innocence, it would have been received better in 2018 when Trump’s vindication was all the rage in this thread by the red hatters. Why didn’t you bring this up then?

Do you believe Chuck Schumer would have been indicted for behaving similarly? Yes or no.

 

[GoIrish41]

Do you believe Chuck Schumer would have been indicted for behaving similarly? Yes or no.

I don’t know what you mean by “behaving similarly?” While we are not sure what counts are in the indictment, what we do know about was that his business fraud was enough to get the people working for him convicted. If Schumer would have banged a porn star, lied about it, got his lawyer to pay her off for silence during his election campaign and then ordered his bookkeeper to bury the payments in false entries and declarations … yeah. I think Schumer would find himself in similar legal jeopardy. But again, there seems to be way more to it than that. What I know for sure is that I wouldn’t defend Schumer if he was in the same bind. I’d be calling for his head.

 

[NorthDakota]

I don’t know what you mean by “behaving similarly?” While we are not sure what counts are in the indictment, what we do know about was that his business fraud was enough to get the people working for him convicted. If Schumer would have banged a porn star, lied about it, got his lawyer to pay her off for silence during his election campaign and then ordered his bookkeeper to bury the payments in false entries and declarations … yeah. I think Schumer would find himself in similar legal jeopardy. But again, there seems to be way more to it than that. What I know for sure is that I wouldn’t defend Schumer if he was in the same bind. I’d be calling for his head.

Lol so you are telling me...that if Schumer or any Democrat is found to have falsified some business records, you'll want them prosecuted?

This ain't about a porn star. This ain't asking a lawyer to pay her off. This is about Donald Trump. And no, Schumer wouldn't get prosecuted for anything in NY County. Certainly not a felony...you and I could steal several TV's from Best Buy and Alvin would knock it down to a misdemeanor.

The issue here isn't Trump doing something good or bad, the issue is treating him differently because of his name.

 

[TorontoGold]

Lol so you are telling me...that if Schumer or any Democrat is found to have falsified some business records, you'll want them prosecuted?

This ain't about a porn star. This ain't asking a lawyer to pay her off. This is about Donald Trump. And no, Schumer wouldn't get prosecuted for anything in NY County. Certainly not a felony...you and I could steal several TV's from Best Buy and Alvin would knock it down to a misdemeanor.

The issue here isn't Trump doing something good or bad, the issue is treating him differently because of his name.

Don't tempt me with a good time.

I agree, Trump has been treated completely different because of his name. If anyone did what he did they would already be indicted.

 

[NorthDakota]

Don't tempt me with a good time.

I agree, Trump has been treated completely different because of his name. If anyone did what he did they would already be indicted.

They wouldn't though.

 

[TorontoGold]

They wouldn't though.

Of course they would. Chris Collins, and Anthony Weiner are both from NY and didn't get the same special treatment Donny is getting. Corrine Brown's situation seems pretty similar to the type of stuff the Trump family has been engaged with, yet she went to jail and they haven't. Michael Grimm's GF got arrested for $10K donation to his campaign....wonder if any ancillary Trump family members will go to jail? He then went to jail for 7 months for tax fraud for under reporting revenues by 900k over four years - I think we can all agree Donald will likely not step foot into a jail and depending on the size of the business falsifications it's possible that it'll be over 900k. Outside of NY, Jesse Jackson Jr got GG'd for campaign fraud.

There tons of examples whether it's in NY, D or R, or any other state where similar situations turned out differently for significantly less notorious people. Donald is getting the most bigly good treatment.

 

[NorthDakota]

Of course they would. Chris Collins, and Anthony Weiner are both from NY and didn't get the same special treatment Donny is getting. Corrine Brown's situation seems pretty similar to the type of stuff the Trump family has been engaged with, yet she went to jail and they haven't. Michael Grimm's GF got arrested for $10K donation to his campaign....wonder if any ancillary Trump family members will go to jail? He then went to jail for 7 months for tax fraud for under reporting revenues by 900k over four years - I think we can all agree Donald will likely not step foot into a jail and depending on the size of the business falsifications it's possible that it'll be over 900k. Outside of NY, Jesse Jackson Jr got GG'd for campaign fraud.

