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The vote really wasn't FOR Brandon, it was AGAINST Trump. Brandon just happened to be the name next to the checkbox.

Certainly is truth. He was a candidate that didn't really go out and campaign, and struggled much through his own primary before Democrats decided to rally behind him and push him across the finish line. Yet he (supposedly) got more votes than anyone else in history. It had every bit to do with the push against Trump and the effects of the pandemic that reversed course on his reelection...only to find that Biden's first year ended up worse than Trump's in that regard.
 

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Record high inflation numbers came out this morning to coincide with the record high covid cases. #AmericaIsBack

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1481268717803782144?s=20[/TWEET]

Whoa, whoa. Better watch how you define "record breaking" around these parts. Toronto and Browner will pound their fists on the desk in protest.
 

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I love my Audi. And german beer. And pretzels. And blondes, but not for relationships.

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I've got a 2016 Audi A3, 2.0 Turbo Quatro with the premium package. I like it more than the super charged Grand Prix GTPs I used to have.
 

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Another fan of the Audi! I have a 2017 S8+ and bought the wife a 2021 SQ7. They aren't cheap but I still think they're the best value in their class.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

For 10 years I had 2 different Ford Escape's. Wife upgraded to an SUV because Little Leppy #1 is coming in August, and I thought 2 SUV's were pointless. Test drove a few BMW's and the Audi A4 this summer, and I can't believe how much more I liked the Audi. The BMW was uncomfortable, loud, and just overall not a good feel.
 

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Whoa, whoa. Better watch how you define "record breaking" around these parts. Toronto and Browner will pound their fists on the desk in protest.

Still waiting for you to justify how Trump did anything economically recording breaking using stats. I posted them and you didn't address it. When you do, I'll be here. In the great words of dear leader "SAD!"
 

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For 10 years I had 2 different Ford Escape's. Wife upgraded to an SUV because Little Leppy #1 is coming in August, and I thought 2 SUV's were pointless. Test drove a few BMW's and the Audi A4 this summer, and I can't believe how much more I liked the Audi. The BMW was uncomfortable, loud, and just overall not a good feel.

Its bc BMW's are Class Proof. Poors literally don't appreciate them by design. This is how BMW makes sure only upper class people drive them
 

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The people aren't waiting for stat debates to recognize Biden is a failure.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/TomBevanRCP/status/1481343408841109504?s=20[/TWEET]
 

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The vote really wasn't FOR Brandon, it was AGAINST Trump. Brandon just happened to be the name next to the checkbox.

True, but who could have imagined that in the end Trump would have been a better choice? As I and many others have said many a time, all he needed to do was keep his mouth shut and he'd still be in office.
 

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Still waiting for you to justify how Trump did anything economically recording breaking using stats. I posted them and you didn't address it. When you do, I'll be here. In the great words of dear leader "SAD!"

You're cracking me up TG.

You remind me of the dude in Lost that had to push that button every so often. You pop in and post the same thing every so often.
 

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Excerpts from an article on cnn.com. Bottom line is people are tired of hearing about the riot and voters rights which, is what the Dems have as priorities.

Reno, Nevada (CNN)Outside a Costco, Laura Godinez lifts meat, toothpaste, coffee, bottled water and bulk supplies of DayQuil from her cart -- just the staples in a pandemic-era weekly shopping trip that is now often missing extras that might bust the family budget, like cookies and snacks.

Beside her truck, which used to cost $100 to fill but now takes $145 to top off, the 30-year-old construction worker feels exasperated as she assesses a $300 grocery bill that shoots up to $400 when she adds vegetables.

"I don't want to say this, but when Donald Trump was here, it was nothing like this," said Godinez, who said she used to lean Republican but has supported Democrats in recent years. "I've been worried, because instead of things getting better, it is getting worse every time. ... I don't know if it's the President, or what happened, but (under Trump) it was so much better."More than 2,500 miles east, and in a different political universe, President Joe Biden's top economic aides were blitzing news shows Wednesday, arguing that the day's release of the worst inflation figures in 39 years actually contained glimmers of progress.
Here's what Joe Biden can -- and can't -- do to fight inflation
"It's really important to get under the hood of these monthly inflation reports," Biden economic adviser Jared Bernstein told CNN's Jim Sciutto. "And if you look at the change from November to December, inflation is up half a percent. That's considerably down from October and November, when inflation was up, .8 and .9%, respectively."

