'23 AL QB Chris Vizzina (Clemson Verbal)

[ThePiombino]

I think in a equal way you’re missing it though and asking for ND to just be something it isnt. Brandon Joseph was the top safety in the portal and one of the overall top players in the portal. He chose ND because it’s ND, academically in part. I saw Georgia, the defending national champs, fans complain they didn’t get him. Is NDs academics going to keep us from some kids? Sure. But are others choosing us because of it? Yes. Are others not transferring because of it? Yes, just as important.

I get what you're saying and I'm not necessarily wanting ND to be something it's not. My point is that the transfer portal will likely be a net neutral BEST CASE for ND, won't really be an opportunity to plug holes like most other schools is all. Yes, Joseph was a HUGE land this year, but the reality is he is the exception to the rule, not the rule itself. Stoked to have landed him, but odds are most years we won't be getting someone of his caliber while working within the academic limitations ND imposes upon itself for UGs.

 

[Dale]

I get what you're saying and I'm not necessarily wanting ND to be something it's not. My point is that the transfer portal will likely be a net neutral BEST CASE for ND, won't really be an opportunity to plug holes like most other schools is all. Yes, Joseph was a HUGE land this year, but the reality is he is the exception to the rule, not the rule itself. Stoked to have landed him, but odds are most years we won't be getting someone of his caliber while working within the academic limitations ND imposes upon itself for UGs.

All those schools you’re seeing grab guys to plug holes are also seeing guys leave from the 2 deep/definitive futures contributor’s pool that ND isn’t. ND isn’t going to be the school that lands Jermaine Burton. But it’s also not the one that will usually see Agiye Hall & Javon Baker leave in the first place. Mentioning one without the other is a incomplete view on “net neutral”

 

[ThePiombino]

All those schools you’re seeing grab guys to plug holes are also seeing guys leave from the 2 deep/definitive futures contributor’s pool that ND isn’t. ND isn’t going to be the school that lands Jermaine Burton. But it’s also not the one that will usually see Agiye Hall & Javon Baker leave in the first place. Mentioning one without the other is a incomplete view on “net neutral”

All true; however, you can't mention portal needs due to transfers out without mentioning injuries as well. Most schools who experience an injury in spring can plug said hole via the "best available" in the portal. Just another disadvantage for ND with regards to the portal. I don't see it as a positive for ND as of today.

 

[Dale]

All true; however, you can't mention portal needs due to transfers out without mentioning injuries as well. Most schools who experience an injury in spring can plug said hole via the "best available" in the portal. Just another disadvantage for ND with regards to the portal. I don't see it as a positive for ND as of today.

Didn’t recall we were really talking about why guys need to transfer but sure haha.

 

[ThePiombino]

Didn’t recall we were really talking about why guys need to transfer but sure haha

Is it not part of the whole transfer portal picture, specifically why it's not really net positive for ND? How can you argue that ND isn't at a disadvantage compared to most other schools, especially the ones we're trying to go toe-to-toe with?

 

[Dale]

Is it not part of the whole transfer portal picture, specifically why it's not really net positive for ND? How can you argue that ND isn't at a disadvantage compared to most other schools, especially the ones we're trying to go toe-to-toe with?

Spring injury to significant contributor meaning won’t be available come fall is a very specific issue and you can’t know for sure that ND wouldn’t be able to get someone to fill that need. So yes it could be a need. I don’t understand why you’re singling that out as something ND couldn’t account for different than any other reason though.

 

[ThePiombino]

Spring injury to significant contributor meaning won’t be available come fall is a very specific issue and you can’t know for sure that ND wouldn’t be able to get someone to fill that need. So yes it could be a need. I don’t understand why you’re signaling that out as something ND couldn’t account for different than any other reason though.

I made the statement that the portal will not be beneficial for ND like it is other schools (I feel like this is commonly accepted as a reality, don't see the issue here other than maybe you're bored). You then brought up a specific example of how other schools lose folks in the two-deep whereas ND doesn't (this is true until it's not BTW). I countered with another specific example in which other schools can benefit from easily (spring injury/portal plug), whereas ND cannot.

What aren't you understanding? I don't really have the patience to continue this back and forth so I digress at this point. Agree to disagree.

 

[Dale]

I made the statement that the portal will not be beneficial for ND like it is other schools (I feel like this is commonly accepted as a reality, don't see the issue here other than maybe you're bored). You then brought up a specific example of how other schools lose folks in the two-deep whereas ND doesn't (this is true until it's not BTW). I countered with another specific example in which other schools can benefit from easily (spring injury/portal plug), whereas ND cannot.

What aren't you understanding? I don't really have the patience to continue this back and forth so I digress at this point. Agree to disagree.

I mean countering one of my points with “this is true until it’s not BTW” when the whole thing we’re talking about is something that I could say the same thing from the beginning if we’re gonna counter that way.

I don’t see why ND 100% cannot get someone post spring because of an injury if that needed to like you’re describing. Some years they could, some years they couldn’t, some years would be a grad, some years could be an undergrad. Again I don’t see why you’re singling out that instance from all others.

