Culture

[ulukinatme]

I think we're here.

 

[drayer54]

I think we're here.

This is hate speech in 2022.

 

[ACamp1900]

This is hate speech in 2022.

Got a graph for that??

 

[Irish#1]

I think we're here.

Great find.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I think we're here.

so now Monty Python is fascist

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[bobbyok1]

Come on, did you even bother listening to the audio of the tweet you posted.

His main argument is unwed pregnancy/unwed teen pregnancy is a problem of our society, this can easily be supported by facts, including the devastating statistics of fatherless homes regardless of race.

Second, the audio literally says "I am just stating facts . . . girls when they are the ages of 17-24 are technically when they are the most fertile, that's biological, that's a fact, I'm just stating facts." Walsh then goes on to talk about how we as a society have embraced the idea that those ages are too young to marry, and encouraged waiting until later (after a female is biologically past their prime ages of fertility).

And yet the tweet says "Matt Walsh advocates for the impregnation of girls as young as 16 because it's 'technically when they're at their most fertile'."

Then he goes on to call out men for being a big part of the problem due to men who impregnate women and then don't stick around, being cowards for not stepping up and being a father. And no doubt this short clip is part of a much larger conversation being had that frames the content of the dialogue.

Talk about twisting a guys words.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[bobbyok1]

Not much if anything changes here with my previous post.

To further the point, this is something he said when he himself was in the age range he was speaking of 16-24. Obviously 16 is different from 24, and yet, his point, while likely somewhat unpolished in his early 20's, was the problem of unwed/teen pregnancy and delaying "adulthood" until someone is 25 or older (now some talk about people needing to reach 30 before they reach adulthood). Part of this argument of what equates adulthood is based on markers being established like home ownership, marriage, etc. Part of the argument of what equates adulthood is cultural dialogue in nature.

It sounds as if Walsh was arguing for "adulthood" being pursued at much younger ages and part of the conversation got into teen pregnancies, and the problem not being teen pregnancies, but unwed pregnancies.

It seems the attempt here is to "cancel" Walsh by taking something he said out of the larger context of the conversation, and to make Walsh into a pedophile for a limited context segment of conversation he had in his early 20's.

If he proves to be a pedophile lock him up. But these types of attempts to slander/cancel a person when unfounded are sickening and have mostly run their course. The average person doesn't care anymore because we all have brokenness, failures, and things we wouldn't want the entire world knowing about us. And while "cancelling" someone else has a nasty little pleasure to it, most are becoming aware it is only a matter of time before they themselves are next on the chopping block of the cannibalizing nature of cancel culture.

Hence the command of Jesus "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Not much if anything changes here with my previous post.

To further the point, this is something he said when he himself was in the age range he was speaking of 16-24. Obviously 16 is different from 24, and yet, his point, while likely somewhat unpolished in his early 20's, was the problem of unwed/teen pregnancy and delaying "adulthood" until someone is 25 or older (now some talk about people needing to reach 30 before they reach adulthood). Part of this argument of what equates adulthood is based on markers being established like home ownership, marriage, etc. Part of the argument of what equates adulthood is cultural dialogue in nature.

It sounds as if Walsh was arguing for "adulthood" being pursued at much younger ages and part of the conversation got into teen pregnancies, and the problem not being teen pregnancies, but unwed pregnancies.

It seems the attempt here is to "cancel" Walsh by taking something he said out of the larger context of the conversation, and to make Walsh into a pedophile for a limited context segment of conversation he had in his early 20's.

If he proves to be a pedophile lock him up. But these types of attempts to slander/cancel a person when unfounded are sickening and have mostly run their course. The average person doesn't care anymore because we all have brokenness, failures, and things we wouldn't want the entire world knowing about us. And while "cancelling" someone else has a nasty little pleasure to it, most are becoming aware it is only a matter of time before they themselves are next on the chopping block of the cannibalizing nature of cancel culture.

TBH, I really don't know a lot about him. From what I can gather, he's a 36 year old guy who is making a lot of money talking about genitals.

 

[bobbyok1]

TBH, I really don't know a lot about him. From what I can gather, he's a 36 year old guy who is making a lot of money talking about genitals.

There is some truth in that

 

[Irish#1]

Adulthood at a younger age. Yeah, that will fix a lot of problems. lol

 

[bobbyok1]

Adulthood at a younger age. Yeah, that will fix a lot of problems. lol

Reshaping culture and messaging to call people into adulthood at a younger age is not such a bad idea. As opposed to 30 year olds playing video games for large chunks of time, wearing $1,000 electronic watches, carrying $1500 phones, driving $50k electric cars, traveling the world, wanting to work from home, all while living in their parents basements and lamenting why they can't afford rent or a mortgage.

 

[ACamp1900]

idk about Walsh here, nor do I care but on the bigger discussion this has brought into light… if we are going to sexualize our youth and almost promote their sexual freedoms and independence then assuming they truly become ‘adults’ at younger ages makes some sense,… if you want one you should want the other

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Reshaping culture and messaging to call people into adulthood at a younger age is not such a bad idea. As opposed to 30 year olds playing video games for large chunks of time, wearing $1,000 electronic watches, carrying $1500 phones, driving $50k electric cars, traveling the world, wanting to work from home, all while living in their parents basements and lamenting why they can't afford rent or a mortgage.