There tons of examples whether it's in NY, D or R, or any other state where similar situations turned out differently for significantly less notorious people. Donald is getting the most bigly good treatment.

You listed a bunch of problematic people who replacing was a net positive for the party.

 

[TorontoGold]

You listed a bunch of problematic people who replacing was a net positive for the party.

My interpretation of this statement is that; they were only prosecuted because of the pressure the respective political party put on the DA's to charge them.

If that's the case, then they've received less favors than Donald has gotten. Due to his elevated position he has received exponentially more benefits than the average politician, much less the average person.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

You listed a bunch of problematic people who replacing was a net positive for the party.

Goalposts, Dak. Goalposts.

 

[NorthDakota]

My interpretation of this statement is that; they were only prosecuted because of the pressure the respective political party put on the DA's to charge them.

If that's the case, then they've received less favors than Donald has gotten. Due to his elevated position he has received exponentially more benefits than the average politician, much less the average person.

You interpreted correctly, parties love using their pull to get rid of problematic members. However, going after political adversaries with the courts is different. Its something we as a country have done a pretty good job of steering clear of. At least with high profile types. I read that DJT (allegedly) told DOJ to lay off Hillary after he beat her following the "lock her up" campaign.

End of the day, Donald Trump isn't being charged because he paid off a porn star. He's being charged because he beat Hillary Clinton and caused a ruckus after losing to Joe Biden.

You and I would not get in trouble for this sorta thing. But if the charges are what they seem to be, prosecutors everywhere have carte blanche to start being turds. What's to stop the Koch's from buying Biden or Obama or Clinton home county prosecutor roles and indicating them on this, that, and the other low level misconduct?

 

[NorthDakota]

Goalposts, Dak. Goalposts.

It is, and it isn't. This is a very odd situation. Plus my job requires me to move goalposts lol.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

It is, and it isn't. This is a very odd situation. Plus my job requires me to move goalposts lol.

You never told me what type of law you practice…

 

[NorthDakota]

if true, this is the prosecutor's office we are dealing with. This seems a bit weird, skeptical but he's done this before.

 

[NorthDakota]

You never told me what type of law you practice…

You are correct. I litigate. Civil stuff.

 

[ulukinatme]

From one of the most well respected conservative judges….

Judge Luttig Has a Warning for America

Our democracy is “under vicious, unsustainable, and unendurable attack—from within.”

morningshots.thebulwark.com

Interesting talk, it was a good hour long. He talked a bit about January 6th, but the overall message was the politicization of the nation, the divisive nature of our politicians today, and how it's poisoning our country and infecting even law on both sides of the aisle. We're failing to come together as a people, both sides are putting party before country as attacks continue to escalate.

 

[TorontoGold]

You interpreted correctly, parties love using their pull to get rid of problematic members. However, going after political adversaries with the courts is different. Its something we as a country have done a pretty good job of steering clear of. At least with high profile types. I read that DJT (allegedly) told DOJ to lay off Hillary after he beat her following the "lock her up" campaign.

End of the day, Donald Trump isn't being charged because he paid off a porn star. He's being charged because he beat Hillary Clinton and caused a ruckus after losing to Joe Biden.

You and I would not get in trouble for this sorta thing. But if the charges are what they seem to be, prosecutors everywhere have carte blanche to start being turds. What's to stop the Koch's from buying Biden or Obama or Clinton home county prosecutor roles and indicating them on this, that, and the other low level misconduct?

I guess Jeff Sessions didn't oblige? Surprise, Surprise: The DOJ’s Hillary Clinton Investigation Has Been a Bust

I don't think anyone here was arguing for HRC to not be investigated, correct? That's the exact issue though, high profile people get away with insane shit that we'd never have a hope at doing ourselves.

