'23 WA RB Jayden Limar (Oregon Signee)

[Jiggafini19Deux]

See, I don’t think things are unraveling as a whole, the class will still look really good on paper. But, if you have 27 guys committed and lose 3, on the surface, who cares. However, if 2 of those 3 are the same position group then it matters a little more. It can create roster gaps like S and WR last cycle.

In general, this is the risk of this type of recruiting structure and it’s been fairly obvious for awhile now.

I agree, but the street runs both ways with four lanes. There is time to offer guys and flip players into the fold. I'm the first one that would have wanted to bring in Love, Limar and Edwards into that RB room.

All in all, with this transfer portal, I'm not getting terribly attached to anything outside of the Gold Helmet and interlocking ND logo because that's about all I can count on being constant. The human beings come and go.

 

[NDIrish1988]

Pretty funny to believe that Georgetown of the Midwest is some put down. Even with the market boom for football, there is still a whole lot more $$ in being an elite Academic institution.

It is bc then you might as well drop out of D1 entirely

 

[irishff1014]

I think this has less to do with NIL and more to due with poor process/planning. Committed kids shouldn’t be taking visits. End of story. NIL isn’t affecting Adon Shuler. NIL isn’t affecting Christian Gray. Both studs with other big offers.

The reality is they accepted commitments from kids that weren’t ready to shut it down. That’s just bad management. This is the same thing that fucked S and WR last cycle.

They have parents that aren’t pumping their kids out.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I think this has less to do with NIL and more to due with poor process/planning. Committed kids shouldn’t be taking visits. End of story. NIL isn’t affecting Adon Shuler. NIL isn’t affecting Christian Gray. Both studs with other big offers.

The reality is they accepted commitments from kids that weren’t ready to shut it down. That’s just bad management. This is the same thing that fucked S and WR last cycle.

This really is a great point, but it becomes the question of do you hang around for the Keeley and Bowen guys or do you move on and head straight for the Robinsons and Hillmans? When do you move on to the next wave of offers where you're likely to fill spots? You can just as easily manage it badly in a totally different manner.

I still say nothing means anything until they sign something, but in this instance we have a first time HC that maybe learned some tough lessons from his first full cycle as an HC.

 

[NDIrish1988]

The first positive comment will be his first.

I mentioned the RB room being stacked. That’s true even if Tyree transfers.

 

[NDIrish1988]

This really is a great point, but it becomes the question of do you hang around for the Keeley and Bowen guys or do you move on and head straight for the Robinsons and Hillmans? When do you move on to the next wave of offers where you're likely to fill spots? You can just as easily manage it badly in a totally different manner.

I still say nothing means anything until they sign something, but in this instance we have a first time HC that maybe learned some tough lessons from his first full cycle as an HC.

If you’re not attempting to recruit the elite players, then drop out of D1. This is ND, not Washington St.

 

[Irish#1]

I mentioned the RB room being stacked. That’s true even if Tyree transfers.

1 out of what 200+?

At least it's a start.

 

[Irish#1]

This really is a great point, but it becomes the question of do you hang around for the Keeley and Bowen guys or do you move on and head straight for the Robinsons and Hillmans? When do you move on to the next wave of offers where you're likely to fill spots? You can just as easily manage it badly in a totally different manner.

I still say nothing means anything until they sign something, but in this instance we have a first time HC that maybe learned some tough lessons from his first full cycle as an HC.

Have to ask the tough questions and put the kid in a position where he knows you have other options. "Love to have you, but we're not waiting forever".

 

[NDIrish1988]

1 out of what 200+?

At least it's a start.

The WRs in this class are good. The young LBs and Morrison are promising. They have 2 1st round picks at Tackle.

 

[NDIrish1988]

Have to ask the tough questions and put the kid in a position where he knows you have other options. "Love to have you, but we're not waiting forever".

As with everything in life, the better you are at something, the more leeway you get.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Have to ask the tough questions and put the kid in a position where he knows you have other options. "Love to have you, but we're not waiting forever".

Right, but we're talking about five star players with P5 offers from virtually everyone else, hence the dilemma.

 

[NDIrish1988]

Right, but we're talking about five star players with P5 offers from virtually everyone else, hence the dilemma.

It’s not a dilemma, you have to pursue them no matter what. Assuming, they’re realistically considering you. You don’t pursue them if they give a silent commitment but refuse to make it official for months, then you’re just getting played.

 

[Grahambo]

RB is the one position I care the least amount in terms of rankings. The OL matters more followed by scheme. If you have a stout OL, any D1 athlete can get yards. And you can scheme a good running game.

Just my opinion.

 

[NDIrish1988]

RB is the one position I care the least amount in terms of rankings. The OL matters more followed by scheme. If you have a stout OL, any D1 athlete can get yards. And you can scheme a good running game.

Just my opinion.

This isn’t the NFL, quality of RB matters. Someone like Love is a big time play maker and adds tremendous value to the Offense.

 

[Grahambo]

This isn’t the NFL, quality of RB matters. Someone like Love is a big time play maker and adds tremendous value to the Offense.

I appreciate your opinion.

 

[stlnd01]

Keeley was NIL. I know I say you can’t blame everything on NIL, but that one seems obvious to me.

Yeah we never lost big-time recruits to Bama before NIL.

I’m sure NIL was a factor but Keeley jumped early for us and then his rankings blew up and he started getting visits at school from Nick Saban. He wanted to look around. It’s human nature.

If he was just chasing a bag he would’ve looked more broadly, but he only visited Bama and Ohio State. People want to blame his uncle or whatever but I don’t think it’s that simple on this one.

