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I also pretty much despise his handling of the 2020 election. FWIW

I think the swamp got him - very small number of people he could actually trust. Vast majority on both sides and all government institutions were fighting him, just not all were upfront about it. I think it is a defensible theory that the CDC and China unleashed a virus to hamstring Trump.

But the election is a political move - not a government policy. So again - outside of politics and rhetoric, things that actually matter, very little to be upset with, IMO. Yet he is still demonized as a fascist Russian agent somehow.
 

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If you're a republican - "infrastructure week", lack of meaningful health care change, spending habits, "Mexico will pay for the wall", inability to keep senate in line ex. Ben Sasse repeatedly embarrassing him and having senators from his own party vote to impeach.

If you're a liberal - just about everything.

If you're a republican I can see how you would rate his presidency better than GWB. No stupid wars entered into and strong economy.
 

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If you're a republican - "infrastructure week", lack of meaningful health care change, spending habits, "Mexico will pay for the wall", inability to keep senate in line ex. Ben Sasse repeatedly embarrassing him and having senators from his own party vote to impeach.

If you're a liberal - just about everything.

If you're a republican I can see how you would rate his presidency better than GWB. No stupid wars entered into and strong economy.

I don't think very many people give a shit what Ben Sasse, Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney think about anything outside of liberals trying to own Rs - that also falls within the politics/rhetoric and not results section.

How do you blame Trump for failing to unfuck Obamacare? He got it to the floor and the establishment Rs let him down. He can only sign what is put on his desk.

Don't care if Mexico paid for the wall or not so that weak whine holds no water with me - he built a bunch of it and put the long overdue focus on legal immigration and controlling the border. You must be super trolling to bring up the border with what Biden has done down there. SMH
 

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I think the swamp got him - very small number of people he could actually trust. Vast majority on both sides and all government institutions were fighting him, just not all were upfront about it. I think it is a defensible theory that the CDC and China unleashed a virus to hamstring Trump.

But the election is a political move - not a government policy. So again - outside of politics and rhetoric, things that actually matter, very little to be upset with, IMO. Yet he is still demonized as a fascist Russian agent somehow.

Nothing fries my dough like people conflating fascism and communism.

Really, the knuckledragging mouth breathers who talk about "Hitler and the commies"...should both pay for the air they breathe and then start going back to school.........
 

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Once again, this is Fascism, from a guy who taught it and then practiced it...

.https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp


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Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) over the course of his lifetime went from Socialism - he was editor of Avanti, a socialist newspaper - to the leadership of a new political movement called "fascism" [after "fasces", the symbol of bound sticks used a totem of power in ancient Rome].

Mussolini came to power after the "March on Rome" in 1922, and was appointed Prime Minister by King Victor Emmanuel.

In 1932 Mussolini wrote (with the help of Giovanni Gentile) and entry for the Italian Encyclopedia on the definition of fascism.


Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death....

...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after...

...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur[d] conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress....

...iven that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State....

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State....

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

...For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and died for it.

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If you're a republican - "infrastructure week", lack of meaningful health care change, spending habits, "Mexico will pay for the wall", inability to keep senate in line ex. Ben Sasse repeatedly embarrassing him and having senators from his own party vote to impeach.

If you're a liberal - just about everything.

If you're a republican I can see how you would rate his presidency better than GWB. No stupid wars entered into and strong economy.

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I don't think very many people give a shit what Ben Sasse, Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney think about anything outside of liberals trying to own Rs - that also falls within the politics/rhetoric and not results section.

How do you blame Trump for failing to unfuck Obamacare? He got it to the floor and the establishment Rs let him down. He can only sign what is put on his desk.

Don't care if Mexico paid for the wall or not so that weak whine holds no water with me - he built a bunch of it and put the long overdue focus on legal immigration and controlling the border. You must be super trolling to bring up the border with what Biden has done down there. SMH

Lets not forget that the USMCA trade deal has increased GDP by $68 billion. Mexico doesn't know it, but they're helping to finance the wall all the same. It is funny that Biden has backtracked on his campaign statements regarding the border though, in addition to sending Kamala to Central America to say "Do not come." Oops.
 

