Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Tommy Rees has been on the staff since 2017 and has never recruited a QB that has started and won a game at ND. Some of that is a fluke, some of it is genuinely bad recruiting/development. I mostly agree with Jigga that the issues are far greater than just playcalling, but he absolutely deserves heat too for the other deficiencies.

In hierarchy of blame, would probably be:

1a. Del's recruiting
1b. Harry/Quinn's coaching/development
3. Tommy's recruiting
4. His development of QBs and
5. His playcalling

If the offensive line performed as expected this year, most the deficiencies this team has on offense would be covered up IMO.



You can keep being a dickhead or you could actually use your eyes and stop cherry picking on one post out of 100s on the issue.

I am in total agreement here. The recruiting is a separate issue at the moment, however. They can't go back and change that. They have their roster now and have to roll with it. The verbals they have can't help them this season, obviously.

The OL was shit last year until they played some bad teams in November and got to look improved, which they probably were, but in reality it was like sticking a piece of bubble gum on a crack in the wall to stop a leak. The recruiting and lack of development mean it's not going to matter what plays he's calling. You have a non existent running game because your line is bad and you can't execute a standard passing attack because you don't have a QB good enough or receivers who have experience to get open.

I'm the dickhead asking the snowflakes what plays they should be calling and so far I'm not really getting an answer. I'll be honest that after 8 quarters, I couldn't even begin to tell you what plays TR should be calling because if they can't run and they can't pass, the only other option is kick as far as I know. If they can't execute any other plays how will they execute even the simple screens?

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I have never been a big Pyne fan but feel a lot better about him right now if our OL was playing worth a shit.

Lol I agree brother. I’m really just trying to be an optimist that the guys show up and put it together this week. Like Lax has said, there’s three NFL players on that line with a bunch of TE talent. Let’s get this shit together already.

 

[Giddyup]

If you can’t effectively pass block and open up seams it doesn’t matter what you call on offense you’re screwed over most of the 70 O plays in a game. I don’t care who is OC

 

[ulukinatme]

They declined grad transfers, which are not an issue for the program.

Admissions remain an issue still regardless if they're grad transfers. Looking at this list I don't know how many of these guys would have even made it over that hurdle. I doubt we're taking anyone from the Ragin' Cajuns, Toledo, Akron, or Arkansas State. Jake Bobo probably would have been one of the few real choices who went from Duke to UCLA.

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[Irishdrunk]

Admissions remain an issue still regardless if they're grad transfers. Looking at this list I don't know how many of these guys would have even made it over that hurdle. I doubt we're taking anyone from the Ragin' Cajuns, Toledo, Akron, or Arkansas State. Jake Bobo probably would have been one of the few real choices who went from Duke to UCLA.

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Momma Rees - that is not the reason Tommy Boy didn't take JT Daniels. Try another excuse for your boy. You are good at it.

 

[Giddyup]

It would be nice to see what Rees is capable of if he actually had an o line that could run. At least 4 ypc. Harry is setting up a lot of people to fail.

 

[ColinKSU]

Admissions remain an issue still regardless if they're grad transfers. Looking at this list I don't know how many of these guys would have even made it over that hurdle. I doubt we're taking anyone from the Ragin' Cajuns, Toledo, Akron, or Arkansas State. Jake Bobo probably would have been one of the few real choices who went from Duke to UCLA.

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Perhaps, but we took a grad transfer guard from Marshall. Now they may be a better football program than us, but I doubt they’re even the Harvard of West Virginia.

 

[Irish4life]

Admissions remain an issue still regardless if they're grad transfers. Looking at this list I don't know how many of these guys would have even made it over that hurdle. I doubt we're taking anyone from the Ragin' Cajuns, Toledo, Akron, or Arkansas State. Jake Bobo probably would have been one of the few real choices who went from Duke to UCLA.

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They're not an issue for grad transfers. ND doesn't require grad students to go to school anymore. Also We took Cain Madden from Marshall lmao. And Nick McCloud from NC State.