On Capitol Hill, meanwhile, Democratic senators were locked in intense, emergency meetings. But they weren't working to alleviate the pressures on people like Godinez. They were trying to persuade holdout moderates to change Senate rules to pass voting rights bills. The talks came a day after Biden effectively put his presidency on the line, declaring that the most important challenge before the country is the effort by Republicans to sabotage democracy.

It also raises questions about the legislative priorities of their narrow Senate and House majorities. The situation is not without irony, since Biden placed improving the lives of American workers at the center of his agenda.

The reality Democrats may be missing is that people are hurting right now.
 

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Still waiting for you to justify how Trump did anything economically recording breaking using stats. I posted them and you didn't address it. When you do, I'll be here. In the great words of dear leader "SAD!"

Yeah, not taking the bait here. I've posted these stats in this thread multiple times. I'm not doing more work just for you.
 

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According to the RealClearPolitics polling averages:

President Biden averages on January 12, 2022: Approve - 41.9%, Disapprove - 53.1%
President Trump averages on January 11, 2018: Approve - 39.3%, Disapprove - 56.4%

Pretty neat that the same posts declaring a Presidency a failure based on polling almost a year in can just be recycled. Saved some typing with the old search, copy, paste action. Nicely done!
 

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You're cracking me up TG.

You remind me of the dude in Lost that had to push that button every so often. You pop in and post the same thing every so often.

Desmond is my favorite character. Guess that makes you Desmond's partner? Just that you give the CNN recap on whether there is a new story on Trump each day.
 

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Yeah, not taking the bait here. I've posted these stats in this thread multiple times. I'm not doing more work just for you.

It's ok that it's tough for you to use the search function. I reposted the metrics that you trumpeted as successes. Below you can feel free to check them out and dispute where you see necessary.

https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/sto...e-by-president

Even though you touted Trump's stock market performance from his policies in the past, I'm glad you've walked that back after seeing the pretty mediocre performance compared to other presidents (even accounting for COIVD!).


https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...G?locations=US

What's that GDP growth? Oh, Obama had a higher number in 2015 then Trump ever had. GWB had a higher peak than both of them. Slick? Oh he topped all three of his successors. RR had the highest % growth in the timeline I used (1961 to Present).

https://www.multpl.com/us-labor-forc...icipation-rate

Labour force participation rate, a good one, so Trump actually did better here than Barry. He was able to get the rate up to....rates we saw in 2013ish. Under each president since Clinton/GWB it's fallen.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier...h=292b3e2a1d28

Ah, yes, Gasoline prices, known to be directly impacted by a president. Well, as you can see....Trump didn't do anything special here if you want to believe that a president should be judged on it. I'm guessing you hate GWB then.

https://www.multpl.com/us-long-term-unemployment-rate

Long term unemployment rate, ok so Trump was able to get it to levels that hadn't been seen since pre-Great Recession. As you can see based on prior economic cycles, you can overlay an economic cycle with this rate and point out the peaks and valleys. So the level which Trump got it to is similar to 2007ish.

https://www.multpl.com/unemployment

Unemployment rate, here is one that Trump was president for that reached a level that had not been seen since 1969ish and was slightly better than 2000.

TLDR - If you were born in late 2015 congrats, you are correct Trump did things that had not been seen in your lifetime. If you were born prior to 2015, you'd have likely seen better numbers for any of the metrics you mentioned by any of the previous presidents. If you're going to parrot talking points it's best to at least do ones that aren't as easy to clown on.
 

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It's ok that it's tough for you to use the search function. I reposted the metrics that you trumpeted as successes. Below you can feel free to check them out and dispute where you see necessary.

https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/sto...e-by-president

Even though you touted Trump's stock market performance from his policies in the past, I'm glad you've walked that back after seeing the pretty mediocre performance compared to other presidents (even accounting for COIVD!).


https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...G?locations=US

What's that GDP growth? Oh, Obama had a higher number in 2015 then Trump ever had. GWB had a higher peak than both of them. Slick? Oh he topped all three of his successors. RR had the highest % growth in the timeline I used (1961 to Present).

https://www.multpl.com/us-labor-forc...icipation-rate

Labour force participation rate, a good one, so Trump actually did better here than Barry. He was able to get the rate up to....rates we saw in 2013ish. Under each president since Clinton/GWB it's fallen.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier...h=292b3e2a1d28

Ah, yes, Gasoline prices, known to be directly impacted by a president. Well, as you can see....Trump didn't do anything special here if you want to believe that a president should be judged on it. I'm guessing you hate GWB then.

https://www.multpl.com/us-long-term-unemployment-rate

Long term unemployment rate, ok so Trump was able to get it to levels that hadn't been seen since pre-Great Recession. As you can see based on prior economic cycles, you can overlay an economic cycle with this rate and point out the peaks and valleys. So the level which Trump got it to is similar to 2007ish.

https://www.multpl.com/unemployment

Unemployment rate, here is one that Trump was president for that reached a level that had not been seen since 1969ish and was slightly better than 2000.

