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Um.

Lol. You guys Crack me up. Honestly. Is she any worse than Trump? The guy literally believes that we have invisible jets. 🤣🤣
If your standard for POTUS is simply ā€œno worse than Trumpā€ then you have extremely low taste in leaders. I demand better for the US regardless of party affiliation but it seems to get worse each cycle.
 

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You're mistaken if you think all countries saw the same rate of inflation in 2021. A quick Google search will help provide some context for ya.
Economic impact overall must combine an aanalysis of
GDP
Inflation
Unemployment

An inflation parrot is not an economist.

US Real GDP Growth Rate by Year Compared to Inflation and Unemployment

DP Growth, Inflation, and Unemployment by Year​

The table below shows how GDP, inflation, and unemployment rates have changed each year since 1929. GDP is the annual rate and inflation is for December of that year and is the year-over-year rate.43 The unemployment rate is as of December that year. Unemployment rates for the years 1929 through 1947 were calculated from a different BLS source as current BLS data only goes back to 1948.67 You'll also find notes for events that happened each year, or which phase of the business cycle the economy was in at that year.

YearAnnual GDP GrowthInflation (December, YOY)Unemployment Rate (December)Business Cycle and Notable Events
1929N/A0.6%3.2%August peak and October market crash
1930-8.5%-6.4%8.7%Contraction
1931-6.4%-9.3%15.9%Contraction
1932-12.9%-10.3%23.6%Contraction
1933-1.2%0.8%24.9%New Deal and March trough
193410.8%1.5%21.7%Expansion
19358.9%3.0%20.1%Expansion
193612.9%1.4%16.9%Expansion
19375.1%2.9%14.3%May peak
1938-3.3%-2.8%19.0%June trough
19398.0%0%17.2%Expansion and Dust Bowl ended
19408.8%0.7%14.6%Expansion
194117.7%9.9%9.9%Expansion and WWII
194218.9%9.0%4.7%Expansion
194317.0%3.0%1.9%Expansion
19448.0%2.3%1.2%Bretton Woods
1945-1.0%2.2%1.9%February peak, recession, October trough
1946-11.6%18.1%3.9%Expansion and Fed cuts
1947-1.1%8.8%3.6%Marshall Plan and Cold War
19484.1%3.0%4.0%November peak
1949-0.6%-2.1%6.6%October trough and NATO
19508.7%5.9%4.3%Expansion and Korean War
19518.0%6.0%3.1%Expansion
19524.1%0.8%2.7%Expansion
19534.7%0.7%4.5%Korean War ended and July peak
1954-0.6%-0.7%5.0%May trough, Dow at 1929 level
19557.1%0.4%4.2%Expansion
19562.1%3.0%4.2%Expansion
