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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 13.1%
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    Votes: 130 36.9%

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NorthDakota

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Call the fucking number. It’s the SPLC. They are the only ones that keep track of membership. Ask “how many white supremacist hate group members are there?” They will give you rough numbers.
I dont call numbers that don't show up on google.

Have them send over a spreadsheet or something akin. I'd like to see their work. Can't find anything from my internet searches, but surely they have some materials for interested people to review.
 

SeekNDestroy

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I dont call numbers that don't show up on google.

Have them send over a spreadsheet or something akin. I'd like to see their work. Can't find anything from my internet searches, but surely they have some materials for interested people to review.
I’m not doing anything else for you. I don’t care if you believe the numbers or not. Again, for the final time, this has nothing to do with my original point regarding Republicans and white supremacists.
 

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I dont call numbers that don't show up on google.

Have them send over a spreadsheet or something akin. I'd like to see their work. Can't find anything from my internet searches, but surely they have some materials for interested people to review.

Yeah I searched as well. You can't even get a rough estimate of how many there are. They are out there bt I'll bet the number is small. They are shunned. Even here in he south.

You're always going to have some idiots. Whether it's these people, NAMBLA members and sympathizers, anti-semites, 1 percenter biker gangs, cults, whatever. They exist and always will. Fortunately, they re on the very fringe of everyday society.
 

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I’m not doing anything else for you. I don’t care if you believe the numbers or not. Again, for the final time, this has nothing to do with my original point regarding Republicans and white supremacists.
Doing "anything else" would require you to have done something to begin with.

You seem to care quite a bit if I believe these "numbers" you claim exist.
 

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This article is several years old, but it appears the SLPC doesn't know. They're guessing at the number of groups, but make no statement about the total number. I found it interesting that they left off Antifa. l guess that hate group doesn't count?

 

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This article is several years old, but it appears the SLPC doesn't know. They're guessing at the number of groups, but make no statement about the total number. I found it interesting that they left off Antifa. l guess that hate group doesn't count?

Antifa isn’t a white supremacist group. They hate fascists, not ethnic minorities.
 

NorthDakota

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You don’t seem to understand what a hate group is. And no, I won’t be explaining it to you.
I'll just use SPLC since you place a lot of authority in them.

"General Hate groups espouse various ideologies of hatred and include . . . Other (hodgepodge of hate doctrine)."

"A hate group is an organization that—based on its official statements or principles, the statements of its leaders, or its activities—has beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people."

"A “group” is an entity that has a process through which followers identify themselves as being part of the group, such as donating . . . [or] participating in activities . . .."

So yep, Antifa would fall within that set of definitions.
 

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SeekNDestroy

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I'll just use SPLC since you place a lot of authority in them.

"General Hate groups espouse various ideologies of hatred and include . . . Other (hodgepodge of hate doctrine)."

"A hate group is an organization that—based on its official statements or principles, the statements of its leaders, or its activities—has beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people."

"A “group” is an entity that has a process through which followers identify themselves as being part of the group, such as donating . . . [or] participating in activities . . .."

So yep, Antifa would fall within that set of definitions.
No, it doesn’t.
 

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This article is several years old, but it appears the SLPC doesn't know. They're guessing at the number of groups, but make no statement about the total number. I found it interesting that they left off Antifa. l guess that hate group doesn't count?

SPLC is a hate group. They support the Antifa extremists.


The greatest generation were antifa.
Dumbass statement. The greatest generation didn't use mob tactics for far-left causes in gender neutral clothing.
 

NorthDakota

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No, it doesn’t.
Sure it does. It means the SPLC definitions for it. Just because SPLC elects not to call it one, doesn't change a thing.

They provided definitions for their criteria. Antifa satisfies those definitions. Not my fault they lack consistency. Perhaps this is part of the reason they aren't looked at as the gold standard anymore
 

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The greatest generation were antifa.
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The greatest generation were antifa.
I know I give you a lot of grief for some of your misguided, naive, ridiculous takes, but of all the goofy, ignorant, totally lacking in self-awareness, immature nonsense you've posted over the years, this has to be the absolute worst by far. Seriously. Your grasp of history and reality are frighteningly distorted.
 

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I know I give you a lot of grief for some of your misguided, naive, ridiculous takes, but of all the goofy, ignorant, totally lacking in self-awareness, immature nonsense you've posted over the years, this has to be the absolute worst by far. Seriously. Your grasp of history and reality are frighteningly distorted.
You've had at least a day to respond with support to your Portland take. I'll take it you don't support your position since you can't respond? Just let me know, no shame in admitting you were wrong. This your chance to show you can use "facts and logic" as you so often tout. Prove everyone wrong that thinks you duck when asked to support your position or that you can only converse in petty insults. What will it be.

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You've had at least a day to respond with support to your Portland take. I'll take it you don't support your position since you can't respond? Just let me know, no shame in admitting you were wrong. This your chance to show you can use "facts and logic" as you so often tout. Prove everyone wrong that thinks you duck when asked to support your position or that you can only converse in petty insults. What will it be.

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I've already posted my take and supported it factually and reasonably. You're 100% wrong on the matter. You've responded with your typical spin and nonsense... the Toronto Vortex as it's come to be known. I see no use in wasting more time discussing it. I'm not interested in arguing that 2+2=4 with someone who keeps changing the definition of numbers and wants to argue about what = means. As I've had to tell you more than once in the past, when you want to discuss anything factually, rationally, without spinning, without dodging, without intentionally misrepresenting things, without intentionally misunderstanding, and instead argue or discuss in good faith, by all means let me know. Until then, I'll usually just skip over most of your posts.
 

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Here's an article where the SLPC says the number of Proud Boys increased, but overall the number of hate groups declined in 2021. Also can only estimate the number of groups, but not the estimated overall number.

 
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Sure it does. It means the SPLC definitions for it. Just because SPLC elects not to call it one, doesn't change a thing.

They provided definitions for their criteria. Antifa satisfies those definitions. Not my fault they lack consistency. Perhaps this is part of the reason they aren't looked at as the gold standard anymore
A rose by any other name...........
 

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I've already posted my take and supported it factually and reasonably. You're 100% wrong on the matter. You've responded with your typical spin and nonsense... the Toronto Vortex as it's come to be known. I see no use in wasting more time discussing it. I'm not interested in arguing that 2+2=4 with someone who keeps changing the definition of numbers and wants to argue about what = means. As I've had to tell you more than once in the past, when you want to discuss anything factually, rationally, without spinning, without dodging, without intentionally misrepresenting things, without intentionally misunderstanding, and instead argue or discuss in good faith, by all means let me know. Until then, I'll usually just skip over most of your posts.
So crime stats from Portland, population stats, and Walmarts own financial statements are just spin and I'm wrong. Oh, and the "defund" aspect is right even though the had only 1 year with a dip.

Somehow "dude trust me" is better than all that. Even though YJ was a pain he at least was able to leave the culture war safe space. He possessed the rare ability to interpret data and formulate thoughts using data.
 
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