'19 CA ATH Isaiah Foskey (Notre Dame Signee)

[Crazy Balki]

And it begins....dang

Refer to list above.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Refer to list above.

I know. It doesn't matter. If he gets a day 2 grade or better he gone. No matter how many pass rushers are in a draft class they will always get pushed higher than they should get drafted. Example is Jayson Oweh...

 

[Dale]

I know. It doesn't matter. If he gets a day 2 grade or better he gone. No matter how many pass rushers are in a draft class they will always get pushed higher than they should get drafted. Example is Jayson Oweh...

Oweh and Foskey are somewhat opposite ends and not sure if that proves the point. This convo has begun based off production. Oweh had none but had a high grade. If Foskey gets a high grade on top or production then great for him. But there’s a equal chance those with much lower production, like a Oweh, grade out higher than Foskey, an incentive for him to then stay

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Oweh and Foskey are somewhat opposite ends and not sure if that proves the point. This convo has begun based off production. Oweh had none but had a high grade. If Foskey gets a high grade on top or production then great for him. But there’s a equal chance those with much lower production, like a Oweh, grade out higher than Foskey, an incentive for him to then stay

My point was that pass rushers get pushed higher in the draft than where they actually should go. And Jayson Oweh is a prime example of that. Which intern means Foskey and all the other pass rushers in the draft will go higher than where they are graded out.

 

[Dale]

My point was that pass rushers get pushed higher in the draft than where they actually should go. And Jayson Oweh is a prime example of that. Which intern means Foskey and all the other pass rushers in the draft will go higher than where they are graded out.

I get the point trying to make but again Oweh I don’t think went higher than projected by NFL people and not higher than he should go. He went higher than the public expected because of his PSU production.

 

[ulukinatme]

And it begins....dang

I need to buy a lottery ticket this week or somethin'. I hope he comes back next year, but a lot can happen in 5 games to draft stock both good and bad.

 

[Crazy Balki]

My point was that pass rushers get pushed higher in the draft than where they actually should go. And Jayson Oweh is a prime example of that. Which intern means Foskey and all the other pass rushers in the draft will go higher than where they are graded out.

Oweh was a generational athlete who put up some of the most gaudy combine numbers in the history of the combine. He was taken based almost entirely on his athletic traits. Foskey is a good athlete mind you, but he isn't Oweh levels of athletic.

Pass rushers do end up being prioritized in the draft, but again, this class is far more saturated in top-flight ends, which means that Foskey could very well end up being taken lower than he would in a typical year, not higher. It's not like last year, where there was about a half dozen desirable edge prospects to take in the first two rounds.

At the end of the day, teams who need edge rushers will be selecting from a far larger pool of talent this year than they have in recent years, so it's very possible that Foskey is lost in the shuffle as guys with similar ceilings or higher who were known commodities prior to Foskey emerging, remain at the top of the board.

 

[Irish#1]

Teams will always overreach for end rushers. Colts took Paye at #21 and his production wasn't there in college. Ballard is banking on his potential.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Teams will always overreach for end rushers. Colts took Paye at #21 and his production wasn't there in college. Ballard is banking on his potential.

Because last year was the weakest year at Edge in quite some time. Balki actually is right that this is seen as a strong year at Edge, with a lot of guys who've had production before this year too.

 

[Irish#1]

I also wonder if the advisory board takes into account the rest of the edge rushers in the class. He could grade out as a first round pick, but so could 6 other guys (guessing) and he could get pushed.

I'm pretty sure they do.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Teams will always overreach for end rushers. Colts took Paye at #21 and his production wasn't there in college. Ballard is banking on his potential.

Yep. Rashan Gary 11th overall to the Packers a few years ago, too. He is finally starting to produce, though. The athleticism and effort has always been there.

 

[dublinirish]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1458183977584324609?s=20[/TWEET]

not what you want to hear if you had designs on foskey returning to ND in 2022..

 

[Dale]

not what you want to hear if you had designs on foskey returning to ND in 2022..