19572.1%2.9%5.2%August peak
1958-0.7%1.8%6.2%April trough
19596.9%1.7%5.3%Fed raised rates
19602.6%1.4%6.6%April peak and Fed cut
19612.6%0.7%6.0%JFK spending and February trough
19626.1%1.3%5.5%Cuban Missile Crisis
19634.4%1.6%5.5%LBJ spending, Fed raised rates
19645.8%1.0%5.0%Fed raised rate
19656.5%1.9%4.0%Vietnam War, Fed raised rates
19666.6%3.5%3.8%Expansion, Fed raised rates
19672.7%3.0%3.8%Expansion
19684.9%4.7%3.4%Fed raised rates
19693.1%6.2%3.5%Nixon, Fed raised rates, December peak
19700.2%5.6%6.1%November trough, Fed cut rates
19713.3%3.3%6.0%Expansion and wage-price controls
19725.3%3.4%5.2%Expansion
19735.6%8.7%4.9%Vietnam War and gold standard ended, November peak.
1974-0.5%12.3%7.2%Stagflation, Watergate, Fed raised rates
1975-0.2%6.9%8.2%March trough, Fed cut rates
19765.4%4.9%7.8%Expansion, Fed cut rates
19774.6%6.7%6.4%Carter took office
19785.5%9.0%6.0%Fed raised rates
19793.2%13.3%6.0%Fed raised then lowered rate
1980-0.3%12.5%7.2%Januart peak, Fed raised rates, July trough
19812.5%8.9%8.5%Reagan, Expansion peaked in July
1982-1.8%3.8%10.8%November trough, Fed cut rates
19834.6%3.8%8.3%Reagan spent on defense
19847.2%3.9%7.3%Expansion
19854.2%3.8%7.0%Expansion
19863.5%1.1%6.6%Tax cuts
19873.5%4.4%5.7%Black Monday
19884.2%4.4%5.3%Expansion, Fed raised rates
19893.7%4.6%5.4%S&L Crisis
19901.9%6.1%6.3%July peak
1991-0.1%3.1%7.3%March trough
19923.5%2.9%7.4%Expansion, Fed cut rates
19932.8%2.7%6.5%Expansion
19944.0%2.7%5.5%Expansion
19952.7%2.5%5.6%Fed raised rates
19963.8%3.3%5.4%Fed cut rate
19974.4%1.7%4.7%Fed raised rates
19984.5%1.6%4.4%LTCM crisis
19994.8%2.7%4.0%Expansion
20004.1%3.4%3.9%Expansion
20011.0%1.6%5.7%March peak, 9/11, and November trough
20021.7%2.4%6.0%Expansion
20032.8%1.9%5.7%JGTRRA
20043.9%3.3%5.4%Expansion
20053.5%3.4%4.9%Expansion
20062.8%2.5%4.4%Expansion
20072.0%4.1%5.0%December peak
20080.1%0.1%7.3%Contraction and Financial Crisis
2009-2.6%2.7%9.9%June trough
20102.7%1.5%9.3%Obamacare and Dodd-Frank
20111.5%3.0%8.5%Expansion
20122.3%1.7%7.9%Expansion
20131.8%1.5%6.7%Expansion
20142.3%0.8%5.6%Expansion
20152.7%0.7%5.0%Strong dollar, low oil prices, Fed raised rates steadily
20161.7%2.1%4.7%Presidential race
20172.3%2.1%4.1%Weakening dollar boosted growth
20182.9%1.9%3.9%Trump tax plan boosted growth
20192.3%2.3%3.6%Goldilocks economy
2020-3.4%1.4%6.7%February peak before recession
20215.7%7.0%3.9%Recovery, resettling after new strains of coronavirus