TLDR - If you were born in late 2015 congrats, you are correct Trump did things that had not been seen in your lifetime. If you were born prior to 2015, you'd have likely seen better numbers for any of the metrics you mentioned by any of the previous presidents. If you're going to parrot talking points it's best to at least do ones that aren't as easy to clown on.

There's also this:

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2020/demo/p60-270.pdf

And this:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/trump-economy-mainstream-media-andy-puzder
 

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The US gini coefficient/index was largely unadjusted under Trump. Any meaningful change in income inequality would be represented in there. Obama's best year was 2013 at 0.459, and Trump's best was 0.463.

If gains were truly made the coefficient would drop. By no means am I saying Obama was this middle class savior (quite the opposite), just that PL's original point was that these economic successes was unseen in our lifetimes. If the income distribution has gotten more skewed, that indicates that despite increases in income for generally everyone, there still exists a gap. HW was president over the largest jump in the gini coefficient, with every following president making it slightly worse over their tenure.
 

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It's ok that it's tough for you to use the search function. I reposted the metrics that you trumpeted as successes. Below you can feel free to check them out and dispute where you see necessary.

https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/sto...e-by-president

Even though you touted Trump's stock market performance from his policies in the past, I'm glad you've walked that back after seeing the pretty mediocre performance compared to other presidents (even accounting for COIVD!).


https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...G?locations=US

What's that GDP growth? Oh, Obama had a higher number in 2015 then Trump ever had. GWB had a higher peak than both of them. Slick? Oh he topped all three of his successors. RR had the highest % growth in the timeline I used (1961 to Present).

https://www.multpl.com/us-labor-forc...icipation-rate

Labour force participation rate, a good one, so Trump actually did better here than Barry. He was able to get the rate up to....rates we saw in 2013ish. Under each president since Clinton/GWB it's fallen.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier...h=292b3e2a1d28

Ah, yes, Gasoline prices, known to be directly impacted by a president. Well, as you can see....Trump didn't do anything special here if you want to believe that a president should be judged on it. I'm guessing you hate GWB then.

https://www.multpl.com/us-long-term-unemployment-rate

Long term unemployment rate, ok so Trump was able to get it to levels that hadn't been seen since pre-Great Recession. As you can see based on prior economic cycles, you can overlay an economic cycle with this rate and point out the peaks and valleys. So the level which Trump got it to is similar to 2007ish.

https://www.multpl.com/unemployment

Unemployment rate, here is one that Trump was president for that reached a level that had not been seen since 1969ish and was slightly better than 2000.

TLDR - If you were born in late 2015 congrats, you are correct Trump did things that had not been seen in your lifetime. If you were born prior to 2015, you'd have likely seen better numbers for any of the metrics you mentioned by any of the previous presidents. If you're going to parrot talking points it's best to at least do ones that aren't as easy to clown on.

You're smart enough to agree with about half of my arguments, which is really odd considering the hard on you've had about this for months.

Stock market: It's a thing, but not the only thing. Don't really think you can compare apples to apples with Trump vs any other president over 4 years because of Covid, but worth noting we saw the Dow Jones average increase 25% from 2016 to 2017 and another 22% from 2018 to 2019. https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years

GDP: Obama had 8 years in office and brought one year of GDP growth at 3% and had 3 years that were less than 2%. Trump really had 3 years before Covid hit. One year was at 3% and the other 2 were at 2.3 and 2.1. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate

Labor participation rate: Yeah, I miss those days when getting a coffee at Dunkin wasn't a 25 minute excursion.

Gas prices: Not controlled by any president, but do you really wanna go down that aisle after the past 12 months? You're nuts.

Long term unemployment: Yeah, another pretty good indicator. Except now we have record level numbers of people leaving the workforce and Biden touting unemployment under 4% like it's due to anything his admin has put in place. It's a joke.

Do you wanna go into poverty rates, household income, home ownership, and inflation too?
 