 

[Sea Turtle]

This isn't even about play calling. The entire offense and the way it is constructed, personnel and structured is completely broken.
No, it can't be helped this year. The titanic has already left port. But you can damn well make sure you clean house and have clear expectations going forward once the life rafts make it to shore.

 

[ColinKSU]

Tim Prister saying Tommy could go to the NFL as a QB coach on today’s podcast made me pull over to the side of the road to compose myself.

 

[ColinKSU]

Don’t we want that?

It’s more the notion that an NFL team would say “Hey, we trust our multi-million dollar investment at QB to the guy who has never developed a college QB.”

 

[Irish4life]

Sampson on the II podcast today said that Buchner had 3 passing attempts this year outside of the pocket. What the hell is Tommy doing?

 

[Giddyup]

If Harry Hiestand had a couple quick stints in the nfl anything is possible

 

[Irish4life]

It’s more the notion that an NFL team would say “Hey, we trust our multi-million dollar investment at QB to the guy who has never developed a college QB.”

Hey if JonDon could get an NFL assistant coaching job so can Tommy lol

 

[Giddyup]

Sampson on the II podcast today said that Buchner had 3 passing attempts this year outside of the pocket. What the hell is Tommy doing?

He can hardly complete a pass in the pocket you sure u want him throwing on the run?

 

[Irish4life]

He can hardly complete a pass in the pocket you sure u want him throwing on the run?

That's where his strengths lie. Throwing on the run, making defenders chase him, getting to the edge, and making simple decisions. Plenty of college offenses have been extremely difficult to stop doing that. Instead, we're asking Buchner to sit in the pocket and go through NFL style reads. It's offensive malpractice.

 

[Giddyup]

That's where his strengths lie. Throwing on the run, making defenders chase him, getting to the edge, and making simple decisions. Plenty of college offenses have been extremely difficult to stop doing that. Instead, we're asking Buchner to sit in the pocket and go through NFL style reads. It's offensive malpractice.

Not sure I’ve ever seen him complete a big pass on the run

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It’s more the notion that an NFL team would say “Hey, we trust our multi-million dollar investment at QB to the guy who has never developed a college QB.”

It's not ridiculous. That Kelly and Cristobol both offered to make him the highest paid OC in CFB says something, as does Sean McVey's admiration. He's clearly got a good head for the game.

The NFL is more demanding than CFB in some ways, but simpler in others. Rees may be a better fit there.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Stetson Bennett is 5’11” and has no problem slinging it all over the field so height isn’t an excuse. Pyne I think is better at the deep ball he is the one who threw the pass to Tobias in practice. I wouldn’t mind letting Tommy air it out

 

[Luckylucci]

Giving RP3 a full ride was the craziest scholarship decision since Bruce Heggie. Probably worse because of how valuable QB scholarships are.

The most Low-T thing Tommy could do was bring in a 2 QB class where one of them is virtually a walk-on and non-competitive. I've been clamoring for a 2 QB class for awhile now and that's the 2nd QB we get it, lol.

It would be nice to see what Rees is capable of if he actually had an o line that could run. At least 4 ypc. Harry is setting up a lot of people to fail.

So, this is that idea/mindset that somehow Tommy has been blindsided by all this. Or, that it's not in Tommy's purview. He's the literal Coordinator of the entire offense, lol.

Furthermore, he has watched, observed, coached, graded every single one of these guys for years. Tommy has been back at ND coaching prior to all of these young men making there way to campus. That means that Tommy has sat in on virtually every offensive recruiting meeting, game planning meeting, film review, etc. as part of his job for the last 5+ seasons.

This notion that because the WR's are bad, Tommy gets a pass. Or, because the OL is we should give him more time. He's the leader of the offense. He's responsible for all of it. His literal job is to coordinate and oversee the entire offense. And, he had the luxury of being at the same school for a few years before he took that job. So, he was uniquely aware of the guys that were here and the guys they've been bringing in.

At this point, Tommy has either failed, miserably, in at least one aspect of his job. Roster composition or development, heck maybe both.

