COVID-19

[TorontoGold]

The 1% isn't lost on me and the 99% shouldn't be lost on you.

The vaccines I got earlier in life actually worked.

I don't need papers or charts to make these arguments: The original strain has a 99% survival rate, omicron is mild and much less threatening, some people who got the shot have had serious negative consequences, people are double vaxxed and still getting covid, and I support anyone's decision to get the shot, and no employer/ government should force anyone to get it.

BVG thought he was the smartest guy in every room he walked into, and no one on this board is more impressed with you than you. Have fun with your next round of lockdowns.

Yeah that's the stuff, stats? Nahhhh lmao.

 

[NDPhilly]

I'm in NYC and it feels like half the city is sick with Covid or something else. I know half a dozen people personally that have had symptomatic breakthrough cases in the last 2 weeks up here.

Breakthrough cases are no longer rare. The vaccine mandates should be abolished immediately. The key assumption (vaccinated can't spread covid) is no longer anywhere close to true.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I must have missed the part where a vaccine is an actual cure? Pretty sure that’s not a thing. The vaccine is meant to prepare your body to deal with the virus should you get it again and limit your negative impacts which is exactly what we see happening. Those who aren’t vax’d have worse outcomes per the stats I’ve seen but whatever. This is like elementary level fundamental principals of immunology. Lol

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I must have missed the part where a vaccine is an actual cure? Pretty sure that’s not a thing. The vaccine is meant to prepare your body to deal with the virus should you get it again and limit your negative impacts which is exactly what we see happening. Those who aren’t vax’d have worse outcomes per the stats I’ve seen but whatever. This is like elementary level fundamental principals of immunology. Lol

Understood, but it is not reducing the spread. Therefore, if an individual does not want to get the jab it should be a personal choice. I got the jab, and have no issue with people if they chose not to take it. Not my business.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Understood, but it is not reducing the spread. Therefore, if an individual does not want to get the jab it should be a personal choice. I got the jab, and have no issue with people if they chose not to take it. Not my business.

Eh…. Your personal choice has the potential it osignificantly impact numerous people around you…. So the personal choice argument doesn’t carry much weight regarding communicable diseases. They don’t give a shit about your personal freedoms.

I’m fairly certain that spread is reduced by vaccinated people. I don’t have any numbers in front of me and I’m not going to argue heavily for it right now but minus variability in different strains, vaccinated people who practice social distancing and other common spread reduction practices are doing nothing but helping.

My own personal anecdote is that me my wife and children have managed to not get covid at all and we have done pretty much most of what was asked of us to do. I have other family that have NOT done anythjng….and continue to get sick and spread it around and given to some of their very vulnerable realtives. My wife’s step mom has been on a ventilator and unconscious for over six weeks due to covid. She barely survived but managed to come back after multiple scares, three resuscitations and a constant amount of monitoring and treatment.

I’ve also got several long haulers in my family. I can’t imagine dealing with that and don’t want to.

 

[yankeehater]

Because it's a respiratory disease spread by air/droplets, the general public can't properly assess their personal risk, and anti vaxxers are clogging up hospitals leading to delayed procedures for the rest of the population.

Like smoking indoors.

You have been watching too much CNN. This is not nor has it ever been a respiratory disease. I have posted one study. Go find Dr. Bruce Patterson and watch his videos explaining the mechanism of action for the virus. Then you will also know why my spike protein question is extremely important as well. If Dr. Patterson was in charge instead of Fauci, this would have been over after two weeks like promised. If more doctors understood the virus mechanism and the two phases of the disease (virological and immunological) our standard of care in the US would have evolved and be better by now as well.


https://news.cuanschutz.edu/news-st...-prime-suspect-in-covids-debilitating-effects

 

[PerthDomer]

You have been watching too much CNN. This is not nor has it ever been a respiratory disease. I have posted one study. Go find Dr. Bruce Patterson and watch his videos explaining the mechanism of action for the virus. Then you will also know why my spike protein question is extremely important as well. If Dr. Patterson was in charge instead of Fauci, this would have been over after two weeks like promised. If more doctors understood the virus mechanism and the two phases of the disease (virological and immunological) our standard of care in the US would have evolved and be better by now as well.


https://news.cuanschutz.edu/news-st...-prime-suspect-in-covids-debilitating-effects

It's a respiratory virus. It has significant aerosol spread. Lay off the ganja.

 

[yankeehater]

The two phases of the virus also explain why certain medications are useless once hospitalized like an anti-viral like remdesivir. By the time of hospitalization, the battle is against inflammation and the bodies immune response (studies also have shown some patients no longer have any viral load at time of hospitalization). I laughed when people everywhere put up studies on hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin given to hospitalized patients stating they don't work but don't understand that the reason is because the treatment was given at the wrong time of the disease.

