'22 CA WR C.J. Williams (Southern Cal Verbal)

[Whiskeyjack]

Personally, I want zero part of this guy coming to ND. It would be a very short stint if he did and a massive waste of everyone's time. No thanks. Bone for Tuna, C.J.

Flipping on NSD is a massive red flag for character concerns. He chose to burn whatever bridges might have existed to carry him back to South Bend.

 

[NDpendent]

is a massive red flag for character concerns. He chose to burn whatever bridges might have existed to carry him back to South Bend.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Flipping on NSD is a massive red flag for character concerns. He chose to burn whatever bridges might have existed to carry him back to South Bend.

agreed, we don't want kids thinking they can stand ND up at the alter and then come back whenever it's convenient.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Flipping on NSD is a massive red flag for character concerns. He chose to burn whatever bridges might have existed to carry him back to South Bend.

He decommitment prior to ESD, and then commitment at the UA/Army game in January. Walker was the one who flipped on ESD.

 

[GATTACA!]

He decommitment prior to ESD, and then commitment at the UA/Army game in January. Walker was the one who flipped on ESD.

Don’t let the facts get in the way of our outrage bro!

 

[ThePiombino]

So, just to be clear -- Jesus forgives, but NDFB does not?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

He decommitment prior to ESD, and then commitment at the UA/Army game in January. Walker was the one who flipped on ESD.

Don’t let the facts get in the way of our outrage bro!

He decommitted on 12/13/21, which was barely a week before ESD, leaving us no time to try to find an alternative. That he opted not to announce his commitment to USC until January was just a formality, since: (1) everyone knew he had flipped to the Trojans; and (2) it didn't hurt us any less.

So, just to be clear -- Jesus forgives, but NDFB does not?

There are tens of thousands of kids who would do anything to suit up for the Irish, but very few roster spots open each year. There's nothing unChristian about choosing not to waste such a precious resource on one of a mere handful of recent recruits who's selfishness/ short-sightedness caused measurable damage to the program already.

 

[GATTACA!]

He decommitted on 12/13/21, which was barely a week before ESD, leaving us no time to try to find an alternative. That he opted not to announce his commitment to USC until January was just a formality, since: (1) everyone knew he had flipped to the Trojans; and (2) it didn't hurt us any less.

There are tens of thousands of kids who would do anything to suit up for the Irish, but very few roster spots open each year. There's nothing unChristian about choosing not to waste such a precious resource on one of a mere handful of recent recruits who's selfishness/ short-sightedness caused measurable damage to the program already.

How many of those 10s of thousands are as talented as CJ Williams?

 

[Dale]

If he’s visiting Wisconsin this seems moot point anyways, he still believes he needs to be in an Air Raid to be successful

 

[Whiskeyjack]

How many of those 10s of thousands are as talented as CJ Williams

If we're including our portal options with proven P5 production, a lot of them.

Williams can FOH, and those of you simping for a primadonna from Mater Dei who burned ND because he bought Riley's snake oil and is already looking to bail are pathetic. Have some fucking pride.

 

[ColinKSU]

I can’t stress enough how little I care about a player’s high school recruitment if their portal recruitment helps Notre Dame win football games.

What are we even doing here drawing weird lines in the sand?

 

[ACamp1900]

We never should've recruited him in the first place. What is attractive about a slow, short, overaged, and overcoached California skill player?

Well I’m not short,…. But I still feel attacked

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I can’t stress enough how little I care about a player’s high school recruitment if their portal recruitment helps Notre Dame win football games.

What are we even doing here drawing weird lines in the sand?

You'd take Amorion Walker if he wanted to transfer? What sort of a message would taking Williams send to Merriweather, who was the only one who stuck with us at a position of desperate need through that shit-show?

Locker-room culture is a big deal, and we don't get burned by many kids. It's not a big sacrifice to avoid those kids for the rest of their careers out of respect for our current players who did things the right way.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I can’t stress enough how little I care about a player’s high school recruitment if their portal recruitment helps Notre Dame win football games.

