Notre Dame to the B1G Conference?

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I see several have mentioned Florida, but what would be the inducement for Florida to leave the SEC? The difference in money won't be substantial IMO.

It's not just about football. Florida spends nearly $1 billion a year in research and the B1G has a massive academic alliance of similar schools. The theory is that UF would find this attractive given that the sports money would be similar, maybe higher. Texas is in the same boat as one of the best public schools in the country.

For the reason of academics, the B1G is probably more attractive than the SEC for the desirable PAC and Big 12 schools (save perhaps Clemson). Adding ND and Stanford would bolster this.

 

[Huntr]

Florida will not leave the SEC. No current SEC member is going to leave the conference of their own volition.

For like a million reasons.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

131 programs.

130 team super league with two divisions. Michigan is an Independent.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Florida will not leave the SEC. No current SEC member is going to leave the conference of their own volition.

For like a million reasons.

No, I don't think they would. The interesting question is Texas. I wonder if OU/UT approached the SEC together because they assumed that a conference would only expand by taking two teams and that the B1G wouldn't be interested in OU. With a much larger pool of available partners Texas doesn't need to bring their own date any longer.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I really wish that something, anything would be shared. Throw us a bone.

 

[GoldenAura]

 

[du Lac]

I think watching ND play teams like MD, Rutgers, IN, IL, NU sounds dreadful.

 

[GoldenAura]

PAC12 Reporter (Oregon beat I think)

Canzano: Mailbag deals with Pac-12's future, Oregon-Washington decision... and hotdogs


Q: Who is more attractive to the Big Ten, Stanford or Oregon?

A: The ex-Fox Sports Network president, Bob Thompson, placed Oregon’s media-rights value at $30 million and Stanford’s at $45 million when I pressed him. That may be all that would normally matter to the Big Ten. However, I think Oregon’s national brand and Phil Knight’s clout give the Ducks the edge.

 

[Irish#1]

It's not just about football. Florida spends nearly $1 billion a year in research and the B1G has a massive academic alliance of similar schools. The theory is that UF would find this attractive given that the sports money would be similar, maybe higher. Texas is in the same boat as one of the best public schools in the country.

For the reason of academics, the B1G is probably more attractive than the SEC for the desirable PAC and Big 12 schools (save perhaps Clemson). Adding ND and Stanford would bolster this.

I would agree that the academics in the B1G is more desirable than the SEC, but you have schools like Cal, UVA and GT who enjoy above average academic reputations that aren't in the B1G.

Quite familiar with the B1G on the academics level, but to me, the bolded doesn't appear to be an inducement to move to the B1G given they are doing fine right now. Could be wrong though. That would be a slap in the face of the SEC if they were to move given they are a founding member of the SEC.

 

[House16]

I think watching ND play teams like MD, Rutgers, IN, IL, NU sounds dreadful.

I agree but remember that our current arrangement has us playing Duke, Syracuse, NC State, Louisville, Virginia. Big Ten has way more traditional rivals (USC, Purdue, Michigan State, Michigan, maybe Stanford and GT) than the ACC (Pitt, BC, Miami, and maybe GT).

 

[Dale]

I agree but remember that our current arrangement has us playing Duke, Syracuse, NC State, Louisville, Virginia. Big Ten has way more traditional rivals (USC, Purdue, Michigan State, Michigan, maybe Stanford and GT) than the ACC (Pitt, BC, Miami, and maybe GT).

Exactly lol. Besides maybe Rutgers every potential B1G game will have far better atmosphere than many of the ACC away games we’ve suffered through. Pitt noon games in Heinz field. Virginia night games. We’ve been in dreadful territory.

 

[fightingirish26]

I think watching ND play teams like MD, Rutgers, IN, IL, NU sounds dreadful.

Selfishly I'd like a road game at Rutgers every now and then

 

[Irish#1]

PAC12 Reporter (Oregon beat I think)

Canzano: Mailbag deals with Pac-12's future, Oregon-Washington decision... and hotdogs


Q: Who is more attractive to the Big Ten, Stanford or Oregon?

A: The ex-Fox Sports Network president, Bob Thompson, placed Oregon’s media-rights value at $30 million and Stanford’s at $45 million when I pressed him. That may be all that would normally matter to the Big Ten. However, I think Oregon’s national brand and Phil Knight’s clout give the Ducks the edge.

Stanford essentially sits in the San Francisco media market. Oregon is over 100 miles from Portland which isn't as large as SF. Am I the only one that doesn't consider Oregon a national brand?

 

[AvesEvo]

PAC12 Reporter (Oregon beat I think)

Canzano: Mailbag deals with Pac-12's future, Oregon-Washington decision... and hotdogs


Q: Who is more attractive to the Big Ten, Stanford or Oregon?

A: The ex-Fox Sports Network president, Bob Thompson, placed Oregon’s media-rights value at $30 million and Stanford’s at $45 million when I pressed him. That may be all that would normally matter to the Big Ten. However, I think Oregon’s national brand and Phil Knight’s clout give the Ducks the edge.

If these two schools are each worth under $50 million for media rights, how do they each get $100 million? Which school has media rights over $100 million and why would they share?

ND surely is worth more than either Stanford or Oregon. Closer to $100 million? So why join except for access to playoffs.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Stanford essentially sits in the San Francisco media market. Oregon is over 100 miles from Portland which isn't as large as SF. Am I the only one that doesn't consider Oregon a national brand?

Oregon is the definition of CFB nouveau riche. No class, no tradition, spends garishly trying to get someone to notice them, etc.