 

[yankeehater]

It's a respiratory virus. It has significant aerosol spread. Lay off the ganja.

Transmission may be through aerosol, but that does not mean it is a respiratory virus. Explain why covid lung/pneumonia occurs in the both lungs instead of only one? Is it not because the lungs cannot process the damaged cells like in the study I posted? Also does it not also deal with the spike proteins attachment to the ACE2 receptors?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Covid 19 was SARS -Cov 2 type resporitory virus discovered in 2019


SEVERE ACCUTE RESPIRATORY SYNDROME COVID 2


must not be a respiratory virus… maybe it’s a virus that cause people to believe crazy bullshit?

 

[yankeehater]

Covid 19 was SARS -Cov 2 type resporitory virus discovered in 2019


SEVERE ACCUTE RESPIRATORY SYNDROME COVID 2


must not be a respiratory virus… maybe it’s a virus that cause people to believe crazy bullshit?

Maybe they are the same people who named somewhere you park a driveway. Did you even read the study I posted?

I had a guy who claimed to be an ER doctor treating covid patients not know what ECMO was when I asked if they were employing that treatment in his hospital. Heck, maybe he lied and was only a janitor.

 

[yankeehater]

Don't believe me, but Dr. Bruce Patterson is the former head of virology at Stanford with 30+ years of field work on viruses.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Maybe they are the same people who named somewhere you park a driveway. Did you even read the study I posted?

I had a guy who claimed to be an ER doctor treating covid patients not know what ECMO was when I asked if they were employing that treatment in his hospital. Heck, maybe he lied and was only a janitor.

No I listen to my doctor and my sister who is a nurse who works the covid floor 80 hours a week and the doctors who treated my handicapped uncle and my wife’s step mom who has been on a ventilator for over 6 weeks. Not you.

 

[yankeehater]

When I posed these same questions to a department head at Hoag, a cardiologist, that ER doctor they all punted and one even told me they could no longer advise me and to consult my immunologist. Like we all have one of those handy.

 

[yankeehater]

No I listen to my doctor and my sister who is a nurse who works the covid floor 80 hours a week and the doctors who treated my handicapped uncle and my wife’s step mom who has been on a ventilator for over 6 weeks. Not you.

What did they treat your Uncle with? My buddy just got out of the hospital. He said the virus was hell and the treatment was worse. Mechanical ventilation and remdesivir. I tried to get him Leronlimab under "right to try" and the hospital/doctors denied it even after he failed to respond to remdesivir (their words not mine).

 

[TorontoGold]

Covid 19 was SARS -Cov 2 type resporitory virus discovered in 2019


SEVERE ACCUTE RESPIRATORY SYNDROME COVID 2


must not be a respiratory virus… maybe it’s a virus that cause people to believe crazy bullshit?

Stats? Nah don't need them.

COVID is just the flu, masks don't work! Flu cases have dropped like a stone after masks were introduced.

Big pharma....bad! Free vaccine lmao

But of all the horsepaste truthing arguments has to be - COVID is not a respiratory virus LOL

 

[yankeehater]

Stats? Nah don't need them.

COVID is just the flu, masks don't work! Flu cases have dropped like a stone after masks were introduced.

Big pharma....bad! Free vaccine lmao

But of all the horsepaste truthing arguments has to be - COVID is not a respiratory virus LOL

The next time you post something useful on this board will be the first. Explain to me where I stated it was just the flu. I posted data and studies that illustrate the mechanism of action for the virus. I bet you never heard about the stages of the disease. Go read something useful and come back to us (maybe search out Dr. Patterson). You do realize that it is quite possible everyone will need a therapeutic at some point and I found it best to educate myself and my family on all options and not just hoping the vaccine works. If I were to come under Perth's care, he would then refer me to someone like Dr. Patterson an expert on virology.

 

[ND-North]

The two phases of the virus also explain why certain medications are useless once hospitalized like an anti-viral like remdesivir. By the time of hospitalization, the battle is against inflammation and the bodies immune response (studies also have shown some patients no longer have any viral load at time of hospitalization). I laughed when people everywhere put up studies on hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin given to hospitalized patients stating they don't work but don't understand that the reason is because the treatment was given at the wrong time of the disease.

Hydroxychloroquine (and ivermectin) have NEVER shown any benefit at any stage of the disease. I cannot believe almost 2 years later people are still talking about hydroxychloroquine. Here is a study looking at hydroxychloroquine in high risk exposure patients. No benefit.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2016638

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Sounds to me like the doctors blew yankee off cuz there wasn’t any ground to be given that would satisfy a person pushing conspiratorial alternatives

 

[yankeehater]

Hydroxychloroquine (and ivermectin) have NEVER shown any benefit at any stage of the disease. I cannot believe almost 2 years later people are still talking about hydroxychloroquine. Here is a study looking at hydroxychloroquine in high risk exposure patients. No benefit.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2016638

I listed those medications because they are known and not out of promotion. They fall under the same category in regards to treatment in fighting the virus as remdevisir i.e. they would target the virus and not the inflammation or immune response (cytokine storm). The drug I have mentioned as useful (Leronlimab) targets the cytokine storm. I pray no one gets to that point where they need treatment as a last resort.

