2023 Transfer QB

[greyhammer90]

I want to get ahead of this now and share my reasonable and down-to-earth expectations on all this... whoever it is they bring in just needs to be Joe Burrow 2.0,... win the Heisman and lead the team to the Natty NEXT YEAR... or it's a complete misfire and everyone needs to be fired immediately.

Ironically unironically this.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Well 2+ years of eligibility, so 2 natties is the minimum or else #FreemanOut

We need to be reasonable here. Card is probably going pro after he wins the Heisman and ND wins the natty in 2023.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I've watched all the Card tape I can and I really don't see the Buchner comparisons at all. He's a 69.4% passer and tosses the ball effortlessly over 50 yards. He puts great touch on deep balls and wheel routes. When did we ever see Buchner put touch on a pass?

I got my impression of Card from the Alabama game. He was not overwhelmed, but he was not an impressive thrower when hurried at all. Alabama is a very good team, but they are not elite this year, so it’s what I wanted to see:



Like most QBs, I’m sure he’s incredible in some games. But I think you revert to form under duress and he’s not particularly accurate. I’d love a QB who is a natural thrower.

To me, Pyne’s completion numbers are completely misleading if you watched him play. He was fine some of the time, completely unserviceable a good amount of time, but had two excellent halves. The idea that he is a good, reliable QB is not true.

He’s streaky as heck with serious physical limitations.

 

[Free Manera]

Frankly I don’t think Pyne comparisons are even relevant. There is no chance Freeman and Rees are going into 2023 with him as a starter.

If I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet I wouldn’t be more surprised than if Pyne starts game 1 next year.

 

[bobbyok1]

I got my impression of Card from the Alabama game. He was not overwhelmed, but he was not an impressive thrower when hurried at all. Alabama is a very good team, but they are not elite this year, so it’s what I wanted to see:



Like most QBs, I’m sure he’s incredible in some games. But I think you revert to form under duress and he’s not particularly accurate. I’d love a QB who is a natural thrower.

To me, Pyne’s completion numbers are completely misleading if you watched him play. He was fine some of the time, completely unserviceable a good amount of time, but had two excellent halves. The idea that he is a good, reliable QB is not true.

He’s streaky as heck with serious physical limitations.

I think this take is way off.

First off, Alabama is loaded as always. Just because they didn't go undefeated AGAIN, does not mean they don't have tons of talent on the field at all times. They were in his face all game, and seemed to shut down the run game as well from THESE highlights (2.4 yds/carry).

Second, what part of his game did you not like? Not being picked despite constant pressure, flinging the ball 50 yards with ease in a place where the receivers had a chance to catch it, scrambling with his feet to get first downs and keep the chains moving, putting the ball in tight windows for completions?

I saw a very talented QB who was under duress from an elite defense (ranked #7) for most of the game, who made a number of big plays but couldn't always escape suffocating pressure. Not to mention his leg was hurt in the latter part of the game when he took most of those 3 sacks.

 

[Dale]

Pressured on 39% of DBs in that Bama game. Was hurt by the end. Alt not letting that happen.

Those aren’t cheap pressures either that’s free runners and future first round picks.

 

[IrishLion]

Ironically unironically this.

All we need is for Styles to turn into Justin Jefferson, for one of Merriweather/Greathouse/James to turn into Ja'Marr Chase, for Mitchell Evans/Eli Raridon/Holden Staes to combine for a Thaddeus Moss-like presence, and for Logan Diggs to turn into a guy that can also catch 30+ passes out of the backfield...

And THEN we can expect the transfer QB to throw for 5500 yards and 60+ TD's.

Very attainable stuff, imo.

 

[Luckylucci]

FWIW, he was apparently playing on a sprained ankle during the Bama game.

 

[NDRock]

Here's every throw he made in 2021

 

[FWIrish4]

I've watched all the Card tape I can and I really don't see the Buchner comparisons at all. He's a 69.4% passer and tosses the ball effortlessly over 50 yards. He puts great touch on deep balls and wheel routes. When did we ever see Buchner put touch on a pass?