He can hardly complete a pass in the pocket you sure u want him throwing on the run?

Well, if he can't complete a pass from the pocket and he can't complete one from outside the pocket then wouldn't that be an indictment of the coach that chose him to be his QB?

 

[ColinKSU]

It's not ridiculous. That Kelly and Cristobol both offered to make him the highest paid OC in CFB says something, as does Sean McVey's admiration. He's clearly got a good head for the game.

The NFL is more demanding than CFB in some ways, but simpler in others. Rees may be a better fit there.

You’re not wrong about him being a better fit for the NFL for a few reasons. But I’ve never not understood it like I don’t understand it with Rees.

 

[Giddyup]

The most Low-T thing Tommy could do was bring in a 2 QB class where one of them is virtually a walk-on and non-competitive. I've been clamoring for a 2 QB class for awhile now and that's the 2nd QB we get it, lol.


So, this is that idea/mindset that somehow Tommy has been blindsided by all this. Or, that it's not in Tommy's purview. He's the literal Coordinator of the entire offense, lol.

Furthermore, he has watched, observed, coached, graded every single one of these guys for years. Tommy has been back at ND coaching prior to all of these young men making there way to campus. That means that Tommy has sat in on virtually every offensive recruiting meeting, game planning meeting, film review, etc. as part of his job for the last 5+ seasons.

This notion that because the WR's are bad, Tommy gets a pass. Or, because the OL is we should give him more time. He's the leader of the offense. He's responsible for all of it. His literal job is to coordinate and oversee the entire offense. And, he had the luxury of being at the same school for a few years before he took that job. So, he was uniquely aware of the guys that were here and the guys they've been bringing in.

At this point, Tommy has either failed, miserably, in at least one aspect of his job. Roster composition or development, heck maybe both.

Well, if he can't complete a pass from the pocket and he can't complete one from outside the pocket then wouldn't that be an indictment of the coach that chose him to be his QB?

Well hiring HH to coach the o line does ultimately fall on him or Freeman.

 

[Grahambo]

I could see him doing well in the NFL.

 

[Luckylucci]

It's not ridiculous. That Kelly and Cristobol both offered to make him the highest paid OC in CFB says something, as does Sean McVey's admiration. He's clearly got a good head for the game.

The NFL is more demanding than CFB in some ways, but simpler in others. Rees may be a better fit there.

Never been more convinced during his tenure that I think Rees has a bright future in football it just won't be coaching QB's and calling plays for Notre Dame. I think Rees is an average recruiter at best. He's an average developer, at best, of an offensive system. But, I think that with talent assembled for him and mostly developed already (benefit of the NFL), he could be very good calling plays in the NFL.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I could see him doing well in the NFL.

Me too b/c he doesn’t have to recruit

 

[Free Manera]

Never been more convinced during his tenure that I think Rees has a bright future in football it just won't be coaching QB's and calling plays for Notre Dame. I think Rees is an average recruiter at best. He's an average developer, at best, of an offensive system. But, I think that with talent assembled for him and mostly developed already (benefit of the NFL), he could be very good calling plays in the NFL.

This is where I’ve been for awhile. I think in a vacuum, talking x’ and o’s at a white board, he is probably very impressive. This is where the love comes from.

However I think he is a really bad evaluator of talent, a mediocre recruiter, and too inexperienced to adjust in-game for variables. I think these things make him a poor fit in college right now.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

He can hardly complete a pass in the pocket you sure u want him throwing on the run?

Yes

 

[Giddyup]

What do you base your belief that he’s an accurate passer on the run. because he is fast and can run for his life?

 

[PigtownIrish]

Yes

Why would Tommy want to call plays that fit our QBs strengths? That's no way to show you are an offensive genius!

 

[Irish4life]

What do you base your belief that he’s an accurate passer on the run. because he is fast and can run for his life?

Because he's fast, his legs are a weapon, and it forces defenders to vacate their coverages and go after him. Thus opening up receivers. And if they don't, he could've run for big yardage.