Brian Kelly to LSU, per report

[ND88]

By the way, it is possible to simultaneously (1) truly appreciate some things Kelly did at ND (2) absolutely loathe some things Kelly did at ND (3) criticize the administration (4) while not excusing some glaring errors Kelly made during his tenure. Let’s not forget the same administration Kelly wants to blame for not doing enough did plenty to bail his ass out when he was coaching like utter shit midway through his reign and should have been shown the curb.

 

[NDPhilly]

If Kelly stayed, we would have likely taken a transfer QB and went 10-2 or 9-3. Freeman would have left and we would have signed a top 10-15 recruiting class as usual and we’d be no closer to a national championship.

Assuming we hang on to our current class, Freeman was worth the gamble.

 

[indianamouse]

If Kelly stayed, we would have likely taken a transfer QB and went 10-2 or 9-3. Freeman would have left and we would have signed a top 10-15 recruiting class as usual and we’d be no closer to a national championship.

Assuming we hang on to our current class, Freeman was worth the gamble.

I agree. Yeah the growing pains are a lot harsher than we expected, but I still believe Mf will win a championship. The dude is a workhorse.

 

[Irish4life]

Freeman is worth the gamble and the losses we'll take this year. Future is bright and with a new direction on offense and portal help at WR.....things could change quite quickly.

 

[NDRock]

I’m of the firm opinion BK knew exactly what kind of team and coaching he had in place versus the schedule this year and decided a payday in the SEC was his best choice.

BK wanted to leave after 2012. I don’t think he got out because he saw the talent level on the team, I think he got out because he finally got an opportunity at a big time program (and big time $) Think he would have done the same after most years if given the chance.

 

[Sea Turtle]

BK wanted to leave after 2012. I don’t think he got out because he saw the talent level on the team, I think he got out because he finally got an opportunity at a big time program (and big time $) Think he would have done the same after most years if given the chance.

Even though it's clear that LSU is a big time program compared to ND, I think Kelly stayed so long because he was trying to turn ND into a big time program. He finally realized that it can't be done.

 

[ND88]

Even though it's clear that LSU is a big time program compared to ND, I think Kelly stayed so long because he was trying to turn ND into a big time program. He finally realized that it can't be done.

When you post like this, you lose any semblance of credibility to your argument. For as shitty as admin has been regarding the program, they literally dragged his sorry ass and forced him to fire buddies in the strength dept. and defensive side of the ball. Kelly was content with mediocrity and after he got called on his shit when no one wanted him except ND, he adapted to just enough of a point where he could parlay his career to the highest bidder, which he was already trying to do before we shit the bed versus Alabama our first go-round.

His ass couldn’t do it.

 

[MacIrish75]

If that’s what it takes? Yes

Dudes literally just.. there. Yell, scream, fire them the fuck up, idc. He’s a good looking Brady Hoke currently. May as well take the head set off.

He keeps it on bc he has to have “Running Up That Hill” by Kate Bush playing on a loop, otherwise he won’t be able to escape the trance Vecna has placed on him.

 

[Irishdrunk]

You’re living up to your screen name.

Off the top of my head:

Barry Switzer (the ultimate players’ coach)
Pete Carroll
John Robinson
Mack Brown
Dabo Swinney
Kirby Smart
Mark Richt
Josh Heupel

You obviously don’t know how exacting and disciplined Barry Switzer is…..Barry Switzer was far from a players coach. And I would hardly count Dabo or Kirby either.

“Do Better”

 

[Irishdrunk]

The other big revision is BK inherited a bare cupboard, and left it full.

I firmly believe the 2010 roster was far more talented than the 2022 roster as a whole.

Yes this is a transitional year and every program will have an ebb and flow based on personnel leaving, but MF is facing a far tougher schedule in his first season than BK did, with much less.


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Sigh…. Again we were Pre-Season Top 5 in the Coaches Poll in 2022. smh

 

[T-Boone]

You can be nice and still drive accountability. EI is a real thing. Rewatch the UT Bama game last week. Saban was being way softer than a game versus Vandy. Why? His EI is thru the roof and he knows he has to be a different leader in different situations. BK is a king, not a leader. Big difference.

Stop glorifying saban. He just has most of the best high school players every year.

 

[irishandy]

Assuming we hang on to our current class, Freeman was worth the gamble.

I agree with you, patience is a virtue. I think Freeman will hang onto this class.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I still don’t understand how BK…the HC from 2010-2021…gets a pass for NEVER signing &/or developing an All-American QB. Plus, he’s the Einstein who hand-picked Rees to run the offense so that’s on him, too. BK, like Davie & Willingham; assumed ND would recruit itself despite the academic hurdles & the less than attractive college experience. Now BK is at a school that does recruit itself. Even if they have to go head-to-head w/ Bama, it’s a good problem to have. Plus if the kid is a Louisiana native (which is a recruiting gold mine), he more than likely has dreamt of playing for LSU regardless of who the HC is.