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This is after a bizarre speech in Georgia where Biden Iikened those opposed to his one party election takeover bill to Jefferson Davis and George Wallace. This admin hasn’t bottomed yet. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1481732585617244166?s=21[/TWEET]
 

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I literally didn't think this presidency could get worse, but they out do themselves everyday. It would be funny if people's lives weren't at stake.

Harris compares finding life or death testing to googling a restaurant search, "Just do google."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...re_out_how_to_get_a_covid_test_google_it.html

The level of incompetence in this administration is breathtaking. Best thing for Trump was having this presidency follow his.
 

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Now Democrats are saying Hillary needs to run in 2024 to save the party. If that is the case, just blow the party up.
 

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You're smart enough to agree with about half of my arguments, which is really odd considering the hard on you've had about this for months.

Stock market: It's a thing, but not the only thing. Don't really think you can compare apples to apples with Trump vs any other president over 4 years because of Covid, but worth noting we saw the Dow Jones average increase 25% from 2016 to 2017 and another 22% from 2018 to 2019. https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years

GDP: Obama had 8 years in office and brought one year of GDP growth at 3% and had 3 years that were less than 2%. Trump really had 3 years before Covid hit. One year was at 3% and the other 2 were at 2.3 and 2.1. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate

Labor participation rate: Yeah, I miss those days when getting a coffee at Dunkin wasn't a 25 minute excursion.

Gas prices: Not controlled by any president, but do you really wanna go down that aisle after the past 12 months? You're nuts.

Long term unemployment: Yeah, another pretty good indicator. Except now we have record level numbers of people leaving the workforce and Biden touting unemployment under 4% like it's due to anything his admin has put in place. It's a joke.

Do you wanna go into poverty rates, household income, home ownership, and inflation too?

I agreed that the increase in labour force participation rate under Trump was a true economic accomplishment, the other indicators that you had originally mentioned? Not even close to "numbers we haven't seen in some time" that is the issue. Trump is the Pat Fitzgerald of presidents, gets a lot of hype but when you look at the actual economic accomplishments it's pretty bare.

Stock Market - I didn't include 2020 in any of my comments, Trump's first 3 years were unordinary when compared to Obama/Clinton as you can see Trump was well behind Clinton and decently behind Obama. https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president

GDP - Obama had a higher peak then Trump ever did? Trump's highest GDP growth was never as high as Obama's, so that's another economic measure that wasn't "numbers we haven't seen in some time". GWB had a higher peak then both Barry/Donald, and Slick had a higher peak than everyone else. So if you were born in the year 2017, you would be correct, otherwise you are wrong.

Labour participation rate - Yep Donald was president when this was at it's highest point in some time.

Gas prices - You brought this up? You claimed that gas was so great under Trump...yet again another miss. Dude, Biden is a colossal clown and I hope his presidency is a wake up call to the Dems. So have it with the Biden gas prices.

Long term unemployment - Remember, stay on topic, this was about the claim that Trump was some sort of economic mastermind, he isn't and hasn't ever been one. Whatever shit Biden is doing doesn't impact the fact that the claim about Trump was wrong. You want to lay into Biden for being a brutal economic president, go nuts.

Poverty rates/Household income - It seems like Trump was president when these saw their highest increases. The gini coefficient and workers share of corporate profits are indicators economists use for whether labour market gains are being made.

Home ownership - Ok? Obama had a higher % in his last year than Trump ever had? So, I guess if you were born in 2017 you wouldn't have seen the numbers that Trump posted. https://www.statista.com/statistics/184902/homeownership-rate-in-the-us-since-2003/
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Inflation - Obama posted better inflation numbers than Trump ever did? Trump averaged 2.1% over his 3 years (if we're excluding 2020). Obama averaged 1.76% over his 8 years. So based on that, we go back to the issue of when you were born because if you alive for Obama's 8 years you experienced better inflation numbers.
 

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Home ownership - Ok? Obama had a higher % in his last year than Trump ever had? So, I guess if you were born in 2017 you wouldn't have seen the numbers that Trump posted. https://www.statista.com/statistics/184902/homeownership-rate-in-the-us-since-2003/
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I think you mean Obama's first year was the highest % based on that graph, yeah? It should be noted that every year of Obama's presidency home ownership dropped lower and lower, but to be fair that trend began under Bush when the Recession kicked off. Based on the graph the downward trend ended in 2016 when Trump took over and we're continuing to climb as we saw with the crazy housing market in 2020. We ended up selling our old place for almost twice what we paid for it 10 years prior. Pretty good return on that investment.
 

