'23 AL QB Chris Vizzina (Clemson Verbal)

[IrishLax]

Seems pretty glass half empty. Not sure why we believe in the boogeyman so much now just because he’s out in public. Not every elite kid decides based off NIL nor is it the instant reason we lose a recruitment. I think you’re actually dead wrong on many elite kids, they will decide less based off NIL than “the leftovers” because choosing the wrong school for their development, playing time etc to make NIL money now will cost them NFL money in the future. Caleb Williams for example, why risk less a chance to go 1-1 and make the average salary at that position to go 1-15 and cash a mil of NIL? These kids (and their families) can see that. Tate said as much just the other day. That leads back to the easier truth here, Clemson and OU make more sense for Arnold and Vizzina, on paper (and maybe in reality).

On QBs, the truth is I worry that the whole Vizzina and Arnold recruitments was a bit of a facade that Tommy botched in pursuit of his Day 1, Dante Moore.

I think that more teams are doing it and the dollar amounts are larger and more kids are willing to seek money whereas before they often wouldn’t want to do something illicit. Clearly, Texas A&M showed how you can harness NIL to its full potential and my concern is what happens if there are a dozen A&Ms this year.

For example, Dabo complained about NIL. Does anyone really think that Clemson… who founded their current program on buying players… isn’t going to have their stuff figured out for this class?

Plus, all of these kids have agents now, and the agents are only getting paid if they’re taking as much $$$ as possible.

It’s too early to say how exactly everything shakes out, but I would think we’ll have a clearer picture by the summer and a very clear one by next winter.

 

[yankeehater]

Wake me up when ND is willing to do something with NIL.

Like I said, being a “good recruiter” has never been less important. Just write a check and get who you want. Or don’t and get leftovers.

Also most of these kids have not lived to see ND put a good QB or WR in the league. Golden Tate was probably the last decent one. C.J. Williams mentioned that as one of his deciding factors.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Also most of these kids have not lived to see ND put a good QB or WR in the league. Golden Tate was probably the last decent one. C.J. Williams mentioned that as one of his deciding factors.

T.J Jones? Floyd? ESB? Fuller? Claypool? I mean they aren't pro-bowlers but they all have played on active rosters for multiple years.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Dante Moore isn’t coming here

 

[T-Boone]

we need Buchner to be Lamar Jackson next season.

 

[GATTACA!]

Also most of these kids have not lived to see ND put a good QB or WR in the league. Golden Tate was probably the last decent one. C.J. Williams mentioned that as one of his deciding factors.

Will Fuller? Chase Claypool?

 

[yankeehater]

Will Fuller? Chase Claypool?

Fuller was good when he could stay on the field which unfortunately has not been a lot. Claypool this past season ranked 35th in receiving yards and his 2 TD reception tied a bunch of lineman. Maybe in time, but guys from the schools the kids are looking at as competition with ND put more 1st and 2nd rounders in the league every year than ND has in total.

 

[Dale]

I think that more teams are doing it and the dollar amounts are larger and more kids are willing to seek money whereas before they often wouldn’t want to do something illicit. Clearly, Texas A&M showed how you can harness NIL to its full potential and my concern is what happens if there are a dozen A&Ms this year.

For example, Dabo complained about NIL. Does anyone really think that Clemson… who founded their current program on buying players… isn’t going to have their stuff figured out for this class?

Plus, all of these kids have agents now, and the agents are only getting paid if they’re taking as much $$$ as possible.

It’s too early to say how exactly everything shakes out, but I would think we’ll have a clearer picture by the summer and a very clear one by next winter.

I don’t think you can say Texas A&M has harnessed it to its full potential. There is as good a chance that 2022 class was the foundation for a future championship team as there is the example of a failed revolution. Harness is actually a funny word in this case. We’ll see if they do so or lost control. That’s why I hate the “let’s copy A&M, look at A&M” type comments. A&M hasn’t won **** yet. What happens when none of them work hard? What happens when they see mass transfers? A&M signed a great recruiting class. Historic. Doesn’t mean they did it right or best yet.

 

[irishff1014]

Same song and dance. Tommy is not a lights out recruiter nor have we produced a top QB under Kelly’s admin or while Tommy is OC. Until we get a different OC or we produce a top QB nothing is going to change.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Dante Moore isn’t coming here

What's with this talk? Am I the only one old enough hear to remember how much sense it would make for Manti to not come to nd, but then did?

 

[NDdomer2]

I don’t think you can say Texas A&M has harnessed it to its full potential. There is as good a chance that 2022 class was the foundation for a future championship team as there is the example of a failed revolution. Harness is actually a funny word in this case. We’ll see if they do so or lost control. That’s why I hate the “let’s copy A&M, look at A&M” type comments. A&M hasn’t won **** yet. What happens when none of them work hard? What happens when they see mass transfers? A&M signed a great recruiting class. Historic. Doesn’t mean they did it right or best yet.