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the chart is instructive as it lays out the data side by side, and discloses what is, for some, some "incovenient truths"
about recenet economic data and growth

Facts are facts
Lies are lies
 

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Glad to see Joe, taking a stand and halting all importing of Russian oil. That's the right move IMO.
 

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Economic impact overall must combine an aanalysis of
GDP
Inflation
Unemployment

An inflation parrot is not an economist.

US Real GDP Growth Rate by Year Compared to Inflation and Unemployment

DP Growth, Inflation, and Unemployment by Year​

The table below shows how GDP, inflation, and unemployment rates have changed each year since 1929. GDP is the annual rate and inflation is for December of that year and is the year-over-year rate.43 The unemployment rate is as of December that year. Unemployment rates for the years 1929 through 1947 were calculated from a different BLS source as current BLS data only goes back to 1948.67 You'll also find notes for events that happened each year, or which phase of the business cycle the economy was in at that year.

YearAnnual GDP GrowthInflation (December, YOY)Unemployment Rate (December)Business Cycle and Notable Events
1929N/A0.6%3.2%August peak and October market crash
1930-8.5%-6.4%8.7%Contraction
1931-6.4%-9.3%15.9%Contraction
1932-12.9%-10.3%23.6%Contraction
1933-1.2%0.8%24.9%New Deal and March trough
193410.8%1.5%21.7%Expansion
19358.9%3.0%20.1%Expansion
193612.9%1.4%16.9%Expansion
19375.1%2.9%14.3%May peak
1938-3.3%-2.8%19.0%June trough
19398.0%0%17.2%Expansion and Dust Bowl ended
19408.8%0.7%14.6%Expansion
194117.7%9.9%9.9%Expansion and WWII
194218.9%9.0%4.7%Expansion
194317.0%3.0%1.9%Expansion
19448.0%2.3%1.2%Bretton Woods
1945-1.0%2.2%1.9%February peak, recession, October trough
1946-11.6%18.1%3.9%Expansion and Fed cuts
1947-1.1%8.8%3.6%Marshall Plan and Cold War
19484.1%3.0%4.0%November peak
1949-0.6%-2.1%6.6%October trough and NATO
19508.7%5.9%4.3%Expansion and Korean War
19518.0%6.0%3.1%Expansion
19524.1%0.8%2.7%Expansion
19534.7%0.7%4.5%Korean War ended and July peak
1954-0.6%-0.7%5.0%May trough, Dow at 1929 level
19557.1%0.4%4.2%Expansion
19562.1%3.0%4.2%Expansion
19572.1%2.9%5.2%August peak
1958-0.7%1.8%6.2%April trough
19596.9%1.7%5.3%Fed raised rates
19602.6%1.4%6.6%April peak and Fed cut
19612.6%0.7%6.0%JFK spending and February trough
19626.1%1.3%5.5%Cuban Missile Crisis
19634.4%1.6%5.5%LBJ spending, Fed raised rates
19645.8%1.0%5.0%Fed raised rate
19656.5%1.9%4.0%Vietnam War, Fed raised rates
19666.6%3.5%3.8%Expansion, Fed raised rates
19672.7%3.0%3.8%Expansion
19684.9%4.7%3.4%Fed raised rates
19693.1%6.2%3.5%Nixon, Fed raised rates, December peak
19700.2%5.6%6.1%November trough, Fed cut rates
19713.3%3.3%6.0%Expansion and wage-price controls
19725.3%3.4%5.2%Expansion
19735.6%8.7%4.9%Vietnam War and gold standard ended, November peak.
1974-0.5%12.3%7.2%Stagflation, Watergate, Fed raised rates
1975-0.2%6.9%8.2%March trough, Fed cut rates
19765.4%4.9%7.8%Expansion, Fed cut rates
19774.6%6.7%6.4%Carter took office
19785.5%9.0%6.0%Fed raised rates
19793.2%13.3%6.0%Fed raised then lowered rate
1980-0.3%12.5%7.2%Januart peak, Fed raised rates, July trough
19812.5%8.9%8.5%Reagan, Expansion peaked in July
1982-1.8%3.8%10.8%November trough, Fed cut rates
19834.6%3.8%8.3%Reagan spent on defense
19847.2%3.9%7.3%Expansion
19854.2%3.8%7.0%Expansion
19863.5%1.1%6.6%Tax cuts
19873.5%4.4%5.7%Black Monday
19884.2%4.4%5.3%Expansion, Fed raised rates
19893.7%4.6%5.4%S&L Crisis
19901.9%6.1%6.3%July peak
1991-0.1%3.1%7.3%March trough
19923.5%2.9%7.4%Expansion, Fed cut rates
19932.8%2.7%6.5%Expansion
19944.0%2.7%5.5%Expansion
19952.7%2.5%5.6%Fed raised rates
19963.8%3.3%5.4%Fed cut rate
19974.4%1.7%4.7%Fed raised rates
19984.5%1.6%4.4%LTCM crisis
19994.8%2.7%4.0%Expansion
20004.1%3.4%3.9%Expansion
20011.0%1.6%5.7%March peak, 9/11, and November trough
20021.7%2.4%6.0%Expansion
20032.8%1.9%5.7%JGTRRA
20043.9%3.3%5.4%Expansion
20053.5%3.4%4.9%Expansion
20062.8%2.5%4.4%Expansion
20072.0%4.1%5.0%December peak
20080.1%0.1%7.3%Contraction and Financial Crisis
2009-2.6%2.7%9.9%June trough
20102.7%1.5%9.3%Obamacare and Dodd-Frank
20111.5%3.0%8.5%Expansion
20122.3%1.7%7.9%Expansion
20131.8%1.5%6.7%Expansion
20142.3%0.8%5.6%Expansion
20152.7%0.7%5.0%Strong dollar, low oil prices, Fed raised rates steadily
20161.7%2.1%4.7%Presidential race
20172.3%2.1%4.1%Weakening dollar boosted growth
20182.9%1.9%3.9%Trump tax plan boosted growth
20192.3%2.3%3.6%Goldilocks economy
2020-3.4%1.4%6.7%February peak before recession
20215.7%7.0%3.9%Recovery, resettling after new strains of coronavirus


