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jprue24 said:
Big, long, thick study on the economic impact of immigration.

"With some variation and exceptions, the net fiscal impact of immigrants is more positive than it is for native‐born Americans and positive overall for the federal and state/local governments."

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I’ve posted similar studies several times and it will never be accepted as valid for any reason by most participants in this thread.

Never.

They will never accept “illegals” as anything positive for our country and only contribute to the white replacement.
 
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Cackalacky2.0 said:
Facts and logic undermine you at every turn. You fool!
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Intentionally misrepresenting me yet again, you know, I know, that you are a total dunce. I don't care what the stats or numbers say, my logic which has been affirmed by my narrow echo chamber has assured me that, I am, a very smart person who has the best logic and facts. You know why we make fun of you? Stop virtue signaling that you "care about others", why can't you be selfish like me?
 
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TorontoGold said:
Intentionally misrepresenting me yet again, you know, I know, that you are a total dunce. I don't care what the stats or numbers say, my logic which has been affirmed by my narrow echo chamber has assured me that, I am, a very smart person who has the best logic and facts. You know why we make fun of you? Stop virtue signaling that you "care about others", why can't you be selfish like me?
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You still can’t have me bruv. No matter how hard you try
 
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ab2cmiller said:
90% of SEIZURES happen at ports of entry. If you think that 90% of transportation is coming through ports of entry, I got a bridge to sell you.
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Please provide a source for this claim.


Here are facts:

  • Fentanyl smuggling is ultimately funded by U.S. consumers who pay for illicit opioids: nearly 99 percent of whom are U.S. citizens.
  • In 2021, U.S. citizens were 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers—ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense.
  • Over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes, so U.S. citizens (who are subject to less scrutiny) when crossing legally are the best smugglers.
  • The location of smuggling makes sense because hard drugs at ports of entry are about 97 percent less likely to be stopped than are people crossing illegally between them.
  • Just 0.02 percent of the people arrested by Border Patrol for crossing illegally possessed any fentanyl whatsoever.
  • U.S. Citizens Are Fentanyl Traffickers

    Fentanyl is primarily trafficked by U.S. citizens. The U.S. Sentencing Commission publishes data on all federal convictions, which includes demographic information on individuals convicted of fentanyl trafficking. Figure 1 shows the citizenship status of fentanyl traffickers for 2018 to 2021. Every year, U.S. citizens receive the most convictions by far. In 2021, U.S. citizens accounted for 86.3 percent of fentanyl trafficking convictions compared to just 8.9 percent for illegal immigrants.






    Note that since trafficking involves movement from Mexico to the United States, it is unclear how to measure the likelihood of conviction for a noncitizen without U.S. lawful immigration status or citizenship since the denominator would include most Mexicans in Mexico as well as anyone who crosses through Mexico. But regardless, the reality is that people with U.S. citizenship or residence traffic the vast majority of fentanyl, not illegal border crossers specifically or illegal immigrants generally.

    Indeed, this appears to be the case even for the most high‐profile cases. Aaron Reichlin‐Melnick of the American Immigration Council analyzed every Customs and Border Protection press release mentioning fentanyl over a 6‑month period and found just 3 percent involved illegal immigrants. This means that the agency itself believes the most important smugglers are U.S. citizens.
Tell me why I should be worried about illegal immigrants bringing in fentanyl again?

Maybe we should take the same do nothing approach to fentanyl that we do with guns. Blame the criminals Why do anything along the hoarder at all. We can’t stop all crossings. It’s going to get here anyway. Thoughts and prayers.
 
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I'm not even saying that fentanyl is even primarily being transported by illegal immigrants. I am suggesting that the problem of not having a strong border and enough agents results in a lot of immigration problems AND a drug trafficking problem AND a national security issue. You would think that the drug trafficking problem would help incentivize people to fix the border as it's a multi-faceted issue.

There was 600,000 gotaways in FY22. We look to be on pace to break that record this fiscal year. How many of those were drug traffickers, how many were people that could be a threat to our country. Unfortunately it sounds like the drone funding will be drying up and we will end up with a far less accurate number of gotaways in the future.

I find this part of the above post intriguing.
How in the world do they arrive at that number and is it meaningful as it relates to this discussion? I'm assuming they come up with a ratio of people stopped as a percentage of all people that crossed at ports of entry. Considering the vast majority are legal crossers, aren't we distorting this percentage? While it's technically accurate, I'd suggest it's usefulness is not all that great.