 

[ThePiombino]

I don’t see why ND 100% cannot get someone post spring because of an injury if that needed to like you’re describing.

OMG I never said they couldn't get someone. What I said, and will continue to say, is that the pool from which they can select is MUCH smaller than most any other school (this is undeniable by their unwillingness/inability/whatver to consider most UGs), thus the talent will be thinner. Maybe they get lucky and get the next Skowronek or Joseph, but odds are they don't simply because of the #s available to them as compared to most schools.

If it happens to Bama, OSU, Clemson, etc, they go into the portal and say, "Who's the best available?". If it happens to ND they say, "Who has a degree or enough credits to transfer in, etc?". And this will always be the case with the portal, regardless of the reason for shopping there. Do you not see that as a disadvantage?

 

[Rogue219]

I think Marcus Freeman is going to cast the net wider. We've been led to believe that ND doesn't have the ability to recruit certain players, and while some of that is true, I think the majority of four and five star players will be able to get through admissions. In hindsight, a lot of that "RKG" stuff was coded language for "I'm limited in the players I can sign and that's just the way it is." If anyone has managed to get a college degree and wants to play ball at ND as a grad transfer, I think the degree should be enough to get him through for the 40 Year Game of Croquet in the Hamptons Decision.

This staff is going to have to show recruits some things on the field this fall on offense in particular, and I think they'll be able to do that, then it comes down to who is willing to bet on them and sign on the dotted line come December. They won't get JUCO players, we probably won't see a lot of exceptions made, but I think they're going to ditch the excuses and present the program to any players who are willing to listen while rebranding the program and there should be a slight bump with early enrollees as well.

 

[Dale]

OMG I never said they couldn't get someone. What I said, and will continue to say, is that the pool from which they can select is MUCH smaller than most any other school (this is undeniable by their unwillingness/inability/whatver to consider most UGs), thus the talent will be thinner. Maybe they get lucky and get the next Skowronek or Joseph, but odds are they don't simply because of the #s available to them as compared to most schools.

If it happens to Bama, OSU, Clemson, etc, they go into the portal and say, "Who's the best available?". If it happens to ND they say, "Who has a degree or enough credits to transfer in, etc?". And this will always be the case with the portal, regardless of the reason for shopping there. Do you not see that as a disadvantage?

Well first Clemson famously doesn’t do this. OSU has dabbled but not Alabama heavy. Second I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed that there will be times where they can’t plug and play with a transfer, but I also don’t accept the notion that we are at a significant net negative in the portal you imply, and you’re making broad statements on the other powers of CFB ease in doing so that are incomplete and assumptions.

Comparing to Alabama is a end game that’s always going to lose. Comparing to basically everyone else is a more accurate comp.

 

[Irish#1]

I made the statement that the portal will not be beneficial for ND like it is other schools (I feel like this is commonly accepted as a reality, don't see the issue here other than maybe you're bored). You then brought up a specific example of how other schools lose folks in the two-deep whereas ND doesn't (this is true until it's not BTW). I countered with another specific example in which other schools can benefit from easily (spring injury/portal plug), whereas ND cannot.

What aren't you understanding? I don't really have the patience to continue this back and forth so I digress at this point. Agree to disagree.

This I would agree with, but IMO it's like saying the benefit is 100% for other schools compared to 80% for ND. It doesn't have to be as beneficial for ND as it is for other schools. Or like comparing a car that gets 35mpg to a car that gets 31mpg. It's still good either way

 

[irishandy]

I think if ND doesn't land Moore that will ultimately lead Rees to the NFL, by his own choice.

For me, at the moment I am not upset on Vizzina not committing to ND, he had an offer, and he was probably made aware that ND's #1 QB is Moore.

(Even with all the newbies around) We all should know how recruiting works, if Moore doesn't sign with ND, ND can always circle back to Vizzina if he leaves the door open.

 

[stlnd01]

I think if ND doesn't land Moore that will ultimately lead Rees to the NFL, by his own choice.

For me, at the moment I am not upset on Vizzina not committing to ND, he had an offer, and he was probably made aware that ND's #1 QB is Moore.

(Even with all the newbies around) We all should know how recruiting works, if Moore doesn't sign with ND, ND can always circle back to Vizzina if he leaves the door open.

Rees will probably be in the NFL within 24 months regardless (which might be part of Moore's hesitation). Vizzina committing to Clemson doesn't worry me either - and I wouldn't hold my breath on circling back to him - but I do hope we're quietly cultivating a Plan B at some level.

 

[Luckylucci]

This will be fun to track. We got a West Coast guy (who I think goes good work) talking about an East Coast teams QB recruiting. One of whom Rees didn’t offer and the other Rees told not visit near the end of his recruitment.

Recruiting Notebook from the Steve Clarkson 'The QB Retreat'

The Steve Clarkson, ‘The QB Retreat’ wrapped up today and we had a chance to talk to a handful of the participants for the latest in their recruitment.