We don't know the exact charges yet. If it turns out to be based in financial crimes then I don't see how anyone can say "oh this is political". You and I would absolutely get thrown in jail for anything that relates to tax fraud and other falsifications. I've seen with my own experiences clients that we've turned down because they are sketchy be thrown into jail, it happens. The smoking gun to all of this was when his own accountants fired him as a client. You don't fire a career making client unless there is serious shit going down.

Ok, and they can do that and it will get litigated in court? I don't see that as a negative. If legit prosecutor thinks its a crime then of course they should indict whoever they see fit. The lawyers that any person on the Barry/Brandon/HRC level scale would hire would find a way out of a weak case.

 

[NorthDakota]

I guess Jeff Sessions didn't oblige? Surprise, Surprise: The DOJ’s Hillary Clinton Investigation Has Been a Bust

I don't think anyone here was arguing for HRC to not be investigated, correct? That's the exact issue though, high profile people get away with insane shit that we'd never have a hope at doing ourselves.

We don't know the exact charges yet. If it turns out to be based in financial crimes then I don't see how anyone can say "oh this is political". You and I would absolutely get thrown in jail for anything that relates to tax fraud and other falsifications. I've seen with my own experiences clients that we've turned down because they are sketchy be thrown into jail, it happens. The smoking gun to all of this was when his own accountants fired him as a client. You don't fire a career making client unless there is serious shit going down.

Ok, and they can do that and it will get litigated in court? I don't see that as a negative. If legit prosecutor thinks its a crime then of course they should indict whoever they see fit. The lawyers that any person on the Barry/Brandon/HRC level scale would hire would find a way out of a weak case.

Sessions and the like played the game the way it has been played, particularly at the federal level. Hillary wasn't indicted because it wasn't brought to a grand jury. Comey's characterization of her conduct was that of a criminal. Instead of charging her, he just let it be known what she did right before an election.

Like you and I have said, we haven't seen the charges.... but this is possibly opening pandora's box with political prosecuting. And nobody serious wants that to happen.

 

[TorontoGold]

Sessions and the like played the game the way it has been played, particularly at the federal level. Hillary wasn't indicted because it wasn't brought to a grand jury. Comey's characterization of her conduct was that of a criminal. Instead of charging her, he just let it be known what she did right before an election.

Like you and I have said, we haven't seen the charges.... but this is possibly opening pandora's box with political prosecuting. And nobody serious wants that to happen.

Comey, a republican, said no reasonable prosecutor would bring a case. It would be a huge stretch to claim that he said her conduct was criminal. If that was the case, then there is no doubt she would have been charged.

The pandora's box of charging someone for financial crimes is not one people should be worried about. As we've seen countless times financial crimes are never seriously pursued.

 

[Irish#1]

Yep, he needs to go away. I’ve always said the best thing for everyone is to ignore him. Don’t give him any coverage but the media can’t help themselves. I read where his campaign raised something like 4 million as soon as the indictment came out.

Curious as to why Tor, Cack, 41, Gat and SnD didn’t like this post? You don’t want him to drift into oblivion? 🥴

 

[Irish#1]

All of this is because it’s Trump. He was an outsider that didn’t play by the DC rules and wasn’t afraid to speak his mind without using DC speak. He made it worse when he refused to accept the election results. Regardless, He had a bullseye on his back the minute he was nominated.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Curious as to why Tor, Cack, 41, Gat and SnD didn’t like this post? You don’t want him to drift into oblivion? 🥴

Because I want him to rot in a prison cell. I want him held accountable for his 60+ years of criminal behavior. He’s been a criminal, both white and blue collar, virtually his entire life. He used the White House to make billions of dollars for himself and his family, colluded with the biggest enemy of our lifetimes (read the fuckin’ Mueller Report,) and perpetrated an attempted coup on our democracy! If it were up to me, he’d be tried, convicted, and executed on live tv for the world to see.