What we really want to know is what are the chances I'm going to get caught at a port of entry vs crossing illegally. The problem is we have zero clue how many people are successful trafficking the drugs at the port of entry or crossing illegally with drugs to come up with a numerator and a denominator. Maybe they've done some training exercises where undercover border agents try to smuggle stuff across and see how likely they are to get caught in the two styles of crossing.
 
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ab2cmiller said:
I'm not even saying that fentanyl is even primarily being transported by illegal immigrants. I am suggesting that the problem of not having a strong border and enough agents results in a lot of immigration problems AND a drug trafficking problem AND a national security issue. You would think that the drug trafficking problem would help incentivize people to fix the border as it's a multi-faceted issue.

There was 600,000 gotaways in FY22. We look to be on pace to break that record this fiscal year. How many of those were drug traffickers, how many were people that could be a threat to our country. Unfortunately it sounds like the drone funding will be drying up and we will end up with a far less accurate number of gotaways in the future.

I find this part of the above post intriguing.
How in the world do they arrive at that number and is it meaningful as it relates to this discussion? I'm assuming they come up with a ratio of people stopped as a percentage of all people that crossed at ports of entry. Considering the vast majority are legal crossers, aren't we distorting this percentage? While it's technically accurate, I'd suggest it's usefulness is not all that great.

What we really want to know is what are the chances I'm going to get caught at a port of entry vs crossing illegally. The problem is we have zero clue how many people are successful trafficking the drugs at the port of entry or crossing illegally with drugs to come up with a numerator and a denominator. Maybe they've done some training exercises where undercover border agents try to smuggle stuff across and see how likely they are to get caught in the two styles of crossing.
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ab2cmiller said:
I'm not even saying that fentanyl is even primarily being transported by illegal immigrants. I am suggesting that the problem of not having a strong border and enough agents results in a lot of immigration problems AND a drug trafficking problem AND a national security issue. You would think that the drug trafficking problem would help incentivize people to fix the border as it's a multi-faceted issue.

There was 600,000 gotaways in FY22. We look to be on pace to break that record this fiscal year. How many of those were drug traffickers, how many were people that could be a threat to our country. Unfortunately it sounds like the drone funding will be drying up and we will end up with a far less accurate number of gotaways in the future.

I find this part of the above post intriguing.
How in the world do they arrive at that number and is it meaningful as it relates to this discussion? I'm assuming they come up with a ratio of people stopped as a percentage of all people that crossed at ports of entry. Considering the vast majority are legal crossers, aren't we distorting this percentage? While it's technically accurate, I'd suggest it's usefulness is not all that great.

What we really want to know is what are the chances I'm going to get caught at a port of entry vs crossing illegally. The problem is we have zero clue how many people are successful trafficking the drugs at the port of entry or crossing illegally with drugs to come up with a numerator and a denominator. Maybe they've done some training exercises where undercover border agents try to smuggle stuff across and see how likely they are to get caught in the two styles of crossing.
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Your big issue for fentanyl smuggling is this: it's really potent, and doesn't take up much space. If you ratchet up enforcement you'll catch more heroin and increase the incentive to use fentanyl.

Illegal immigrants tend to avoid smuggling drugs because any crime is likely to get them deported. The groups that smuggle them also have their hands in the drug trade, so there's a linkage. It's not clear though that smashing their ability to smuggle people would harm their ability to move drugs (they might lean harder on that revenue stream even)

To me you've got to attack drugs on the demand side. Portugal style opioid policy, and probably legalize cocaine (heavily regulated and taxed up the wazoo).
 
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😂. She is right. Again immigrants fill over 95% of the shit ass jobs Americans just won’t do. Without immigrants doing these jobs our economy would collapse and you guys keep fucking with them.

Remember when Bama went on a immigrant crackdown:
www.theguardian.com

Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown

The day before harsh new laws came into effect, Brian Cash had 65 Hispanic men picking tomatoes. Now he has none
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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Cackalacky2.0 said:
😂. She is right. Again immigrants fill over 95% of the shit ass jobs Americans just won’t do. Without immigrants doing these jobs our economy would collapse and you guys keep fucking with them.

Remember when Bama went on a immigrant crackdown:
www.theguardian.com

Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown

The day before harsh new laws came into effect, Brian Cash had 65 Hispanic men picking tomatoes. Now he has none
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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tHeYlL jUsT iNcReAsE wAgEs!!
 
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It won’t be solved until we have full coverage of the border with armed drones killing anything trying to cross. There needs to be a no man’s land with fully manned trenches 24-7. Anyone who tries to cross gets killed.
 
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