So, no; there’s absolutely ZERO guarantee that BK gets off his ass and convinces a grad-transfer to come to ND. He could have…but to guarantee that he would have based on his track record is a fool’s errand.

Well he did at LSU. He is doing at LSU what he did at ND - win.

It’s just that LSU is a better platform than ND.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I agree. Yeah the growing pains are a lot harsher than we expected, but I still believe Mf will win a championship. The dude is a workhorse.

I don’t see that happening. MF has to really grow into a HC as he looks she’ll shocked staring at the plays unfolding on the field.

With no upfront NiL and academic barriers on transfers - MF is a long shot at being successful at ND much less doing as well as BK or better. Total train wreck hire but decent fellow.

 

[T-Boone]

If Kelly stayed, we would have likely taken a transfer QB and went 10-2 or 9-3. Freeman would have left and we would have signed a top 10-15 recruiting class as usual and we’d be no closer to a national championship.

Assuming we hang on to our current class, Freeman was worth the gamble.

I think Kelly would have worked out he needs help at OC and got a top level oc in.

 

[Sea Turtle]

When you post like this, you lose any semblance of credibility to your argument. For as shitty as admin has been regarding the program, they literally dragged his sorry ass and forced him to fire buddies in the strength dept. and defensive side of the ball. Kelly was content with mediocrity and after he got called on his shit when no one wanted him except ND, he adapted to just enough of a point where he could parlay his career to the highest bidder, which he was already trying to do before we shit the bed versus Alabama our first go-round.

His ass couldn’t do it.

Nobody can do it.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Sigh…. Again we were Pre-Season Top 5 in the Coaches Poll in 2022. smh

Sigh…..again this has absolutely nothing to do with the post you are replying to.


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[IrishSteelhead]

I don’t see that happening. MF has to really grow into a HC as he looks she’ll shocked staring at the plays unfolding on the field.

With no upfront NiL and academic barriers on transfers - MF is a long shot at being successful at ND much less doing as well as BK or better. Total train wreck hire but decent fellow.

Your criteria puts BK in “train wreck” territory for his first two seasons.

You seem to have an affinity for BK, so I’m assuming (correct me if wrong) that label was never slapped on him by you.

My question is: Why is MF a “train wreck” hire after 7 games, yet BK was not, for doing essentially the same thing for 26 games?


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[IrishSteelhead]

You obviously don’t know how exacting and disciplined Barry Switzer is…..Barry Switzer was far from a players coach. And I would hardly count Dabo or Kirby either.

“Do Better”

This is an awkward book title if he wasn’t a players coach

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[Irish4life]

Probably because Kelly took over a train wreck and Freeman took over a good program that was expected to be a too 5 team. But I think they both discovered something about the culture of the team.

I'm just going to go ahead and say it even though it's going to piss some people off. It piggybacks off of a couple of posts last night by Old Man Mike, myself and one other who I can't remember.

These guys don't have the same desire, motivation, hunger, attitude and downright effort as the big time schools. It's night and day watching ND and LSU under the same head coach.

These guys call their parents if a coach is mean. Saban rips players and coaches faces off. These guys have the attitude of 'I'm not doing that and I don't have to. I'm here to get my degree. I have other options'. Not all of them. But a lot of them. This is a program that allows their qb to be hit out of bounds against their rival and nobody does or says a thing. This is a program that has fans from other teams chanting 'wheres your heart!'

And I don't know if that can even be expunged or addressed from the program because it comes from the top down and permeates every aspect of campus.

Least unhinged Notre Dame message board post

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Probably because Kelly took over a train wreck and Freeman took over a good program that was expected to be a too 5 team. But I think they both discovered something about the culture of the team.

I'm just going to go ahead and say it even though it's going to piss some people off. It piggybacks off of a couple of posts last night by Old Man Mike, myself and one other who I can't remember.

These guys don't have the same desire, motivation, hunger, attitude and downright effort as the big time schools. It's night and day watching ND and LSU under the same head coach.

These guys call their parents if a coach is mean. Saban rips players and coaches faces off. These guys have the attitude of 'I'm not doing that and I don't have to. I'm here to get my degree. I have other options'. Not all of them. But a lot of them. This is a program that allows their qb to be hit out of bounds against their rival and nobody does or says a thing. This is a program that has fans from other teams chanting 'wheres your heart!'

And I don't know if that can even be expunged or addressed from the program because it comes from the top down and permeates every aspect of campus.