PS I don’t want to hear any whataboutisms; nobody in American politics has ever done anything close to what he’s done.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I guess that makes sense on why you didn't like #1's post.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Because I want him to rot in a prison cell. I want him held accountable for his 60+ years of criminal behavior. He’s been a criminal, both white and blue collar, virtually his entire life. He used the White House to make billions of dollars for himself and his family, colluded with the biggest enemy of our lifetimes (read the fuckin’ Mueller Report,) and perpetrated an attempted coup on our democracy! If it were up to me, he’d be tried, convicted, and executed on live tv for the world to see.

PS I don’t want to hear any whataboutisms; nobody in American politics has ever done anything close to what he’s done.

Complete and utter hogwash. You, Cack, Toronto, 41, and the rest of the Beta Boys Socialist Pride Club don't give a flip about threats to democracy, corruption in politics, or criminal politicians. You've long turned a blind eye to much worse in every way from your side, so spare us the phony moral outrage. You just want to gripe about everything on the other side of the political divide and virtue signal to your fellow club members. Give it a rest. Nobody's buying it.

 

[TorontoGold]

Curious as to why Tor, Cack, 41, Gat and SnD didn’t like this post? You don’t want him to drift into oblivion? 🥴

No? He's doing a great job showing that the Republican party shouldn't be considered a serious option until they can unilaterally denounce him. Would have thought the whole Jan 6th thing would have been the final blow for his support from the GOP establishment but alas here we are.

 

[TorontoGold]

Complete and utter hogwash. You, Cack, Toronto, 41, and the rest of the Beta Boys Socialist Pride Club don't give a flip about threats to democracy, corruption in politics, or criminal politicians. You've long turned a blind eye to much worse in every way from your side, so spare us the phony moral outrage. You just want to gripe about everything on the other side of the political divide and virtue signal to your fellow club members. Give it a rest. Nobody's buying it.

What about @GATTACA! there's no *shot* that he gets left out of the BBSPC! Come on get him in the club, I have his membership card ready.

 

[ab2cmiller]

What about @GATTACA! there's no *shot* that he gets left out of the BBSPC! Come on get him in the club, I have his membership card ready.

GATTACA's got some work to do to reach the level of the other four. Just my opinion. LOL

 

[NorthDakota]

Comey, a republican, said no reasonable prosecutor would bring a case. It would be a huge stretch to claim that he said her conduct was criminal. If that was the case, then there is no doubt she would have been charged.

The pandora's box of charging someone for financial crimes is not one people should be worried about. As we've seen countless times financial crimes are never seriously pursued.

Comey isn't a republican. He can claim he is. Dude wears Biden/Harris shirts....uses Biden/Harris coffee mugs. He's likely a relatively moderate guy. But Republicans don't do that lol.

 

[NorthDakota]

Because I want him to rot in a prison cell. I want him held accountable for his 60+ years of criminal behavior. He’s been a criminal, both white and blue collar, virtually his entire life. He used the White House to make billions of dollars for himself and his family, colluded with the biggest enemy of our lifetimes (read the fuckin’ Mueller Report,) and perpetrated an attempted coup on our democracy! If it were up to me, he’d be tried, convicted, and executed on live tv for the world to see.

PS I don’t want to hear any whataboutisms; nobody in American politics has ever done anything close to what he’s done.

Joe Biden's daughter (allegedly) accuses her dad of showering with her. Is that worse than mischaracterizing hush money?

You want the dude executed because of the...Mueller report? Lol what

 

[TorontoGold]

GATTACA's got some work to do to reach the level of the other four. Just my opinion. LOL

Idk he had a pretty good taken down on Bishop in the shooting thread. Don't think I've seen a response to his post, he might have salted the earth with that one.

Comey isn't a republican. He can claim he is. Dude wears Biden/Harris shirts....uses Biden/Harris coffee mugs. He's likely a relatively moderate guy. But Republicans don't do that lol.

At the time when he was the FBI director he was still a republican. Now, I agree he shouldn't be considered one. He's in the crime bill brandon boat for me.