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the chart is instructive as it lays out the data side by side, and discloses what is, for some, some "incovenient truths"
about recenet economic data and growth

Facts are facts
Lies are lies

All you did here was sidestep the inflation numbers (both US and global) and replaced it with GDP numbers, which is one factor but as you said not the only factor. The fact is the US saw the highest inflation in 2021 in 40 years. No lie there, bub.
 

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Biden excuses are really getting more and more of a joke. Biden and friends printed trillions and trillions and you can see the
results from the beginning of his Presidency.
None of his policy goals help but keeps telling us to go buy a Tesla.

The day Ukraine fell under attack, Biden's political assault on oil and gas continued, but it's global, blame Russia, etc.

It's prob a good thing. 81 million Americans deserve this crap.
 
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Biden excuses are really getting more and more of a joke. Biden and friends printed trillions and trillions and you can see the
results from the beginning of his Presidency.
None of his policy goals help but keeps telling us to go buy a Tesla.

The day Ukraine fell under attack, Biden's political assault on oil and gas continued, but it's global, blame Russia, etc.

It's prob a good thing. 81 million Americans deserve this crap.

But he's so disingenuous he specifically won't mention or tout Tesla. "Go buy an electric car and invest in "green" energy...but only if it's created with union labor or by people and leaders that agree with our platforms."

It will be interesting to see what the prevailing talking points will be in, say, 2-4 months. Will the media and acolytes double, triple, and quadruple down on the revisionism now being pushed of " it's putin's fault," or will people see through that?
 

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But he's so disingenuous he specifically won't mention or tout Tesla. "Go buy an electric car and invest in "green" energy...but only if it's created with union labor or by people and leaders that agree with our platforms."

It will be interesting to see what the prevailing talking points will be in, say, 2-4 months. Will the media and acolytes double, triple, and quadruple down on the revisionism now being pushed of " it's putin's fault," or will people see through that?

I love that the "I did that" stickers on gas pumps were planting that seed shortly after he took office and long before the current disaster. This is 100% on his back and it pisses off a vast majority of people (even if 81 million won't admit it).
 

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Federal government spending by year:

2019: 4.4 trillion
2020: 6.5 trillion
2021: 7.2 trillion
2022: estimate 6 trillion
 

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But he's so disingenuous he specifically won't mention or tout Tesla. "Go buy an electric car and invest in "green" energy...but only if it's created with union labor or by people and leaders that agree with our platforms."

It will be interesting to see what the prevailing talking points will be in, say, 2-4 months. Will the media and acolytes double, triple, and quadruple down on the revisionism now being pushed of " it's putin's fault," or will people see through that?
Joes had too many missteps for them to be forgotten in the next 2-4 months. Repubs will keep reminding everyone.
 

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Federal government spending by year:

2019: 4.4 trillion
2020: 6.5 trillion
2021: 7.2 trillion
2022: estimate 6 trillion
I don't think this looks as good as you may seem to think it does.

Unless you think 6 trillion is a ridiculous amount of spending?
 

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I've seen several people posting on FB that with gas prices so high, siphoning is going to become a thing and that you should siphon from cars with Biden stickers on them since this is their fault for electing him. Let them suffer the consequences.
 