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for today's quiz, before (Wiscy Penn State kick off)

Guess the person, from a famous author’s clues!



CLUE #1

“His father made a great success of life, but the son began by making a mess of his life.”



CLUE #2

“For the rest, he remained the typical half-educated man all his life-one who always knew better and tossed about picked-up pieces of half—knowledge and wrong knowledge, preferably before an audience whom he could impress by doing so because it knew nothing at all. His table talk testifies to his educational gaps in an embarassing manner”



CLUE #3

“It was the first political office he held; viewed from a professional point of view he was a strange officeholder: he left the capital whenever he chose, read or did not read documents as and when he pleased .”



CLUE #4

“He lacks something else. There is no development, no maturing in his character and personality. His character was fixed at an early age—perhaps a better word would be arrested-and remains astonishingly consistent; nothing was added to it. It was not an attractive character. His positive characteristics-resolution, boldness, courage, perseverance—lie all on the “hard” side. Then negative ones even more so: ruthlessness, vindictiveness, faithlessness and cruelty. Added to these, moreover, from the very start, was a tot.al lack of capacity for self-cri.ticism. All his life, he’s been exceedingly full of himself and from his earliest day, tended to self-conceit.”



CLUE #5



“His ability to transform rallies of the most varied individuals-the bigger and more motley the better-into a homogeneous pliable mass, to put that mass first into a kind of trance and then to give it something like a collective orgasm, is well known. It was based not so much on his skill as a speaker-his speeches got going slowly and hesitantly, they had little logical structure and at times barely a clear content; moreover, they were delivered in a hoarse, rough, guttural voice-as on a hypnotic ability, the ability of a concentrated willpower to gain control of a collective subconc.ious wherever it made itself available and at any time.”



CLUE #6

AN author voiced the opinion of many when he wrote:

“the man does not really exist-he is only the noise he makes.”



CLUE #7

“He had deliberately brought about a state of affairs in which the most various autonomous authorities were ranged alongside and against one another, without defined boundaries, in competition, and overlapping—and only he himself was at the head of all of them. Only thus was he able to secure for himself the completely unrestricted freedom of action which he intended to have in all directions.

He did not wish to be the first servant of the state organism, but rather an absolute master. He perceives correctly that absolute rule is not possible in an intact state organism, but only amidst controlled chaos. That was why, from the outset, he replaced the state. By chaos.”



Think you got It? How many clues did it take?



Well, check your hole card. The book is not of the recent vintage,

But was written in 1978 about a guy who committed suicide in 1945.



“The meaning of Hitler”

Sebastian Haffner



Of course, that was Germany, that could never happen here, right?
 

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Turley's analysis of the Milley situation.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1438496583876816896[/TWEET]
 

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Weird to see this stuff moving forward to an indictment. This takes me back to all of the walls closing in posts from this thread.
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1286625544604463104?s=20[/TWEET]
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1438648955584360448?s=20[/TWEET]
 

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Weird to see this stuff moving forward to an indictment. This takes me back to all of the walls closing in posts from this thread.

Good grief! I remember a couple of people here telling us just about every day, "This is it! This is the smoking gun! Got him!" and the rest of us thinking, "How the hell can you be this gullible???" It was always a totally fake story and that fact was obvious to most of us, even many of those on the Left. They WANTED it to be true, but knew it wasn't. It was never anything other than a ridiculous ploy to deflect and smear in order to rope in the willfully ignorant.
 

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Weird to see this stuff moving forward to an indictment. This takes me back to all of the walls closing in posts from this thread.
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1286625544604463104?s=20[/TWEET]
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1438648955584360448?s=20[/TWEET]

I'm sorry, but I was told some time ago that the hammer was coming down on Trump over this Russia stuff.
 

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So Trump was right about the Russia hoax, he was right about bounty gate being a hoax, he was right about getting vaccinations by the end of 2020, he was right on the border and immigration, he didn't clear the park for a "photo op," he obviously was right about fake news...need some help with a running list here, I can't remember half the stuff they tried to throw at him that turned out bogus or wrong.
 