 

[House16]

If these two schools are each under $50 million, how do they each get $100 million? Which school has media rights over $100 million and why would they share?

This is something I don't get with respect to us as well. The Big Ten media deal has a per-school value higher than our deal. Yet us going to the Big Ten would increase, not decrease, the per-school payout. How does that make sense? Is it a whole is greater than the sum of the parts deal? If so, same thing happening with Stanford/Oregon?

 

[stlnd01]

I think watching ND play teams like MD, Rutgers, IN, IL, NU sounds dreadful.

Do you enjoy watching them play teams like Wake, Ga. Tech, Virginia and Syracuse?

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

This is something I don't get with respect to us as well. The Big Ten media deal has a per-school value higher than our deal. Yet us going to the Big Ten would increase, not decrease, the per-school payout. How does that make sense? Is it a whole is greater than the sum of the parts deal? If so, same thing happening with Stanford/Oregon?

They’re about to renegotiate a new deal. Adding LA, us, and potentially San Francisco would dramatically increase the bargaining power of B1G.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This is something I don't get with respect to us as well. The Big Ten media deal has a per-school value higher than our deal. Yet us going to the Big Ten would increase, not decrease, the per-school payout. How does that make sense? Is it a whole is greater than the sum of the parts deal? If so, same thing happening with Stanford/Oregon?

Correct. Because by joining the B1G, we increase the value of the media rights of every other school in the league.

 

[stlnd01]

This is something I don't get with respect to us as well. The Big Ten media deal has a per-school value higher than our deal. Yet us going to the Big Ten would increase, not decrease, the per-school payout. How does that make sense? Is it a whole is greater than the sum of the parts deal? If so, same thing happening with Stanford/Oregon?

It's a whole greater than sum of the parts deal. Adding USC and the California media market in general (likely) dramatically increases the overall value of Big Ten's TV contract. Adding Notre Dame would be similar again on top of that, probably even moreso. Though this is probably not the case for Stanford or Oregon.

 

[stlnd01]

Exactly lol. Besides maybe Rutgers every potential B1G game will have far better atmosphere than many of the ACC away games we’ve suffered through. Pitt noon games in Heinz field. Virginia night games. We’ve been in dreadful territory.

Also - and Maybe not a big thing to most of us - but ND students can travel to many of the Big Ten stadiums far more easily than ACC. Even in the Davie years, going to games at Sparty and Purdue and Michigan was a blast. I can't imagine the kids today are trekking to North Carolina.

 

[Armyirish47]

Oregon is the definition of CFB nouveau riche. No class, no tradition, spends garishly trying to get someone to notice them, etc.

And not to be morbid but Phil Knight is 84, you have to think when he passes they lose their main driver of that engine.

 

[IrishLax]

I think watching ND play teams like MD, Rutgers, IN, IL, NU sounds dreadful.

ND has a major alumni presence in NY/NJ as well as the DMV. It might sound dreadful to you, but it really isn't. A game in College Park would sell out instantly and be 50%+ ND fans and a great time. ND also recruits NJ and the DMV heavily, and having away games out there on a regular basis is nothing other than good.

People sometimes get trapped into thinking "yuck, these are snoozers" when in reality you want at least 4+ walk overs on your schedule to balance out the marquee games. If those snoozers help you with recruiting or have some other sort of added value, then that's even better.

 

[phork]

It will be what it will be. I don't care either way we all knew this was coming.

My stipulation going forward is no more 1AA games for anyone.

 

[House16]

Do you enjoy watching them play teams like Wake, Ga. Tech, Virginia and Syracuse?

I said something similar so obviously I agree but leave GT off this list: they're A) a historic rivalry, B) in fertile recruiting ground, and C) in a metro area with a fair number of ND alumns. Best case scenario is they go to the Big Ten too and we get them as a permanent rival.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

This is something I don't get with respect to us as well. The Big Ten media deal has a per-school value higher than our deal. Yet us going to the Big Ten would increase, not decrease, the per-school payout. How does that make sense? Is it a whole is greater than the sum of the parts deal? If so, same thing happening with Stanford/Oregon?

Also ND's contract with NBC is for home football games only. The media rights with this contract would be more comprehensive I believe.

 

[OSU_Buckeyes]

Do you think the longer time passes that we hear nothing from Notre Dame or the B1G, the more likely this is going to happen?

To me, if nothing was in the works, a statement would be issued by either Notre Dame, the B1G, or both. The silence leads me to believe that they are negotiating as we speak.

Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s my interpretation of the silence we are hearing right now.

 

[stlnd01]

I said something similar so obviously I agree but leave GT off this list: they're A) a historic rivalry, B) in fertile recruiting ground, and C) in a metro area with a fair number of ND alumns. Best case scenario is they go to the Big Ten too and we get them as a permanent rival.

Fair. Duke, then. It would be something if Ga. Tech could live up to their potential.

 

[IrishLax]

Do you think the longer time passes that we hear nothing from Notre Dame or the B1G, the more likely this is going to happen?

To me, if nothing was in the works, a statement would be issued by either Notre Dame, the B1G, or both. The silence leads me to believe that they are negotiating as we speak.

Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s my interpretation of the silence we are hearing right now.

In short: yes.

 

[arahop]

I think watching ND play teams like MD, Rutgers, IN, IL, NU sounds dreadful.

Other end of the spectrum, playing USC, OSU, Michigan, Penn State. sign me up. Plus we keep our "rivalries" Purdue, MSU, ( Stanford will join the B1G most likely.