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I think you mean Obama's first year was the highest % based on that graph, yeah? It should be noted that every year of Obama's presidency home ownership dropped lower and lower, but to be fair that trend began under Bush when the Recession kicked off. Based on the graph the downward trend ended in 2016 when Trump took over and we're continuing to climb as we saw with the crazy housing market in 2020. We ended up selling our old place for almost twice what we paid for it 10 years prior. Pretty good return on that investment.

Yep what you said is correct, not sure where my head was at there with disjointed world salad. Glad you were able to make a decent profit on it. Its so foreign to me that you can get a half decent place in almost any state for relatively affordable prices. Guess that's the perk of having a mostly habitable country with economic centres spread out.
 

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Yep what you said is correct, not sure where my head was at there with disjointed world salad. Glad you were able to make a decent profit on it. Its so foreign to me that you can get a half decent place in almost any state for relatively affordable prices. Guess that's the perk of having a mostly habitable country with economic centres spread out.

Saw this crazy Tiktok last week where someone was doing a walkthrough of a 2800+ square foot home in the Midwest, and then they did a walkthrough of an old New York City coat closet that cost more than the Midwest home. The living room/bedroom/kitchen was not even 300 square feet, and the only other room was a tiny ass bathroom, it was unreal. I'd have to be making well into six figures to live in such a small space, and by then it wouldn't matter because I could probably afford something bigger.
 

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Desmond is my favorite character. Guess that makes you Desmond's partner? Just that you give the CNN recap on whether there is a new story on Trump each day.

Really? Care to quote all the times I said CNN's main story was Trump?
 

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I literally didn't think this presidency could get worse, but they out do themselves everyday. It would be funny if people's lives weren't at stake.

Harris compares finding life or death testing to googling a restaurant search, "Just do google."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...re_out_how_to_get_a_covid_test_google_it.html

The level of incompetence in this administration is breathtaking. Best thing for Trump was having this presidency follow his.

Yes, but I hope that doesn't bring him back in 24. I'm ready to make America like the free state of Florida.
 

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I agreed that the increase in labour force participation rate under Trump was a true economic accomplishment, the other indicators that you had originally mentioned? Not even close to "numbers we haven't seen in some time" that is the issue. Trump is the Pat Fitzgerald of presidents, gets a lot of hype but when you look at the actual economic accomplishments it's pretty bare.

Stock Market - I didn't include 2020 in any of my comments, Trump's first 3 years were unordinary when compared to Obama/Clinton as you can see Trump was well behind Clinton and decently behind Obama. https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president

GDP - Obama had a higher peak then Trump ever did? Trump's highest GDP growth was never as high as Obama's, so that's another economic measure that wasn't "numbers we haven't seen in some time". GWB had a higher peak then both Barry/Donald, and Slick had a higher peak than everyone else. So if you were born in the year 2017, you would be correct, otherwise you are wrong.

Labour participation rate - Yep Donald was president when this was at it's highest point in some time.

Gas prices - You brought this up? You claimed that gas was so great under Trump...yet again another miss. Dude, Biden is a colossal clown and I hope his presidency is a wake up call to the Dems. So have it with the Biden gas prices.

Long term unemployment - Remember, stay on topic, this was about the claim that Trump was some sort of economic mastermind, he isn't and hasn't ever been one. Whatever shit Biden is doing doesn't impact the fact that the claim about Trump was wrong. You want to lay into Biden for being a brutal economic president, go nuts.

Poverty rates/Household income - It seems like Trump was president when these saw their highest increases. The gini coefficient and workers share of corporate profits are indicators economists use for whether labour market gains are being made.

Home ownership - Ok? Obama had a higher % in his last year than Trump ever had? So, I guess if you were born in 2017 you wouldn't have seen the numbers that Trump posted. https://www.statista.com/statistics/184902/homeownership-rate-in-the-us-since-2003/
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Inflation - Obama posted better inflation numbers than Trump ever did? Trump averaged 2.1% over his 3 years (if we're excluding 2020). Obama averaged 1.76% over his 8 years. So based on that, we go back to the issue of when you were born because if you alive for Obama's 8 years you experienced better inflation numbers.

Your desire to disagree with me is really odd given how much you agree with me. I'd say let's meet up in Toronto (which I hear is a good time) for a bite to eat and a cocktail, but that's not possible because indoor dining is not permitted right now and it's way too cold to eat outside. Cheers.
 
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