I don't know a lot of 30 year olds, but I the ones I do are nothing like what you're describing here. Is this a coastal thing?

Not that I don't disagree with what you're suggesting here by any stretch. Common sense dictates foregoing certain luxuries. There are needs and there are wants. Needs come first.

 

[bobbyok1]

I don't know a lot of 30 year olds, but I the ones I do are nothing like what you're describing here. Is this a coastal thing?

Not that I don't disagree with what you're suggesting here by any stretch. Common sense dictates foregoing certain luxuries. There are needs and there are wants. Needs come first.

I personally know of multiple people like the one's I am describing, mostly male. I am not suggesting this is the majority or trying to paint with a broad brush. I know some amazing 25-35 year olds who have excelled in their "adulthood" steps faster than I did in life.

But I do see far too many 25-35 year olds who fit the description I gave. Off the top of my head with little effort I can think of 7 in my immediate circle. Not bad people, but not "growing up" as opportunity presents it. In fact I have counseled with many then one of them about some steps to take and there is most always illegitimate excuses why they cannot or simply don't want to.

 

[Wild Bill]

Reshaping culture and messaging to call people into adulthood at a younger age is not such a bad idea. As opposed to 30 year olds playing video games for large chunks of time, wearing $1,000 electronic watches, carrying $1500 phones, driving $50k electric cars, traveling the world, wanting to work from home, all while living in their parents basements and lamenting why they can't afford rent or a mortgage.

Are they prioritizing frivolous consumer shit over housing or are they filling a void with all this junk b/c buying a home is simply unrealistic?

Probably varying degrees of both but both median home prices and rent have increased far more over the last 50 years than median incomes.

If rent is twice what it used to be relative to income, and you have student loans to pay, how are you saving for a house that is four times more than what it used to cost relative to income?

I made some good choices when I was younger but I had a little luck on my side b/c I started working/buying property after the market crash in 2008. If I was five years younger, I wouldn't have been as fortunate. We can tell them to work hard and make good choices but there's no amount of hard work or decision making than can overcome the reality of the market right now. A large percentage of young men simply cannot afford to buy property. Without property, it's nearly impossible to build wealth/have financial stability, without some level of wealth/stability, they cannot secure a wife and have children.

Worse yet, they really don't have any guidance or mentors, especially in the workplace. Maybe that's just my experience but I have a hunch 20 somethings in the current year find it far more difficult to get career guidance or mentorship than they did 30 years ago.

I can mock these fuckers all day but they got dealt a difficult hand and that's something we should take into account.

 

[bobbyok1]

Are they prioritizing frivolous consumer shit over housing or are they filling a void with all this junk b/c buying a home is simply unrealistic?

Probably varying degrees of both but both median home prices and rent have increased far more over the last 50 years than median incomes.

If rent is twice what it used to be relative to income, and you have student loans to pay, how are you saving for a house that is four times more than what it used to cost relative to income?

I made some good choices when I was younger but I had a little luck on my side b/c I started working/buying property after the market crash in 2008. If I was five years younger, I wouldn't have been as fortunate. We can tell them to work hard and make good choices but there's no amount of hard work or decision making than can overcome the reality of the market right now. A large percentage of young men simply cannot afford to buy property. Without property, it's nearly impossible to build wealth/have financial stability, without some level of wealth/stability, they cannot secure a wife and have children.

Worse yet, they really don't have any guidance or mentors, especially in the workplace. Maybe that's just my experience but I have a hunch 20 somethings in the current year find it far more difficult to get career guidance or mentorship than they did 30 years ago.

I can mock these fuckers all day but they got dealt a difficult hand and that's something we should take into account.

I grew up inner city poor. I used to jump in dumpsters to find aluminum cans to return for cash. I had zero financial guidance or example from my parents. In fact I had poor examples.

A lot of it has to do with mindset. I am not in the least suggesting it is easier to buy a home today than it was 20, 30 or 40 years ago. Trust me, I live in Colorado Sprigs, one of the hottest markets in the nation, I understand rising housing cost. But, there is also something to be said about what you think is possible.

The arguments that "today is just tougher than yesterday" in my view is a BIG part of the problem and doesn't hold water as an insurmountable obstacle to growing up and becoming an adult in character and in assets. If that was the case, why would we continue to see immigrants, typically of color, from some of the poorest populations places in the world, India, Africa, etc., come to the US and rise to the top over and over again?

It's not ultimately an obstacles of reality issue, rather it seems to be more obstacles of mindset. And that is the cultural change we need to be aiming at. Yes, let's remove the actual obstacles as much as we possible can. But let's also remove obstacles of the heart and mind.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think it is harder to buy a first home these days, but it's for a variety of reasons as our culture and economy have changed. For those of us that are 40 or younger it's much different than when our parents were first buying a house. They didn't have a monthly internet bill, a cell phone bill, streaming services, medical bills weren't outrageous, people wasting as much money on takeout and paying for food to be brought to them, and credit card debt wasn't a widespread thing. In the 70s only 16% of homes had credit cards. When you add it all up you're talking a lot of extra fees and interest that have been robbing younger generations. Many older generations didn't have a lot of that when they were first getting started.