Well the throw to Kevin Austin down the sideline in the VT game was an absolute dime. Also, he has plenty of arm strength. Go watch how effortlessly the ball comes of his hand with zip in the highlights. He needs to play more football.

Also, rewatching the highlights holy shit would he be infuriating to be an opposing fan to watch him run around like that. I truly think 1) if we ran RPO/play action offense immediately this year Buchner would have ran it very well. 2) the offensive line we ended up would have also benefited him immensely. Remember Caleb Williams scrambling in the pocket last week? Imagine if we had our own version with a great oline.

Edit: I’m also fully on board with a QB transfer. Competition breeds excellence which is sorely needed at our QB spot.

 

[benneboy]

Go watch the entire Bama game. Ewers was in full control in that game and Texas would've won had he not gone down, potentially by multiple scores. Card look comparably lost.

 

[NDPhilly]

Van Dyke allegedly staying at Miami

 

[Dale]

Go watch the entire Bama game. Ewers was in full control in that game and Texas would've won had he not gone down, potentially by multiple scores. Card look comparably lost.

Texas looks like that in almost every 1Q ever. Sample size is 12 passes only 1 of which he was pressured on. Bama didn’t blitz him once and blitzed Card 14 times. Apples and oranges.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Van Dyke allegedly staying at Miami

That's fine with me. I defended his 2022 stat line earlier in this thread but his arm strength is not inspiring.

 

[bobbyok1]

Texas looks like that in almost every 1Q ever. Sample size is 12 passes only 1 of which he was pressured on. Bama didn’t blitz him once and blitzed Card 14 times. Apples and oranges.

Bingo. Protection was there with lots of time to pass for Ewers no blitz. Not to mention Bama gave Texas two first downs by way of penalties on their opening scroing drive to start the game.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Van Dyke allegedly staying at Miami

Makes me wonder how their QB room shakes out in the off-season. TVD, Jacurri Brown, Jake Garcia... with Rashada coming in. Someone is going to bounce.

 

[Luckylucci]

With all due respect to Tyler Buchner, what these two have actually done on a collegiate football field as passers, is not similar.

Tyler Buchner, so far, has a career 57.6% comp pct. Card is 65.5%.

In 2022, Card had 5 games in which he threw 5 or more passes, was never below 63%. His 2022 comp pct. for those 5 games was 69%.

In 2022 Buch had 2 games in which he did. He was never above 60% comp pct. and the average of his 50 throws was 56%.

For Card, if you combine 2021 and 2022, it's 10 games of 5 or more passes with only 1 below 60%. The comp pct for those 10 games is 66%.

Tyler Buchner has literally never had a game in which he threw the ball 5 times or more and completed 60% of his passes. In games in which Buch has thrown the ball 5 times or more here are his pcts. 43%, 50%, 56%, and 56%.

At the present, Buch's floor as a passer is substantially less than Cards. While I think very highly of the Buchner, Card has more experience and proven much more capable of being an actual QB at this level.

 

[Irish4life]

I've watched all the Card tape I can and I really don't see the Buchner comparisons at all. He's a 69.4% passer and tosses the ball effortlessly over 50 yards. He puts great touch on deep balls and wheel routes. When did we ever see Buchner put touch on a pass?

They have the exact same skillset. Buchner's biggest problem is lack of reps in general. Card's biggest problem is awful pocket presence. He took more sacks in 3 games than Quinn Ewers took in 9.

 

[Irish4life]

With all due respect to Tyler Buchner, what these two have actually done on a collegiate football field as passers, is not similar.

Tyler Buchner, so far, has a career 57.6% comp pct. Card is 65.5%.

In 2022, Card had 5 games in which he threw 5 or more passes, was never below 63%. His 2022 comp pct. for those 5 games was 69%.

In 2022 Buch had 2 games in which he did. He was never above 60% comp pct. and the average of his 50 throws was 56%.

For Card, if you combine 2021 and 2022, it's 10 games of 5 or more passes with only 1 below 60%. The comp pct for those 10 games is 66%.

Tyler Buchner has literally never had a game in which he threw the ball 5 times or more and completed 60% of his passes. In games in which Buch has thrown the ball 5 times or more here are his pcts. 43%, 50%, 56%, and 56%.

