2023 Transfer QB

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I think if his medicals check out as you’d want it’s Leary of the names mentioned. But that is the magic if
I'm in the same boat except even in the best case scenario he's not going to be full speed in spring ball. Then ND is either handing him the job without competing for it or they're spending fall camp time sorting things out.
 

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Hudson is a solid option, but he isn't winning ND a Natty. (not sure that guy is out there)
 

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Do we think that Leary would be pushed out in favor of Finley or Morris next year at NC State? Or he just wants to be on a better team?
 

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I was thinking more of the 6-2, #2 Dual threat QB from the 2020 class whose numbers were better than the starter at Texas
I'm not saying he isn't going to work out or can't progress, but his stats need to be taken with a grain of salt. He started against 2 defenses that ranked 99th and 120th and put those numbers up. His worst start was against UTSA which ranked 66th playing in conference USA.

Pynes numbers were better against comparable or even better defenses with far lesser weapons at the skill positions.
 

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Can someone give a reasonable explanation as to why ND fans are so enamored with Card? This a recruiting rankings thing? He was the backup to a Qb that had a worse season than Pyne and most Texas fans I've talked to are baffled we are interested in him.

He cost them the Bama game, cost them the game against tech, and was pretty good against a couple bad defenses.

There are proven options out there
I want to talk about this for just a minute. First off its very debatable that Ewers was the better QB and deserved the job, Card put up better numbers then him.

Pyne is not close to Card, lets just look at some numbers.
Pyne throws an interception on 2.3% of his throws compared to Card 0.9% of throws
Average yards per completion 8 for Pyne 8.6 for Card
Completion percentage 64.6% for Pyne 69.4% for Card
Card Averages 2 more attempts per game and 2.5 more completions

I wish I could find a stat comparing passes batted down :ROFLMAO:

Card has way more confidence in throwing and a much stronger arm. Card spreads the ball around to more receivers instead of just looking at one target on every throw. If Pyne didn't have Mayer this year his stats would look much worse
 

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I want to talk about this for just a minute. First off its very debatable that Ewers was the better QB and deserved the job, Card put up better numbers then him.

Pyne is not close to Card, lets just look at some numbers.
Pyne throws an interception on 2.3% of his throws compared to Card 0.9% of throws
Average yards per completion 8 for Pyne 8.6 for Card
Completion percentage 64.6% for Pyne 69.4% for Card
Card Averages 2 more attempts per game and 2.5 more completions

I wish I could find a stat comparing passes batted down :ROFLMAO:

Card has way more confidence in throwing and a much stronger arm. Card spreads the ball around to more receivers instead of just looking at one target on every throw. If Pyne didn't have Mayer this year his stats would look much worse
Actually this is my biggest concern with him. He gets that deer in the headlights look to him with the slightest bit of adversity. Pyne stands in the pocket confidently and patiently. Think it's his biggest strength
 

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Actually this is my biggest concern with him. He gets that deer in the headlights look to him with the slightest bit of adversity. Pyne stands in the pocket confidently and patiently. Think it's his biggest strength

I feel like he (Pyne) does stand in the pocket, but most of the time it’s not confidently and patiently, it’s without awareness and hopeful.
 
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Actually this is my biggest concern with him. He gets that deer in the headlights look to him with the slightest bit of adversity. Pyne stands in the pocket confidently and patiently. Think it's his biggest strength

Because he can’t see what’s coming


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He is called a mastermind, genius and guru in this quick search of articles. 🤷‍♂️


I literally do not understand why Sark comes in for such high praise and how on earth he keeps getting these jobs. He landed perhaps the premier job in college football having gone 5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6, and 8-4 at a major program that has done better before and after. He then does okay to below-average at USC, gets fired for a drinking problem, goes to the Nick Saban School for Coaches Who Can't Coach Good and Want to Do Other Things Good Too, then gets hired at Texas and promptly goes 5-7. He drags them to an 8-4 record this year and then lands the top QB prospect in America. Like what? The man has never had a single season that the ND fanbase would be legitimately happy with in NINE SEASONS as a head coach. I just don't understand anything about his career, how he got the USC or Texas jobs, and why anyone thinks he is an even half-decent coach.
 