 

[yankeehater]

By the way, you all do realize the new pill coming to market by is it Merck or Pfizer is "green pilled" ivermectin.

 

[yankeehater]

Sounds to me like the doctors blew yankee off cuz there wasn’t any ground to be given that would satisfy a person pushing conspiratorial alternatives

I never once brought up a drug for treatment with any. I only asked if they were aware of Leronlimab. The department head at Hoag did bring up Hydroxychloroquine and said they found it useful in early treatment (onset of first symptom not once hospitalized).

 

[TorontoGold]

The next time you post something useful on this board will be the first. Explain to me where I stated it was just the flu. I posted data and studies that illustrate the mechanism of action for the virus. I bet you never heard about the stages of the disease. Go read something useful and come back to us (maybe search out Dr. Patterson). You do realize that it is quite possible everyone will need a therapeutic at some point and I found it best to educate myself and my family on all options and not just hoping the vaccine works. If I were to come under Perth's care, he would then refer me to someone like Dr. Patterson an expert on virology.

I've literally posted statistics and data to support any of my stances. I'm not out here posting anecdotal stories about how I talked to my sisters boyfriends uncles roommate about their favorite COVID drug.

 

[IrishRazor82]

In 2020 there were 0 vaccinated Americans.

In 2021 there are over 200,000,000 fully vaccinated Americans.

More Americans died of COVID in 2021 than 2020.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Yeah that's the stuff, stats? Nahhhh lmao.

And there we have it. Troll on.

 

[TorontoGold]

And there we have it. Troll on.

"I don't need papers or charts to make these arguments" - No not this guy calling me the troll, couldn't be. lol I know I said BVG earlier, but this is getting to be more Bishop Sycamore than a BVG defense.

 

[Valpodoc85]

The two phases of the virus also explain why certain medications are useless once hospitalized like an anti-viral like remdesivir. By the time of hospitalization, the battle is against inflammation and the bodies immune response (studies also have shown some patients no longer have any viral load at time of hospitalization). I laughed when people everywhere put up studies on hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin given to hospitalized patients stating they don't work but don't understand that the reason is because the treatment was given at the wrong time of the disease.

Your maybe half right on this account. People can harbor the virus and spread disease for ten days after infection. Not all but some. When patients become clinically sick enough for hospitalization we are dealing with two problems. One is the virus and the damage it can cause. Another is the cytokine storm associated with the immunologic response. Because of the second we have to treat the first. Problem is there seems to be quite a variation in both problems. We are learning and outcomes are improving as a result. Example is the extraordinary lengths intensivists are going to to keep people off ventilators. As a medical professional is is really frustrating managing some of these patients. Some do well despite us. Some do poorly despite heroic efforts. ICU nurses are beyond burned out.

If the disease wasn’t enough, you fight an up hill battle because most of the sickest patients are unvaccinated, and many of the very issues playing out on this board complicate ongoing efforts. Imagine if you were trying to help the people in Kentucky after the tornado, and they kept thwarting your efforts because they believed Bill Gates was controlling the weather, and and caused the tornado so he could bug their house.

 

[notredomer23]

In 2020 there were 0 vaccinated Americans.

In 2021 there are over 200,000,000 fully vaccinated Americans.

More Americans died of COVID in 2021 than 2020.

Yep, it’s a real shame we have a tool that all but stops death in 98% of cases but some people would rather drink iodine and saline bc they heard on some podcast it might prevent COVID.

 

[ND-North]

In 2020 there were 0 vaccinated Americans.

In 2021 there are over 200,000,000 fully vaccinated Americans.

More Americans died of COVID in 2021 than 2020.

I can tell you from first hand experience that the people in the ICU on ECMO are unvaccinated in my institution (with the rare exception of those on high dose immunosuppression). Get vaccinated.

 

[ND-North]

By the way, you all do realize the new pill coming to market by is it Merck or Pfizer is "green pilled" ivermectin.

That's not true. Ivermectin is not an antiviral drug. Ivermectin has some anti-viral properties in a test tube but for it to be effective against covid in the human body it would require fatal doses of ivermectin (which is why it is not effective against covid in real life trials). The new COVID pill capitalizes on that anti-viral property that ivermectin has, purified it and made it safe for human consumption (at least based on the preliminary data coming out). It is a completely novel drug and it is not ivermectin.