All of this is currently true.

But it can also be true that current NIL trend doesn't help ND in the immediate future.

As far as doing it right one the best - I don't think I'd bet money that ND is going to be hindsight champ of NIL era.

Football in today's world is typically win be elite QB play and there's going to be a going rate for that.

 

[Irish4life]

Seems pretty glass half empty. Not sure why we believe in the boogeyman so much now just because he’s out in public. Not every elite kid decides based off NIL nor is it the instant reason we lose a recruitment. I think you’re actually dead wrong on many elite kids, they will decide less based off NIL than “the leftovers” because choosing the wrong school for their development, playing time etc to make NIL money now will cost them NFL money in the future. Caleb Williams for example, why risk less a chance to go 1-1 and make the average salary at that position to go 1-15 and cash a mil of NIL? These kids (and their families) can see that. Tate said as much just the other day. That leads back to the easier truth here, Clemson and OU make more sense for Arnold and Vizzina, on paper (and maybe in reality).

On QBs, the truth is I worry that the whole Vizzina and Arnold recruitments was a bit of a facade that Tommy botched in pursuit of his Day 1, Dante Moore.

While I agree with everything you said in your first paragraph, I'm not quite sure how Tommy could've possibly botched the recruitments of Arnold or Vizzina. He brought them both on campus, they threw for him, he offered them. He's stayed in contact with both of them, and both have visited. Heck, Vizzina was on campus not all that long ago! And look, who knows? It's January. Maybe Tommy can get some momentum with one or both of them again before they set commitment dates. But if ND truly goes 0/4 on it's big 4....perhaps Notre Dame just isn't an attractive place for QBs anymore.

 

[Dale]

While I agree with everything you said in your first paragraph, I'm not quite sure how Tommy could've possibly botched the recruitments of Arnold or Vizzina. He brought them both on campus, they threw for him, he offered them. He's stayed in contact with both of them, and both have visited. Heck, Vizzina was on campus not all that long ago! And look, who knows? It's January. Maybe Tommy can get some momentum with one or both of them again before they set commitment dates. But if ND truly goes 0/4 on it's big 4....perhaps Notre Dame just isn't an attractive place for QBs anymore.

It’s the difference between the “green light” we’ve heard Singer and Loy say Arnold definitely has and Vizinna probably has and pushing for a commitment. I’ve been on Rees’ side in terms of timing of offers in general, but I think we had head starts on both guys and left it in neutral because “we were fine with that” anyways since Dante Moore didn’t want to decide soon. If Clemson is indeed close with Vizinna it means they’ve bowed out of the Arch sweepstakes and likely instantly turned up the heat on him. OU has Lebbys prior relationship but is about to land Arnold with one visit. That isn’t NIL magic wands, it’s pressing for commitments same as it ever was.

I don’t know the exact visit schedule he did off hand but Rees has been all over Dante Moore here in January which is great but it also reveals this 1A 1B, they all have green lights thing isn’t quite as equal as we thought, he still wants Moore #1.

 

[Irish4life]

It’s the difference between the “green light” we’ve heard Singer and Loy say Arnold definitely has and Vizinna probably has and pushing for a commitment. I’ve been on Rees’ side in terms of timing of offers in general, but I think we had head starts on both guys and left it in neutral because “we were fine with that” anyways since Dante Moore didn’t want to decide soon. If Clemson is indeed close with Vizinna it means they’ve bowed out of the Arch sweepstakes and likely instantly turned up the heat on him. OU has Lebbys prior relationship but is about to land Arnold with one visit. That isn’t NIL magic wands, it’s pressing for commitments same as it ever was.

I don’t know the exact visit schedule he did off hand but Rees has been all over Dante Moore here in January which is great but it also reveals this 1A 1B, they all have green lights thing isn’t quite as equal as we thought, he still wants Moore #1.

They had Vizzina on campus in December, and Freeman AND Rees both visited Arnold on Tuesday. Sure, would've been nice to see them visit Vizzina this week too, but I truly cannot think of what else ND could've done to get Jackson Arnold in the fold.

 

[Dale]

They had Vizzina on campus in December, and Freeman AND Rees both visited Arnold on Tuesday. Sure, would've been nice to see them visit Vizzina this week too, but I truly cannot think of what else ND could've done to get Jackson Arnold in the fold.