Why? That’s a reflection of the QB class and top top of the board (Parsons, Sewell etc vs Thibodeaux) which Foskey is neither

 

[rtrn2glory]

Foskey is gone.....we just need to accept it. He's a top 50 overall talent that's draft eligible, and probably at worst a 3rd rounder. Hopefully, finishes the year well and tests well and sneaks in the first round.

 

[dublinirish]

Why? That’s a reflection of the QB class and top top of the board (Parsons, Sewell etc vs Thibodeaux) which Foskey is neither

trickle down effect. in general the 2022 draft class is weaker and thus more underclassmen are likely to declare. Foskey might have been a 3rd rounder in the 2021 class but maybe a high 2nd rounder in 2022 is my point

 

[Crazy Balki]

trickle down effect. in general the 2022 draft class is weaker and thus more underclassmen are likely to declare. Foskey might have been a 3rd rounder in the 2021 class but maybe a high 2nd rounder in 2022 is my point

Could not disagree more.

This is the strongest DE class we've seen in a long time.

Foskey, with this kind of performance, is pushing into the 1st or high 2nd in 2021. This year, he's probably backed up into the 3rd, because there are other big names who have more consistent production over multiple seasons.

 

[ulukinatme]

If he's gone, I want the record to show I called it two weeks ago...and I'm not happy.

 

[NDdomer2]

kiper has foskey as the #7 OLB

 

[EvilleIrish]

I'm thinking he might be playing himself into an early entry NFL draft pick.

 

[irishff1014]

Foskey like others that have played here recently have never ending motors. You might have a little bit more talent then them but you won’t out play them.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm thinking he might be playing himself into an early entry NFL draft pick.

I've largely stayed out of this debate but he's a 6'5 260 prototype "Edge" who's a former HS and P5 offered TE (excellent movement skills) that now has 9 sacks, 8.5 TFL's, and 5 FF's in his last 11 games. All while not being on the LOS a fairly significant amount of time. Smart NFL money will take notice of that.

He's a lock for the top 100. He's a lock for a 1M signing bonus and a 5M contract. That's really hard to say no too for a guy that probably has a lot of confidence in his process.

 

[Riddickulous]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1462833643789983751[/TWEET]

 

[EvilleIrish]

I've largely stayed out of this debate but he's a 6'5 260 prototype "Edge" who's a former HS and P5 offered TE (excellent movement skills) that now has 9 sacks, 8.5 TFL's, and 5 FF's in his last 11 games. All while not being on the LOS a fairly significant amount of time. Smart NFL money will take notice of that.

He's a lock for the top 100. He's a lock for a 1M signing bonus and a 5M contract. That's really hard to say no too for a guy that probably has a lot of confidence in his process.

I wonder if the ND angle with him is to convince him that he could be a for sure first rounder next year?

 

[Crazy Balki]

The Anderson situation makes ND's chances of keeping Foskey for his 4th year less likely.

 

[NDPhilly]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1462833643789983751[/TWEET]

Has to be an awkward conversation for Kelly and the Foskey family i'd imagine. No one has more to gain from Isaiah coming back than him lol.

 

[CanadalovesND]

The Anderson situation makes ND's chances of keeping Foskey for his 4th year less likely.

Adam Anderson? How?...

Is Foskey planning to be caught up in a sexual assault allegation?

 

[Dale]

Adam Anderson? How?...

Is Foskey planning to be caught up in a sexual assault allegation?

I assume the implication being Anderson would have clearly gone before Foskey and now will not.

 

[CanadalovesND]

I assume the implication being Anderson would have clearly gone before Foskey and now will not.

It's a pretty piss poor implication.

 

[Dale]

It's a pretty piss poor implication.

How? I don’t want to put “piss poor” implications in Balki’s mouth but Anderson was a possible first rounder. Now probably isn’t.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Anderson was a guy who was definitely going to be taken before Foskey. That's a name out of the way for Foskey and increases his chances to be taken earlier.