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[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1441055352825565186?s=20[/TWEET]
 

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If you were hell bent that Trump and Russia were in cahoots (Steele dossier was legit), you might want to rethink. Very interesting article on how it was put together and how Hillary and her campaign funded it.

The Steele dossier: A reckoning

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/steele-dossier-reckoning/index.html

I'm still astounded that ANYONE with more than three brain cells ever thought that story was legit. From the beginning it had all the tell-tale signs of a smear job and had more hole in it than a screen door. You had to be intentionally dishonest, willfully ignorant, or just painfully gullible to claim it was legit or even plausible.
 

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I'm still astounded that ANYONE with more than three brain cells ever thought that story was legit. From the beginning it had all the tell-tale signs of a smear job and had more hole in it than a screen door. You had to be intentionally dishonest, willfully ignorant, or just painfully gullible to claim it was legit or even plausible.

Everything was a smear campaign. Hillary successfully smeared Tulsi Gabbard too as a Russian plant after Tulsi exposed Kamala's past and ruined her campaign. Tulsi was one of the level headed ones in the Democratic primary, it's disgusting. It's the unfortunate bullshit of politics. The Russian bounty story turned out to be a hoax that was debunked by intelligence. So was the story about Trump's comments on Veteran's Day. They were wrong when they said he wouldn't get a vaccine by the end of 2020, and Kamala was the first to float the idea of not trusting it. That's not even the half of it. Politicians are always using dirt to try and bring a candidate down, but never before was so much fabricated to try and bring down one guy. In the end it took a pandemic to ruin his bid, because everything else they tried had failed.
 

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I never voted for Trump but I sure as hell didn’t vote for Hillary or Biden either. I’m still amazed at the mindfuck Trump put on corporate media. They still have PTSD about him yet they can’t get enough of him. He’s like heroin to them. I always knew corp media was biased but never to the point of obsession. Trump changed that. He’s the best & worst that ever happened to them.
 

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I never voted for Trump but I sure as hell didn’t vote for Hillary or Biden either. I’m still amazed at the mindfuck Trump put on corporate media. They still have PTSD about him yet they can’t get enough of him. He’s like heroin to them. I always knew corp media was biased but never to the point of obsession. Trump changed that. He’s the best & worst that ever happened to them.

Rent free since 2016. It was mentioned in the 2016 campaign how much free press he got because the media wouldn't shut up about him. Gotta wonder if/when it ends if he ends up running again and pulls out a win. One year later and a day doesn't go by that they don't mention him.
 

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I'm still astounded that ANYONE with more than three brain cells ever thought that story was legit. From the beginning it had all the tell-tale signs of a smear job and had more hole in it than a screen door. You had to be intentionally dishonest, willfully ignorant, or just painfully gullible to claim it was legit or even plausible.

I’m still astounded that Schiff and Swalwell will suffer zero consequences after using their position to spread deliberate misinformation about this for years.
 

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I’m still astounded that Schiff and Swalwell will suffer zero consequences after using their position to spread deliberate misinformation about this for years.

Banging Chinese spy and still on the intelligence committee - only thing more disgraceful than Swalwell is the fact Republicans refuse to make an example of him.
 

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I never voted for Trump but I sure as hell didn’t vote for Hillary or Biden either. I’m still amazed at the mindfuck Trump put on corporate media. They still have PTSD about him yet they can’t get enough of him. He’s like heroin to them. I always knew corp media was biased but never to the point of obsession. Trump changed that. He’s the best & worst that ever happened to them.

lol..........When you go to cnn.com and everyday there are four or five articles on Trump, you know he's gotten to them.
 

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Looks like Trump was right.

Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign paid an internet company to access servers at Trump Tower and the White House in a search for links between Donald Trump and Russia, a US special prosecutor has suggested.

The Clinton campaign was effectively accused of spying by John Durham, a lawyer investigating the origins of the Russia inquiry which dogged the first half of the Trump presidency.
 