Best thing I did for myself was live at home for a few years during my first job and save up 20% down for a house. I also got pretty lucky and bought my first home in '09 when the market was trash, then sold that place in 2020 when prices were insane. Built our new house right before lumber prices really skyrocketed, it ended up being cheaper than buying an existing home. I've also never paid interest on credit cards, I always pay the balance off every month. We've had some lean years, but it paid off for our family when you consider less than half of Millennials own a home today.

 

[TorontoGold]

I guess if people had a better mindset wages would just *grow* and living would be cheaper.

How Home Prices and Household Incomes Changed Since 1960 | Clever Real Estate

Home prices have increased at a rate that far outpaces incomes, driving homeownership further out of reach for more Americans

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[Irish#1]

I think it is harder to buy a first home these days, but it's for a variety of reasons as our culture and economy have changed. For those of us that are 40 or younger it's much different than when our parents were first buying a house. They didn't have a monthly internet bill, a cell phone bill, streaming services, medical bills weren't outrageous, people wasting as much money on takeout and paying for food to be brought to them, and credit card debt wasn't a widespread thing. In the 70s only 16% of homes had credit cards. When you add it all up you're talking a lot of extra fees and interest that have been robbing younger generations. Many older generations didn't have a lot of that when they were first getting started.

Best thing I did for myself was live at home for a few years during my first job and save up 20% down for a house. I also got pretty lucky and bought my first home in '09 when the market was trash, then sold that place in 2020 when prices were insane. Built our new house right before lumber prices really skyrocketed, it ended up being cheaper than buying an existing home. I've also never paid interest on credit cards, I always pay the balance off every month. We've had some lean years, but it paid off for our family when you consider less than half of Millennials own a home today.

I grew up inner city poor. I used to jump in dumpsters to find aluminum cans to return for cash. I had zero financial guidance or example from my parents. In fact I had poor examples.

A lot of it has to do with mindset. I am not in the least suggesting it is easier to buy a home today than it was 20, 30 or 40 years ago. Trust me, I live in Colorado Sprigs, one of the hottest markets in the nation, I understand rising housing cost. But, there is also something to be said about what you think is possible.

The arguments that "today is just tougher than yesterday" in my view is a BIG part of the problem and doesn't hold water as an insurmountable obstacle to growing up and becoming an adult in character and in assets. If that was the case, why would we continue to see immigrants, typically of color, from some of the poorest populations places in the world, India, Africa, etc., come to the US and rise to the top over and over again?

It's not ultimately an obstacles of reality issue, rather it seems to be more obstacles of mindset. And that is the cultural change we need to be aiming at. Yes, let's remove the actual obstacles as much as we possible can. But let's also remove obstacles of the heart and mind.

It's all relative to the time and your mindset. We married in Feb '73. Our daughter was born in December. We were living in an apartment paying $110 a month. We got a notice that our rent was going up to $125 a month. We decided to look for a house. Got lucky and was able to assume a current mortgage with no approval needed. Our house payment was $195. Even though we both worked in IT, we struggled to make ends meet, but we found a way.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

 

[drayer54]

Bearded men in dresses having a podcast advertised by a women’s store about girlhood that you can’t oppose or be considered an awful person is where we are now.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

She has a nice smile but who felt that this PSA was needed for the citizens of NYC? They’d been better off getting some fat guy w/ a Yankees hat on backwards & a cigarette to say “put your head between your legs & kiss your ass goodbye”.

 

[Irish#1]

She has a nice smile but who felt that this PSA was needed for the citizens of NYC? They’d been better off getting some fat guy w/ a Yankees hat on backwards & a cigarette to say “put your head between your legs & kiss your ass goodbye”.

Maybe NYC knows something that we don't. After all Joe said we're as close to a nuclear war as we have been since the 60's.

 

[ulukinatme]

Who are these parents that keep taking kids to these things?

 

[Bishop2b5]

What person, regardless of political persuasion, thinks this is appropriate, especially with children present?

 

[bobbyok1]

Who are these parents that keep taking kids to these things?

Reprobates

 

[drayer54]

What person, regardless of political persuasion, thinks this is appropriate, especially with children present?

MSNBC viewers.

 

[ACamp1900]

What person, regardless of political persuasion, thinks this is appropriate, especially with children present?

I have no clue who dafaq these people are in the video but cps should be making case files. This is the disconnect for me and I made that clear a few months back,… if you take issue with perverted ‘how to’ sex journals in our prepubescent children’s libraries and you are mocked as someone who is ‘shocked libraries have books’… take issue with this and your a ‘transphobic bigot’. I am actually getting to where I’m thankful when someone goes there on this larger issue. It lets me know who to cut out of my life entirely.