 

[irishff1014]

Yeah we never lost big-time recruits to Bama before NIL.

I’m sure NIL was a factor but Keeley jumped early for us and then his rankings blew up and he started getting visits at school from Nick Saban. He wanted to look around. It’s human nature.

If he was just chasing a bag he would’ve looked more broadly, but he only visited Bama and Ohio State. People want to blame his uncle or whatever but I don’t think it’s that simple on this one.

He might have wanted to look around but his parents and uncle pumped him from what were told from the paid sites. They just sugar coated it.

 

[AlaskanIrish]

This really is a great point, but it becomes the question of do you hang around for the Keeley and Bowen guys or do you move on and head straight for the Robinsons and Hillmans? When do you move on to the next wave of offers where you're likely to fill spots? You can just as easily manage it badly in a totally different manner.

I still say nothing means anything until they sign something, but in this instance we have a first time HC that maybe learned some tough lessons from his first full cycle as an HC.

Both really good points. For me, at least theoretically, NIL and the transfer portal (regardless of your view on it) should allow Big Time schools to even out year-to-year. It seems the danger for ND lies with the (potential) transfer portal limitations. The traditional approach is to recruit kids, as best as possible, who are locked in for the ND Bachelor's Degree. I'm waiting to see how the two variables (transfer portal acceptance & retaining academically-minded recruits) play out.

 

[Blazers46]

My fucking ass. Football is an integral part of the university’s identity. They can play up the religious bullshit all they want, it means nothing. And I say this as a graduate of Catholic grade school, high school, and college.

I think you took that too literal.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The trolls who had been saying ND wasn't going to close and going to end up with another BK class may be becoming correct...

Don’t think I was ever trolling but I almost certainly said such things. I also said we’d realistically end up somewhere between 5-10 ranked class for 2023.

 

[Grahambo]

Don’t think I was ever trolling but I almost certainly said such things. I also said we’d realistically end up somewhere between 5-10 ranked class for 2023.

And for a first time head coach with no track record of success as a head coach on any level and at MF’s age? Not too shabby.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Football is critical to the school’s identity. It would be moronic to ignore that. Otherwise, they’re just Georgetown of the Midwest.

This is crazy talk. ND performs at elite levels in athletics too many to count not just football. It also is elite in academic prestige and selectivity. All of this eliteness stems solely from its established charter as a Catholic religious institution. GtFOH

 

[CanadalovesND]

And for a first time head coach with no track record of success as a head coach on any level and at MF’s age? Not too shabby.

Given the results of the season too, without disparaging a few quality victories against quality opponents, it's not too shabby - as you said.

 

[Crazy Balki]

And for a first time head coach with no track record of success as a head coach on any level and at MF’s age? Not too shabby.

Certainly a good class, but disappointing given the way it was trending earlier this year.

Losing out on Keeley and Moore was a big blow. If Bowen flips as well, that puts a serious damper on this class. Those are the type of talents we are missing on roster and have been for some time, and they're what's needed to get over the hump.

 

[Grahambo]

Certainly a good class, but disappointing given the way it was trending earlier this year.

Losing out on Keeley and Moore was a big blow. If Bowen flips as well, that puts a serious damper on this class. Those are the type of talents we are missing on roster and have been for some time, and they're what's needed to get over the hump.

I hear you. Not easy having to battle Nick Saban and Alabama, Phil Knight and Nike, or the allure of Los Angeles. He held his own and will only get better. If this is the bottom, I’ll take it.

 

[stpeteirish]

So why is when we land a recruit it’s Marcus is so much better than we’ve had but when we lose one it’s always factors out of his control like money or geography? Seems like some are in a form of denial. The difficulties in recruiting at ND are pretty much the way they’ve been for the last 20 years or so

 

[MacIrish75]

This is crazy talk. ND performs at elite levels in athletics too many to count not just football. It also is elite in academic prestige and selectivity. All of this eliteness stems solely from its established charter as a Catholic religious institution. GtFOH

Norte Dame:

The premiere fencing 🤺 institution in the contiguous 48 states.

 

[Crazy Balki]

So why is when we land a recruit it’s Marcus is so much better than we’ve had but when we lose one it’s always factors out of his control like money or geography? Seems like some are in a form of denial. The difficulties in recruiting at ND are pretty much the way they’ve been for the last 20 years or so

Because Marcus has to work that much harder to land top end talent because of the hurdles he has to work against compared to many other power football programs, where they can go all out with NIL and plug up holes in their roster by fully utilizing the portal.

It's not denial. It was painfully obvious that Keeley and Moore were lured away due to NIL. That's not something Marcus can control. It's on ND being more open to allowing their collectives to do more and then doing it. Marcus can only make the most of the situation he's in. And the harsh reality is that a lot of kids will be driven to stay closer to home.

Best he can do is to have contingencies in place should there be defectors and continue to hammer away at the big wigs at ND that the way they're doing business isn't gonna cut it anymore.

 

[NDIrish1988]

Are you saying religion means nothing at ND?
I can tell you that ND has a $20 billion endowment NOT because of football. It’s because if religion and educational donations.
And nobody cares you went to all Catholic schools, so did pedophiles & serial killers.

You are just whiny & negative. It’s football. Don’t have an aneurism over it.

Father Ted is considered a “god” but he’s still the idiot who hired Gerry Faust because he was a “devout Catholic.” Keep the clergy out of Football unless they want to go to the Vatican to get help with NIL.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Norte Dame:

The premiere fencing 🤺 institution in the contiguous 48 states.

You are goddamned right