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Looks like Trump was right.

Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign paid an internet company to access servers at Trump Tower and the White House in a search for links between Donald Trump and Russia, a US special prosecutor has suggested.

The Clinton campaign was effectively accused of spying by John Durham, a lawyer investigating the origins of the Russia inquiry which dogged the first half of the Trump presidency.

Yup, add it to the list of other hoaxes and contentious debates perpetrated by politicians and the media to disrupt his Presidency: the Russian bounty hoax, the timeline for the vaccine, Lafayette Square wasn't cleared for a photo op, the southern border was a problem, the Memorial Day comments were bogus, and he was right about the virus originating from a lab in China after the cover up was found. I've lost track of the rest.

He was probably right that Biden is just a puppet while his team or people are pulling the strings behind the scene, but I doubt that will ever get proven. In the few interviews he does he just doesn't seem with it all the time and his handlers often are quick to pull the plug if things are ugly.
 
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Tax firm Mazars fires Trump Organization as client, says former president's financial statements are unreliable

This is un-good. No CPA firm tattles on itself like this unless they face significant penalties which are a fraction of the total fines/charges to come.

If an audit/review was done the firm likely has evidence of representations of management made to support estimates made of property values, if so, that would make it easy to follow the trail of whether that representation constitutes criminal levels of fraud/misrepresentation. At the very minimum a management letter stating that all representations given by management have been truthful would have been signed by someone at the very top of the Trump org. If it was just a non-assurance engagement then criminality would be harder to prove but if the accounting framework doesn't follow GAAP there is still a possibility of criminal charges.

IRS does not playball with materiality concepts so it doesn't matter the level of assurance given, any sort of misrepresentation will subject to fines/criminal charges.
 

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I saw something about that earlier today. Palmer Report said he's as good as toast now, which means nothing will probably come of it in the end. It's hard to know when the hammer actually comes down on Trump when it comes to these reports.
 

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Tax firm Mazars fires Trump Organization as client, says former president's financial statements are unreliable

This is un-good. No CPA firm tattles on itself like this unless they face significant penalties which are a fraction of the total fines/charges to come.

If an audit/review was done the firm likely has evidence of representations of management made to support estimates made of property values, if so, that would make it easy to follow the trail of whether that representation constitutes criminal levels of fraud/misrepresentation. At the very minimum a management letter stating that all representations given by management have been truthful would have been signed by someone at the very top of the Trump org. If it was just a non-assurance engagement then criminality would be harder to prove but if the accounting framework doesn't follow GAAP there is still a possibility of criminal charges.

IRS does not playball with materiality concepts so it doesn't matter the level of assurance given, any sort of misrepresentation will subject to fines/criminal charges.

Trying to get out ahead of this to minimize the potential damage. Really curious how a firm compiles records, then comes out and says "Oh wait a minute", unless someone at Mazars might have been getting a nice present for Christmas every year.
 

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Trying to get out ahead of this to minimize the potential damage. Really curious how a firm compiles records, then comes out and says "Oh wait a minute", unless someone at Mazars might have been getting a nice present for Christmas every year.
Depending on the level on assurance provided, you rely on what the client provides you. If it was a review engagement (based on the language in the letter it looks like it could have been) then you're ok using the clients responses as supporting the valuation of the real estate assets. If it was an audit, then whoever the third party was that provided the valuation services of the properties would also be implicated in this. If it was Deutsche Bank that provided a valuation report on the properties then the accountant is off the hook since it was sufficient audit evidence and the liability should transfer to them in misleading the users of the financial statements. The only way the liability should be with the CPA's is if they had evidence in their possession that showed that the values from the Trump Org were fraudulently inflated and they went along with it.
 

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I don’t think Mazer’s ever provided Trump Org audited financials. Just financials. Why the banks didn’t require audits is a mystery to me.

Of course the post Deutsch Bank who made the loans are all former DB employees

Not being audits probably will allow Mazer’s to keep their accounting license but their business, if they have any beyond Trump, must be severely damaged by this news
 
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