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I literally do not understand why Sark comes in for such high praise and how on earth he keeps getting these jobs. He landed perhaps the premier job in college football having gone 5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6, and 8-4 at a major program that has done better before and after. He then does okay to below-average at USC, gets fired for a drinking problem, goes to the Nick Saban School for Coaches Who Can't Coach Good and Want to Do Other Things Good Too, then gets hired at Texas and promptly goes 5-7. He drags them to an 8-4 record this year and then lands the top QB prospect in America. Like what? The man has never had a single season that the ND fanbase would be legitimately happy with in NINE SEASONS as a head coach. I just don't understand anything about his career, how he got the USC or Texas jobs, and why anyone thinks he is an even half-decent coach.
He's an incredible OC and QB developer/recruiter. People keep giving him chances at big jobs because of that.
 

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I literally do not understand why Sark comes in for such high praise and how on earth he keeps getting these jobs. He landed perhaps the premier job in college football having gone 5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6, and 8-4 at a major program that has done better before and after. He then does okay to below-average at USC, gets fired for a drinking problem, goes to the Nick Saban School for Coaches Who Can't Coach Good and Want to Do Other Things Good Too, then gets hired at Texas and promptly goes 5-7. He drags them to an 8-4 record this year and then lands the top QB prospect in America. Like what? The man has never had a single season that the ND fanbase would be legitimately happy with in NINE SEASONS as a head coach. I just don't understand anything about his career, how he got the USC or Texas jobs, and why anyone thinks he is an even half-decent coach.
This is his last shot at a big time job. Graduating from the NSSCWCCGWDOTGT buys you one golden opportunity. If you muff it, off to the Sun Belt and Mac for eternity.
 

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He's an incredible OC and QB developer/recruiter. People keep giving him chances at big jobs because of that.

Fair enough I suppose. I see they scored 19 points against BAMA and 10 against TCU this year, so I'm a little skeptical of his offensive wizardry, but I'm sure big time hiring committees know better than I do. I sort of write off any coordinator success from Bama people as just being a product of the Saban machine and not necessarily individual competence, but I was nothing more than a mediocre high school football player (and interhall DOMINATOR) so my knowledge is limited.
 

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He's an incredible OC and QB developer/recruiter. People keep giving him chances at big jobs because of that.
Honest question, why does it not translate when he's the HC? His offenses as a HC are very poor. It's hard for me to give him that much credit when he walks into offenses that have guys like Tua, DeVonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Najee Harris, etc... I guess he's great at putting up points with otherworldly talent which others recruited and developed.
 

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Honest question, why does it not translate when he's the HC? His offenses as a HC are very poor. It's hard for me to give him that much credit when he walks into offenses that have guys like Tua, DeVonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Najee Harris, etc... I guess he's great at putting up points with otherworldly talent which others recruited and developed.
Honestly I think it's because you have to be the guy when you're HC. The face of the program, and the ultimate decision maker for every starter at every position. Every staff member too.
 

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Honestly I think it's because you have to be the guy when you're HC. The face of the program, and the ultimate decision maker for every starter at every position. Every staff member too.
That's fine. I just don't think he can be considered an offensive "genius". Huepel showed he can be a great OC and then have prolific offenses as a HC. Chip Kelly the same. Ryan Day's teams had elite offenses when he was an OC and as a HC. Same with Kiffin. Sark just hasn't and it's not like he's winning games with defense. He's an offensive genius the way Jimbo is an offensive genius.
 

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Honestly I think it's because you have to be the guy when you're HC. The face of the program, and the ultimate decision maker for every starter at every position. Every staff member too.

Sark has the exact same OL coach, AHC, and in a sense himself so OC and QB Coach as he did at Bama. The obvious difference seems to be Saban and the players themselves, which is why he tried to add Bama players this off season.
 

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Sark has the exact same OL coach, AHC, and in a sense himself so OC and QB Coach as he did at Bama. The obvious difference seems to be Saban and the players, which is why he tried to add Bama players this off season.
Talking more generally. He was a great OC at USC before he went to UW too, and became 7 win Sark there.
 

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Talking more generally. He was a great OC at USC before he went to UW too, and became 7 win Sark there.

Great? I guess. Good. I mean the defense was the better side of the ball by a lot.
 

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Talking more generally. He was a great OC at USC before he went to UW too, and became 7 win Sark there.
Then Kiffin and Norm Chow were better than great because their offenses were better than Sarks.
 

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If you think Rees recruited poorly before, you have to give him credit. I do. If you think it was Kelly’s fault for the poor qb recruiting then you have to give Freeman props.
What about those who gave Rees credit for landing Minchey and will again if he lands a solid grad transfer QB but don't want him to be the OC going forward, and are also happy that Kelly is gone and are happy with Freeman?
 
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