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Wonder if those who blame Biden for gas prices have any input on this twitter thread by an MIT econ prof.
I’ll throw my hat into the ring a little bit……..I’m an environmental scientist by eduction but have worked on the business side for most of my working life. That being said, my organization has a lot (i.e. hundreds) of clients that work in the oilfield industry. This would include service contractors, product manufacturers and all kinds of companies working upstream, midstream and downstream. Most all of them say that the current governmental administration has curbed their ability to produce ā€œmoreā€ oil and natural gas. It has also become increasingly difficult for them to handle the logistical side of moving product for a number of reasons. I don’t generally ask them for specifics but it has been a common theme the past year. I am all for alternative energy that will be efficient as well as kinder to the planet. I also realize that we are a long way from really being able to do that consistently. As we build out the infrastructure for EVs, convert power plants from coal/petroleum, make EVs affordable to everyone, etc…….it would be wise to make efficient use of the petroleum resources we have available to us rather than make it difficult.
 

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I don't think this looks as good as you may seem to think it does.

Unless you think 6 trillion is a ridiculous amount of spending?

I'm just pointing out the actual spending amounts. If 6 trillion is a ridiculous amount of spending then it has been ridiculous for years preceding, as Drayer said, the trillions and trillions that President Biden and his friends printed. Us being against disengenuityousness and all that.
 

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I’ll throw my hat into the ring a little bit……..I’m an environmental scientist by eduction but have worked on the business side for most of my working life. That being said, my organization has a lot (i.e. hundreds) of clients that work in the oilfield industry. This would include service contractors, product manufacturers and all kinds of companies working upstream, midstream and downstream. Most all of them say that the current governmental administration has curbed their ability to produce ā€œmoreā€ oil and natural gas. It has also become increasingly difficult for them to handle the logistical side of moving product for a number of reasons. I don’t generally ask them for specifics but it has been a common theme the past year. I am all for alternative energy that will be efficient as well as kinder to the planet. I also realize that we are a long way from really being able to do that consistently. As we build out the infrastructure for EVs, convert power plants from coal/petroleum, make EVs affordable to everyone, etc…….it would be wise to make efficient use of the petroleum resources we have available to us rather than make it difficult.
I think that is all fair, and good points. My point lays more in that most of the market is dictated outside of NA, so it's tough to be the market setters and if OPEC etc. raise their prices why would any NA corp not raise their prices.
 

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I think that is all fair, and good points. My point lays more in that most of the market is dictated outside of NA, so it's tough to be the market setters and if OPEC etc. raise their prices why would any NA corp not raise their prices.
Understood TG and I appreciate your response. I would theorize that the more independent the US can be in energy production, the more control we as a country would have in setting the price for petroleum here. Some countries are very dependent on outside sources to meet their energy needs but here in North America, that is not necessarily the case. Obviously, we have to use our resources in an environmentally responsible manner but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use them if we can.
 

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Understood TG and I appreciate your response. I would theorize that the more independent the US can be in energy production, the more control we as a country would have in setting the price for petroleum here. Some countries are very dependent on outside sources to meet their energy needs but here in North America, that is not necessarily the case. Obviously, we have to use our resources in an environmentally responsible manner but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use them if we can.
That's where the rub is. Produce more here and we're not as dependent on pricing from other sources.
 

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I really enjoyed this podcast w/ Andrew Dessler, climate scientist from TAMU. He came off as commonsensical in that, yes; we need to ween ourselves off coal but that we can’t just flip a switch overnight. And he’s a nuclear proponent although he acknowledges it’s one of the more costly forms of energy. The trade-off is that it’s one of the most reliable & cleanest.



One subject that I don’t even know if it can be addressed yet is: ā€œOnce we are a predominantly EV society, what will the gov’t tax to replace their loss of tax revenue from the gas pumps?ā€ Not saying this will happen anytime soon, but itā€˜s fair to say that it could happen in our lifetime. Wonder how Tesla, Chevy & other EV automakers are navigating this inevitability?
 

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I really enjoyed this podcast w/ Andrew Dessler, climate scientist from TAMU. He came off as commonsensical in that, yes; we need to ween ourselves off coal but that we can’t just flip a switch overnight. And he’s a nuclear proponent although he acknowledges it’s one of the more costly forms of energy. The trade-off is that it’s one of the most reliable & cleanest.