I don’t think you can ponder what else we could have done when our 3 top targets are visiting other schools this month, 2 of which have commitment buzz with them, and none are scheduled to visit ND. It circles back to what I’m worried was our level of want or push. Arnold and Vizzina aren’t deciding till the Spring anyways which works for us because neither is Dante Moore! That is something we’ve heard numerous times. Well apparently that can flip with one visit for Arnold. Will it flip with one visit for Vizzina too? They both didn’t suddenly stop liking ND. The competition just turned up the heat. I don’t know if we met those stakes, and that also doesn’t simplify to NIL only IMO.

 

[Irish4life]

I don’t think you can ponder what else we could have done when our 3 top targets are visiting other schools this month, 2 of which have commitment buzz with them, and none are scheduled to visit ND. It circles back to what I’m worried was our level of want or push. Arnold and Vizzina aren’t deciding till the Spring anyways which works for us because neither is Dante Moore! That is something we’ve heard numerous times. Well apparently that can flip with one visit for Arnold. Will it flip with one visit for Vizzina too? They both didn’t suddenly stop liking ND. The competition just turned up the heat. I don’t know if we met those stakes, and that also doesn’t simplify to NIL only IMO.

Never said anything about NIL money friend. What I am saying, is that Loy reported that our HC and our OC were visiting Jackson Arnold this week, and that they wanted to get him on campus for a visit. A few days later he's crystal balled to OU. If you wanna make the argument they should've pushed harder for Vizzina, sure. I agree, they probably should've. Same cannot be said for Arnold. Which goes back to my original point. Maybe ND just isn't a destination for QBs anymore? I think going 0/4 on our top group of QBs points to that fact pretty strongly.

 

[Dale]

Never said anything about NIL money friend. What I am saying, is that Loy reported that our HC and our OC were visiting Jackson Arnold this week, and that they wanted to get him on campus for a visit. A few days later he's crystal balled to OU. If you wanna make the argument they should've pushed harder for Vizzina, sure. I agree, they probably should've. Same cannot be said for Arnold. Which goes back to my original point. Maybe ND just isn't a destination for QBs anymore? I think going 0/4 on our top group of QBs points to that fact pretty strongly.

I know you didn’t mention NIL but it came on here earlier. I think you’re looking it as what could we have done in the last couple weeks with Arnold. That’s not where I’m coming from with it, I mentioned seeing Moore a lot not because I think that’s what needed to happen with Arnold, but to illustrate a pecking order that is there. What does pressing for a commitment or turning up the heat means? That isn’t an easy answer. That’s things like making feel like a priority and at the same time present a ticking clock on the spot. That’s when Arnold is on campus for the UNC game was Coach Rees “casual” and we talked about things other than football. Another example, Vizzina talked about knowing QBs are leaders of the commitment class. Play into those things, make it not be Spring decision. There are many other things but there is a sense of urgency you can dial up, for example look at over the summer DB recruiting last year, and I don’t think we dialed that level on either attainable QB. And now the competition is.

 

[ThePiombino]

What's with this talk? Am I the only one old enough hear to remember how much sense it would make for Manti to not come to nd, but then did?

Your argument would hold a lot more water if the most recent example of us landing a stud we optically had little chance with wasn't more than a decade ago...

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[GATTACA!]

What’s Charlie Weis up to these days? Can we bring him back as an offensive recruiting coordinator or something?

 

[NDFAN2008]

So we sent him one of those graphics with his Name and All American and spelled his name CHIRS someone needs fired.

 

[stlnd01]

So we sent him one of those graphics with his Name and All American and spelled his name CHIRS someone needs fired.

Maybe he's a "Noter Dame" guy?

 

[Irish4life]

Maybe he's a "Noter Dame" guy?

Would have to think "Norte Dame" lol.

 

[NDPhilly]

Chris received an offer from BK and LSU this weekend. He also took another visit to Tennessee.

 

[MacIrish75]

So we sent him one of those graphics with his Name and All American and spelled his name CHIRS someone needs fired.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/vizzina2/status/1485637284112252933?s=21[/TWEET]

Thought, “Maybe it isn’t THAT bad.” Nope. It is.

 

[Irish#1]

With the gold lettering and the font used, he might not have noticed it.

 

[Luckylucci]

The good news is, I hear there are still plenty of QB's out there that know how wide a football field is. So, Tommy is very confident he'll be able to land one of those prospects.

 

[irishff1014]

So we sent him one of those graphics with his Name and All American and spelled his name CHIRS someone needs fired.

What kind of morons does this football program have working here? This bad. Wow

 

[irish4ever]

With the gold lettering and the font used, he might not have noticed it.

LOL, yeah right. He gone!

 

[Irish#1]

LOL, yeah right. He gone!

I guess you missed the italics = sarcasm?

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Tommy Rees at his high school today!