What are we even doing here drawing weird lines in the sand?

At some point, is it going to be all G5 type schools acting as the "minors" for the P5 schools? Will HS recruiting become a thing of the past?

The answer is most likely NO, but at what point do we decide that we will recruit 10-15/class and fill the rest with the portal?

Wild West man

 

[Irish du Nord]

It can't be understated how much CJ's decommitment left ND (and Del, Tommy) in the lurch. We had Matt Salerno playing meaningful snaps all season out of necessity and had to play Xavier Watts both ways in fall camp, in large part because we only had one recruit from the '22 class due to CJ and Amorion Walker's decision to flip to our two biggest rivals right before signing day. I do not wish either of them success, and I do not want them on the team.

 

[Rack Em]

If we're including our portal options with proven P5 production, a lot of them.

Williams can FOH, and those of you simping for a primadonna from Mater Dei who burned ND because he bought Riley's snake oil and is already looking to bail are pathetic. Have some fucking pride.

ACamp has no shame. Is that good enough?

 

[Irish#1]

You'd take Amorion Walker if he wanted to transfer? What sort of a message would taking Williams send to Merriweather, who was the only one who stuck with us at a position of desperate need through that shit-show?

Locker-room culture is a big deal, and we don't get burned by many kids. It's not a big sacrifice to avoid those kids for the rest of their careers out of respect for our current players who did things the right way.

That can't be stressed enough. You don't want a "me first" guy influencing or disrupting the culture.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Amorion Walker was not a big loss. He was overrated and I don't think he would have seen much playing time. CJs decommitment was a huge blow. I don't care to see him at ND regardless of how high is floor is. I would rather see ND take a proven veteran

Amorion doesn't play yet = not good
CJ doesn't play yet = good

ok

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I don't get your point. I don't want either but CJ is definitely significantly better then Amorion

You could actually, pretty easily, argue that Amorion has a higher ceiling with his atheltic abilities. CJ higher floor, sure.

 

[Deirishpisser]

Hey CJ...eat dung.

 

[IrishFanForever23]

I don't get your point. I don't want either but CJ is definitely significantly better then Amorion

Definitely significantly better based on what exactly?

 

[ThePiombino]

It can't be understated how much CJ's decommitment left ND (and Del, Tommy) in the lurch. We had Matt Salerno playing meaningful snaps all season out of necessity and had to play Xavier Watts both ways in fall camp, in large part because we only had one recruit from the '22 class due to CJ and Amorion Walker's decision to flip to our two biggest rivals right before signing day. I do not wish either of them success, and I do not want them on the team.

Don't get it twisted. It's not CJ Williams's fault that the WR room's depth was putrid. That was all Del. One kid's decision later in the cycle to go elsewhere should never put a team behind the 8ball the way you're suggesting it did. Current staff would never let that happen.

 

[notredomer23]

I’m pretty sure Moron Walker was moved to defense this fall

 

[dublinirish]

12 personnel is not the friend of slot receivers I doubt he would have had much more impact for ND in 2022 than he did at USC


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[ThePiombino]

You'd take Amorion Walker if he wanted to transfer? What sort of a message would taking Williams send to Merriweather, who was the only one who stuck with us at a position of desperate need through that shit-show?

Locker-room culture is a big deal, and we don't get burned by many kids. It's not a big sacrifice to avoid those kids for the rest of their careers out of respect for our current players who did things the right way.

To be clear, not simping for Williams -- I don't think we need him. But I also wouldn't compare him to Walker. THAT was a malicious move and he can EABOD. CJ tho? That was just a young, impressionable kid who bought Riley's BS. I just don't think that's as big a deal as some are making it out to be. Would we be this mad if Del had properly stocked the WR room otherwise? Doubt it.

 

[ColinKSU]

You'd take Amorion Walker if he wanted to transfer? What sort of a message would taking Williams send to Merriweather, who was the only one who stuck with us at a position of desperate need through that shit-show?

Locker-room culture is a big deal, and we don't get burned by many kids. It's not a big sacrifice to avoid those kids for the rest of their careers out of respect for our current players who did things the right way.