What was the cherry on top of the masterpiece BK painted that put the train back on the tracks?

Was it the Citrus, or Camping World Bowl hardware?

I truly believe MF can lead this team to a Gator Bowl win or something similar, so the next coach can feel like they are not being handed a train wreck.


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[TorontoGold]

Probably because Kelly took over a train wreck and Freeman took over a good program that was expected to be a too 5 team. But I think they both discovered something about the culture of the team.

I'm just going to go ahead and say it even though it's going to piss some people off. It piggybacks off of a couple of posts last night by Old Man Mike, myself and one other who I can't remember.

These guys don't have the same desire, motivation, hunger, attitude and downright effort as the big time schools. It's night and day watching ND and LSU under the same head coach.

These guys call their parents if a coach is mean. Saban rips players and coaches faces off. These guys have the attitude of 'I'm not doing that and I don't have to. I'm here to get my degree. I have other options'. Not all of them. But a lot of them. This is a program that allows their qb to be hit out of bounds against their rival and nobody does or says a thing. This is a program that has fans from other teams chanting 'wheres your heart!'

And I don't know if that can even be expunged or addressed from the program because it comes from the top down and permeates every aspect of campus. I mean, it's either this or the guys are just too drained from classes and labs.

Where did you get your sports psychology degree? How are you able to make an assessment on the culture? Especially with how well liked Freeman is.

 

[NDRock]

This is an awkward book title if he wasn’t a players coach

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Not as awkward as Sandusky’s book.

 

[Kingbish01]

This is an awkward book title if he wasn’t a players coach

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That's funny. Kirby is 1000% a players coach as well, I have friends close to the program. The players would run into a burning buulding for that guy..

 

[Irishdrunk]

I agree with you, patience is a virtue. I think Freeman will hang onto this classp

This is an awkward book title if he wasn’t a players coach

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He was NOT a player’s coach.

This is an awkward book title if he wasn’t a players coach

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Switzer was very much like Kelly / exacting, controlling and could be mercurial - that book title is just a book title.

Watch him in 30 for 30 on Marcus Dupree.

Switzer is everything that Marcus is not. Decisive / tough and accountable on his players and also like Kelly he could be aloof and arrogant.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Your criteria puts BK in “train wreck” territory for his first two seasons.

You seem to have an affinity for BK, so I’m assuming (correct me if wrong) that label was never slapped on him by you.

My question is: Why is MF a “train wreck” hire after 7 games, yet BK was not, for doing essentially the same thing for 26 games?


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So what is so hard of a concept that you don’t understand Brian Kelly took over a team over from Charlie Weiss that was six and six the prior year they were not ranked.

Marcus Freeman was handed a top-five team that was 11 - 1 the prior year.

 

[IrishBoognish]

So what is so hard of a concept that you don’t understand Brian Kelly took over a team over from Charlie Weiss that was six and six the prior year they were not ranked.

Marcus Freeman was handed a top-five team that was 11 - 1 the prior year.

He was handed a team without a QB and maybe 2 non freshman WRs that would be on the two deep at any perennially great school.

(and that's being generous)

 

[stlnd01]

So what is so hard of a concept that you don’t understand Brian Kelly took over a team over from Charlie Weiss that was six and six the prior year they were not ranked.

Marcus Freeman was handed a top-five team that was 11 - 1 the prior year.

We were a "top five" team that had lost its QB, best RB and best WR, that went 11-1 last year without beating anyone actually good, and then lost its starting quarterback in the second game. Also despite our top five preseason ranking most experts had us going something like 9-3, which should tell you what preseason rankings are worth.

The difference is that BK inherited a team with a fair bit of talent that had underperformed under the prior coach (also Kelly went 8-5 each of his first two seasons), while Freeman inherited a team with some big holes that has probably overperformed the last few years.
That's a credit to Kelly, but also leaves Freeman with some things to figure out.

 

[Irishdrunk]

He was handed a team without a QB and maybe 2 non freshman WRs that would be on the two deep at any perennially great school.

(and that's being generous)

Yep! And Marcus totally fucked up by not getting a transfer!

Brian Kelly got a transfer at LSU and he’s doing really well with him. This is why you hire a very experienced head coach of Notre Dame and don’t take this kind of gamble.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

He was handed a team without a QB and maybe 2 non freshman WRs that would be on the two deep at any perennially great school.

(and that's being generous)

We were never a top 5 team, but in no measurement should we be this awful. This team has enough to have only lost one game. MF is a good dude, but has a long way to go to being a good coach. He is learning on the job I guess, but we're not improving at all. I hold out hope for MF, but he needs help, and it starts with a legit OC.