247sports.com

- Birmingham (Ala.) Briarwood Christian quarterback Christopher Vizzina committed to Clemson back in April and remains rock solid in his pledge. Vizzina had a great weekend throwing the ball and I’m not sure his commitment received as much hype as it probably deserved after watching him the last two days. To land Vizzina a year after signing Cade Klubnik, who was arguably the top quarterback on the ’22 class, is just a huge coup for the Tigers.

 

[Luckylucci]

We got Buch versus McCarthy, Angeli versus an entire class, and now Moore vs. Vizzina.

WATCH: 2023 QB Chris Vizzina at The QB Retreat

Footage of 2023 QB Chris Vizzina from The QB Retreat 2022.

www.cbssports.com

 

[NDIrish88]

. . . Sayin vs Carr on deck

 

[condoms SUCk]

I kinda hope TR and Vizzina are still somewhat communicating.

 

[allenm5333]

When Klubnik takes over for DJ and we have to flip Vizzina...

 

[Dale]

Don’t want to overstep on this update because Loy went in depth but a short noteworthy part is he’d be closer to a Vizzina than Moore CB

This deserves a bump because Vizzina stuff continues to be mentioned.

“What is wild is that Clemson was the perceived favorite for the past few months, but Notre Dame is starting to pick up steam at this point….The Irish need to get this one done and beat the Tigers here with a strong visit in March.”

“There is some interesting buzz taking place behind the scenes with Vizzina that is giving them some confidence that wasn't there a few weeks ago. The family, from what I’m told, is very much in favor of Notre Dame.”

We never led for Vizzina once Clemson moved on from Arch Manning. Loy was optimistic, as was I even before Loy, that it could come together considering some obvious pros in our favor.

To use a really poorly worded horse analogy, we didn’t take a horse off the track that was in first though. We apparently were coming on strong and had reason to think we could close (Mom and Dad) to cross the finish line but bet on the horse that was already in first with Dante Moore giving his silent commitment.

 

[INLaw]

If we were in second when we bowed out, why would be in first now after he has been a solid commit for a top tier program?

 

[T-Boone]

This deserves a bump because Vizzina stuff continues to be mentioned.

“What is wild is that Clemson was the perceived favorite for the past few months, but Notre Dame is starting to pick up steam at this point….The Irish need to get this one done and beat the Tigers here with a strong visit in March.”

“There is some interesting buzz taking place behind the scenes with Vizzina that is giving them some confidence that wasn't there a few weeks ago. The family, from what I’m told, is very much in favor of Notre Dame.”

We never led for Vizzina once Clemson moved on from Arch Manning. Loy was optimistic, as was I even before Loy, that it could come together considering some obvious pros in our favor.

To use a really poorly worded horse analogy, we didn’t take a horse off the track that was in first though. We apparently were coming on strong and had reason to think we could close (Mom and Dad) to cross the finish line but bet on the horse that was already in first with Dante Moore giving his silent commitment.

Rees has f**k*d up everything he has touched when it comes to recruiting QB.
He needs to listen to his instincts and then do the exact opposite of what his instincts say.

 

[NDdomer2]

Rees has f**k*d up everything he has touched when it comes to recruiting QB.
He needs to listen to his instincts and then do the exact opposite of what his instincts say.

so he should tell Carr not to commit tomorrow?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Rees has f**k*d up everything he has touched when it comes to recruiting QB.
He needs to listen to his instincts and then do the exact opposite of what his instincts say.

Not a mod, but I'd ban you here pretty soon.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

so he should tell Carr not to commit tomorrow?

No crowing for Rees lickers yet. We'll have a longtime for Rees to jack that up also.

 

[Rizzophil]

Rees has f**k*d up everything he has touched when it comes to recruiting QB.
He needs to listen to his instincts and then do the exact opposite of what his instincts say.

Except of course a 5* committing Thursday

 

[Reaper97]

No crowing for Rees lickers yet. We'll have a longtime for Rees to jack that up also.

Rees lickers?

And just assuming he will jack it up?

You are soooo cool.

And a little psychology lesson for you. When you just assume someone will mess everything up it’s because you usually mess everything up & are projecting.

 

[NDMatt91]

Other than people going back and forth over Rees is there any smoke here that they’ll try to get another crack at Vizzina? I’m no talent evaluator, but I‘m not exactly blown away by his film.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Interested in CJ Carr recently following Vizzina.
Could just be that they are friends that just recently started to follow, but with CJs comments about "I want to make this public and start recruiting..."

It appears,
1) CJ independently wants to get Vizz for 2023.
2) Someone at ND suggest it to him...

Man, that would be a crazy crazy flip.
"Hey, we loved you both, but Dante said "...." we wanted to honor that, but now we are able to get you now...."

There's a path, but it would be something.

 

[IrishLax]

Rees has f**k*d up everything he has touched when it comes to recruiting QB.
He needs to listen to his instincts and then do the exact opposite of what his instincts say.

He landed his top choice in Buchner, then landed a decent prospect in Angeli while they tried to get traction with better prospects like Walker Howard, then this year is still a ?, and he has a five star committing tomorrow.

So at minimum 2 out of the past 4 classes he has gotten his top choice at QB. People have extreme takes on Rees on all sides of the spectrum, but he clearly isn’t “fucking up everything he touches.”