I mean, you're welcome to not root for the kid if he comes to ND. Hope he gets the runs before every game or something. Have a ball. But Tommy and Marcus aren't going to reach out to IE to see if we're cool with them recruiting CJ Williams, so why should I care?

If they reached out, then they have more information than you or I have. They aren’t tanking their locker room for any one kid and they SURE aren’t doing it for one of CJ’s level.

People on here acting like they’re gatekeepers for Notre Dame’s culture is BIG WEIRD behavior.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

To be clear, not simping for Williams -- I don't think we need him. But I also wouldn't compare him to Walker. THAT was a malicious move and he can EABOD. CJ tho? That was just a young, impressionable kid who bought Riley's BS. I just don't think that's as big a deal as some are making it out to be. Would we be this mad if Del had properly stocked the WR room otherwise? Doubt it.

I agree that he's not as radioactive as Walker, but he's still on a short shit-list of highly rated recruits at a position of need that voluntarily burned us close to ESD. For that reason, I would pass on him.

I mean, you're welcome to not root for the kid if he comes to ND. Hope he gets the runs before every game or something. Have a ball. But Tommy and Marcus aren't going to reach out to IE to see if we're cool with them recruiting CJ Williams, so why should I care?

If they reached out, then they have more information than you or I have. They aren’t tanking their locker room for any one kid and they SURE aren’t doing it for one of CJ’s level.

People on here acting like they’re gatekeepers for Notre Dame’s culture is BIG WEIRD behavior.

AFAIK, no one has any intel as to whether or not we've reached out to him. If Freeman or Rees did so, then I'll happily trust their judgment and assume that Williams can be brought in without risking the locker-room culture.

But the last few pages haven't been, "Assuming there's mutual interest, how would you feel about Williams?" It's been about whether we should reach out at all. And based on how he ended his recruitment last year, I'd pass. Don't think there's anything BIG WEIRD about that. We're all here to air our opinions on NDFB.

 

[ColinKSU]

I agree that he's not as radioactive as Walker, but he's still on a short shit-list of highly rated recruits at a position of need that voluntarily burned us close to ESD. For that reason, I would pass on him.

AFAIK, no one has any intel as to whether or not we've reached out to him. If Freeman or Rees did so, then I'll happily trust their judgment and assume that Williams can be brought in without risking the locker-room culture.

But the last few pages haven't been, "Assuming there's mutual interest, how would you feel about Williams?" It's been about whether we should reach out at all. And based on how he ended his recruitment last year, I'd pass. Don't think there's anything BIG WEIRD about that. We're all here to air our opinions on NDFB.

Of course everyone’s allowed to air their opinions! I’m confused by the utter shock that someone could even consider reaching out to CJ Williams.

If they’re reached out, then it’s because they know what they’re doing and what they’d be inviting in. And from reporting I’ve seen, then they’ve already had some form conversation. Conversations that maybe won’t go anywhere, but they’re in the winning business and they must at least think he can help them do that.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

Given the state of our WR group over the past few years (which, of course, is BK’s and Del’s fault), I don’t think we really get to be too picky in dismissing the opportunity here. While I’m excited for the young guys to contribute, and I think greater days are ahead, I’m not going to believe it until we see it.

Really feels like there’s less risk here than potential reward. Locker room culture is a thing, but so is WR production. I’d rather take a shot than not, especially if MMFF, Chansi, and the team are all on board with it.

 

[GATTACA!]

Given the state of our WR group over the past few years (which, of course, is BK’s and Del’s fault), I don’t think we really get to be too picky in dismissing the opportunity here. While I’m excited for the young guys to contribute, and I think greater days are ahead, I’m not going to believe it until we see it.

Really feels like there’s less risk here than potential reward. Locker room culture is a thing, but so is WR production. I’d rather take a shot than not, especially if MFMF, Chansi, and the team are all on board with it.

Nope. Whiskey already crossed out his picture in his yearbook and tore out the CJ pages in his diary.