One subject that I don’t even know if it can be addressed yet is: ā€œOnce we are a predominantly EV society, what will the gov’t tax to replace their loss of tax revenue from the gas pumps?ā€ Not saying this will happen anytime soon, but itā€˜s fair to say that it could happen in our lifetime. Wonder how Tesla, Chevy & other EV automakers are navigating this inevitability?

That's a great question, Furthermore, a friend and I were speaking the other day about EV vehicles and he brought up a great question as well. "Once most of the vehicles in the US are using electricity what will control the cost of electricity?" "How much will we be paying in our homes when demand increases?"

My current rate is Energy Charge: (Cents / kWh) $0.09882. What should we expect when this happens? I just had a $380 electric bill during a cold run. Doubling that because everyone is zooming around in their Tesla would really suck.
 

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Understood TG and I appreciate your response. I would theorize that the more independent the US can be in energy production, the more control we as a country would have in setting the price for petroleum here. Some countries are very dependent on outside sources to meet their energy needs but here in North America, that is not necessarily the case. Obviously, we have to use our resources in an environmentally responsible manner but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use them if we can.
I get that and to some extent I believe that would help with things like transportation/quality control. With pricing though, I just can't see the big O&G corps accepting a lower rate without some sort of government subsidy. Unless we can get to a level of global oversupply which would take an incredible effort by everyone.

I think everyone here agrees that increasing corporate breaks is a no no lol.
 

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Valid questions regarding EV market in the posts above. In Indiana, registration has an added charge which is put in place to help offset the loss in gas tax revenue. It's infuriating, but the states aren't going to just lay down and lose money voluntarily. Same goes for the cost of electricity. I've wondered (1) If the current grid infrastructure can handle a surge in at-home car charging and (2) What the cost/kwh changes to once the electric companies receive that kind of increased demand.

Unrelated to EV, as I believe that to be a distant answer to the oil conversation, but I came to this thread hoping for some insight on what the current administration is planning to do to help lower and middle class Americans afford this insane rise in gas prices, not to mention inflation in every other aspect in their lives? Truly, this notion that "I can afford to pay a few dollars more per gallon if it's for the greater good" is so on par for the elitist mindset in this country. Every day working class citizens are already hurting and this will undoubtedly topple a lot of households. Is that what we want?

What are the short term solutions? We can debate long term dependency on fossil fuels, etc....but I want to know what we can realistically do to help offset these costs right now? There have been a lot of good threads posted in the war thread. I was hoping to carry on that specific conversation here.
 

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Valid questions regarding EV market in the posts above. In Indiana, registration has an added charge which is put in place to help offset the loss in gas tax revenue. It's infuriating, but the states aren't going to just lay down and lose money voluntarily. Same goes for the cost of electricity. I've wondered (1) If the current grid infrastructure can handle a surge in at-home car charging and (2) What the cost/kwh changes to once the electric companies receive that kind of increased demand.

Unrelated to EV, as I believe that to be a distant answer to the oil conversation, but I came to this thread hoping for some insight on what the current administration is planning to do to help lower and middle class Americans afford this insane rise in gas prices, not to mention inflation in every other aspect in their lives? Truly, this notion that "I can afford to pay a few dollars more per gallon if it's for the greater good" is so on par for the elitist mindset in this country. Every day working class citizens are already hurting and this will undoubtedly topple a lot of households. Is that what we want?

What are the short term solutions? We can debate long term dependency on fossil fuels, etc....but I want to know what we can realistically do to help offset these costs right now? There have been a lot of good threads posted in the war thread. I was hoping to carry on that specific conversation here.
In the short term, almost nothing can be done other than largely symbolic moves of releasing national reserves. Maybe you can convince other countries such as Saudia Arabia to open the spigot a little more.
 