At the present, Buch's floor as a passer is substantially less than Cards. While I think very highly of the Buchner, Card has more experience and proven much more capable of being an actual QB at this level.

I'm fine with bringing Card in as someone to compete with Buchner and Pyne for the starting job. But would he take a chance to start at ND vs a guaranteed spot at SMU or Houston? I don't believe Card is the QB you promise the job to. At all.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm fine with bringing Card in as someone to compete with Buchner and Pyne for the starting job. But would he take a chance to start at ND vs a guaranteed spot at SMU or Houston? I don't believe Card is the QB you promise the job to. At all.

There are very few guys that I'm promising the job too. So we agree on that. But, these two are not comparable skillsets.

 

[Free Manera]

I'm fine with bringing Card in as someone to compete with Buchner and Pyne for the starting job. But would he take a chance to start at ND vs a guaranteed spot at SMU or Houston? I don't believe Card is the QB you promise the job to. At all.

I hope that they would not promise him the job, he hasn't earned that deference. It should be a competition.

However I think he probably looks at the depth chart and feels very good about winning the job. Pyne is competing for #2, he's out as a starter. So it's down to Buchner and Angeli unless Minchey somehow shocks everyone. Angeli has never played, and probably never will start at ND if we're being honest. Buchner has played minimally, showing sketchy accuracy and touch. It's a situation where you aren't guaranteeing the starting job, but you're kind of calling it a competition with a wink and nod.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

He’s from the MAC so he must be worse than Pyne. So I’m told anyway.

Kurtis Rourke is probably less mobile than Jack Coan. That's with two good ACLs. I can't say what it looks like now. Probably not great.

Poor man's Jack Coan. From Canada. Ewww.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

FWIW, he was apparently playing on a sprained ankle during the Bama game.

Yeah, I was watching that game live. He was playing on one leg. He probably would have been taken out if they had a capable third stringer backing him up. And he was taking some shots from the Bama players, a couple of them kind of cheap.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Is it safe to assume that if they bring in a transfer, the guy is going to start? Not necessarily promised to start, but he's going to, right?

If they bring someone in that gets beat out by Pyne or Buchner, it seems like a total waste.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Is it safe to assume that if they bring in a transfer, the guy is going to start? Not necessarily promised to start, but he's going to, right?

If they bring someone in that gets beat out by Pyne or Buchner, it seems like a total waste.

They want to bring in some that they feel will upgrade the room. No point in bringing someone that you feel that cannot seperate themself from the rest of the group.

Of course, they job won't be handed to whomever it will be. There will be an open competition in spring practice, at the very least.

 

[NewBrunswickIrish]

Makes me wonder how their QB room shakes out in the off-season. TVD, Jacurri Brown, Jake Garcia... with Rashada coming in. Someone is going to bounce.

Rashada flipped to Florida.

But it will be interesting to see who starts next year there.

 

[Irish4life]

Rashada flipped to Florida.

But it will be interesting to see who starts next year there.

TVD is back

 

[CanadalovesND]

Kurtis Rourke is probably less mobile than Jack Coan. That's with two good ACLs. I can't say what it looks like now. Probably not great.

Poor man's Jack Coan. From Canada. Ewww.

Lol watch more of his highlights. If you want to say he's like Coan as a passer, that's fair, but Rourke can move around the pocket. They even called QB runs for him.

 

[Free Manera]

Is it safe to assume that if they bring in a transfer, the guy is going to start? Not necessarily promised to start, but he's going to, right?

If they bring someone in that gets beat out by Pyne or Buchner, it seems like a total waste.

Unofficial odds on the starter for next year:

Transfer -220
Buchner +170
Minchey +250
Angeli +280
Pyne +4200

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Lol watch more of his highlights. If you want to say he's like Coan as a passer, that's fair, but Rourke can move around the pocket. They even called QB runs for him.

He's very good and deserves MAC POY. He's played Syracuse, Northwestern, Penn State and Iowa State...and was bad.

I hate saying "it is what it is", but I've exhausted the discussion and I'm no doubt wrong, but I'm not getting paid for scouting or analysis, which is a good thing.