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In the short term, almost nothing can be done other than largely symbolic moves of releasing national reserves. Maybe you can convince other countries such as Saudia Arabia to open the spigot a little more.
Haven't the Suadis and UAE already pushed back against increasing US oil output? Thought I read that somewhere recently.
 

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Haven't the Suadis and UAE already pushed back against increasing US oil output? Thought I read that somewhere recently.
Don't think they would push back against the US increasing oil output. Biden's trying to convince them that they should increase production. UAE appears to be more supportive on that subject. The Saudi's don't appear to be receptive.
 

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Don't think they would push back against the US increasing oil output. Biden's trying to convince them that they should increase production. UAE appears to be more supportive on that subject. The Saudi's don't appear to be receptive.
Sorry, that's what I meant. Which just leads me back to the question: What is the US supposed to do? Ban oil from one terrible government, only to be begging other terrible governments to make up for it. More domestic drilling doesn't seem to help in the short term as described in the other thread. Not to say that it couldn't help at least at some point in the future. But as far as immediate impacts? What needs to happen and what's a realistic time period to see prices begin to fall back to a reasonable rate?
 

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Valid questions regarding EV market in the posts above. In Indiana, registration has an added charge which is put in place to help offset the loss in gas tax revenue. It's infuriating, but the states aren't going to just lay down and lose money voluntarily. Same goes for the cost of electricity. I've wondered (1) If the current grid infrastructure can handle a surge in at-home car charging and (2) What the cost/kwh changes to once the electric companies receive that kind of increased demand.

Unrelated to EV, as I believe that to be a distant answer to the oil conversation, but I came to this thread hoping for some insight on what the current administration is planning to do to help lower and middle class Americans afford this insane rise in gas prices, not to mention inflation in every other aspect in their lives? Truly, this notion that "I can afford to pay a few dollars more per gallon if it's for the greater good" is so on par for the elitist mindset in this country. Every day working class citizens are already hurting and this will undoubtedly topple a lot of households. Is that what we want?

What are the short term solutions? We can debate long term dependency on fossil fuels, etc....but I want to know what we can realistically do to help offset these costs right now? There have been a lot of good threads posted in the war thread. I was hoping to carry on that specific conversation here.
One subject that I don’t even know if it can be addressed yet is: ā€œOnce we are a predominantly EV society, what will the gov’t tax to replace their loss of tax revenue from the gas pumps?ā€ Not saying this will happen anytime soon, but itā€˜s fair to say that it could happen in our lifetime. Wonder how Tesla, Chevy & other EV automakers are navigating this inevitability?

Was just having this same conversation earlier today. Maybe attach a tax at the charging station like they do at the pump? That doesn't address charging at home though.
Valid questions regarding EV market in the posts above. In Indiana, registration has an added charge which is put in place to help offset the loss in gas tax revenue. It's infuriating, but the states aren't going to just lay down and lose money voluntarily. Same goes for the cost of electricity. I've wondered (1) If the current grid infrastructure can handle a surge in at-home car charging and (2) What the cost/kwh changes to once the electric companies receive that kind of increased demand.

Unrelated to EV, as I believe that to be a distant answer to the oil conversation, but I came to this thread hoping for some insight on what the current administration is planning to do to help lower and middle class Americans afford this insane rise in gas prices, not to mention inflation in every other aspect in their lives? Truly, this notion that "I can afford to pay a few dollars more per gallon if it's for the greater good" is so on par for the elitist mindset in this country. Every day working class citizens are already hurting and this will undoubtedly topple a lot of households. Is that what we want?

What are the short term solutions? We can debate long term dependency on fossil fuels, etc....but I want to know what we can realistically do to help offset these costs right now? There have been a lot of good threads posted in the war thread. I was hoping to carry on that specific conversation here.
Wasn't aware the they had done this already. Is it a percentage of the sale price?
 

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Was just having this same conversation earlier today. Maybe attach a tax at the charging station like they do at the pump? That doesn't address charging at home though.

Wasn't aware the they had done this already. Is it a percentage of the sale price?

$150 annual fee on top of normal registration is what I was told.
 
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