We tackle like ****, so Freeman must quit

[BobbyMac]

Rebuild year using a lot of guys that he wouldn't recruit.

If he makes it to year 3, you'll see what Cincy's D would look like with 4 & 5*'s instead of hand picked low 3's.

 

[irishff1014]

Rebuild year using a lot of guys that he wouldn't recruit.

If he makes it to year 3, you'll see what Cincy's D would look like with 4 & 5*'s instead of hand picked low 3's.

He can't even teach tackling. That's a basic.

 

[GoldenAura]

Rebuild year using a lot of guys that he wouldn't recruit.

If he makes it to year 3, you'll see what Cincy's D would look like with 4 & 5*'s instead of hand picked low 3's.

Or Luke Fickell is the real reason Cincy's defense has been successful.

 

[AvesEvo]

Rebuild year using a lot of guys that he wouldn't recruit.

If he makes it to year 3, you'll see what Cincy's D would look like with 4 & 5*'s instead of hand picked low 3's.

Not his guys has nothing to do with tackling. What I don't understand is why they could tackle last year, but not this year.

 

[ND88]

Not his guys has nothing to do with tackling. What I don't understand is why they could tackle last year, but not this year.

Lea stressed that Wu philosophy.

 

[ulukinatme]

This defense has enough talent to stop the likes of UNC from racking up 600 yards of offense . The coaches are to blame here.

 

[NDFAN420]

I'd like to see what his D looks like once the LB's get here.

 

[BobbyMac]

Remember guys... hot takes are forever, time-stamped & easily retrievable here on Irish Envy. They don't disappear into the ether like the paid sites.

Shooting 3's in a half court, motion offense is a lot easier than shooting the same 3's in Paul Westhead's system.

Freeman's D will be fine as his guys develop in it.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'd like to see what his D looks like once the LB's get here.

Good take for a mill rat.

 

[ulukinatme]

Remember guys... hot takes are forever, time-stamped & easily retrievable here on Irish Envy. They don't disappear into the ether like the paid sites.

Shooting 3's in a half court, motion offense is a lot easier than shooting the same 3's in Paul Westhead's system.

Freeman's D will be fine as his guys develop in it.

You're probably right, but the missed tackles aren't a scheme thing. Those are poor fundamentals.

 

[BobbyMac]

You're probably right, but the missed tackles aren't a scheme thing. Those are poor fundamentals.

Fundamentals break down at speed. That's the problem I believe.

The Lea guys that come back will be MUCH better in year two of the Freeman Experience.

Just get me to 2023 & '24

 

[ulukinatme]

Fundamentals break down at speed. That's the problem I believe.

The Lea guys that come back will be MUCH better in year two of the Freeman Experience.

Just get me to 2023 & '24

For all our sakes I hope you're right. I'm not holding my breath though. I would have expected us to get better as the season goes on, but I'm not seeing it.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I think 2 things can be true:

Lea is a better developer of talent (see Coney, Tranq, Bilal, Wu, and of course Drew White)

Freeman is a better recruiter, though perhaps not as good at developing talent. They're different skills.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think 2 things can be true:

Lea is a better developer of talent (see Coney, Tranq, Bilal, Wu, and of course Drew White)

Freeman is a better recruiter, though perhaps not as good at developing talent. They're different skills.

I'll take the developer 9 times out of 10. Talent doesn't always pan out. Guys that can develop can win with table scraps. Look at Michigan State during their good years.

 

[BobbyMac]

I think 2 things can be true:

Lea is a better developer of talent (see Coney, Tranq, Bilal, Wu, and of course Drew White)

Freeman is a better recruiter, though perhaps not as good at developing talent. They're different skills.

I don't know... Freeman took 2 & 3 stars and maybe some no stars and went toe to toe with UGA.

The Freeman doubt reminds me of the Quinn doubt. Why can't they do it here with their guys? They've done it at other places before with less

Once agian, enjoy the 11 win rebuild year... they're as common as 6 legged unicorns.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I think 2 things can be true:

Lea is a better developer of talent (see Coney, Tranq, Bilal, Wu, and of course Drew White)

Freeman is a better recruiter, though perhaps not as good at developing talent. They're different skills.

Definitely premature.

Freeman has been here for about 10 months. That's not a lot of time to implement an entirely new system and get everybody on board.

I think we underestimated the drastic transition of the defensive schemes and players are struggling to adjust to it.

It'd be nice if Freeman could adjust to his personnel, but I won't lose sleep over it unless it's like this next year.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'll take the developer 9 times out of 10. Talent doesn't always pan out. Guys that can develop can win with table scraps. Look at Michigan State during their good years.

This used to be me but the metrics say the best you can do with scraps is win... while wining it all takes lots of 4.75 - 5 stars and elite QB play.

Jimmy's & Joe's > X's & O's.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I don't know... Freeman took 2 & 3 stars and maybe some no stars and went toe to toe with UGA.

The Freeman doubt reminds me of the Quinn doubt. Why can't they do it here with their guys? They've done it at other places before with less

Once agian, enjoy the 11 win rebuild year... they're as common as 6 legged unicorns.

Oh I'm not saying that Freeman is doing a worse job. The 2 skills I mentioned are the 2 variables of an equation. Better players leads to better defense, but so does better development. Could Lea have done a better job with this defense? Maybe. But would Freeman do a better job with his defense in 3 years? I think it's likely.

 

[ulukinatme]

This used to be me but the metrics say the best you can do with scraps is win... while wining it all takes lots of 4.75 - 5 stars and elite QB play.

Jimmy's & Joe's > X's & O's.

In reality you need both, but anymore I seriously doubt ND can get enough talent to realistically beat a true playoff team. In our heyday when we had talent knocking down our doors and Vinny Cerrato was using every genius recruiting trick in the book to stack the deck (Before the NCAA effectively ruined our advantage) we were the gold standard. Realistically I just don't think we can expect to win the whole thing when we're handicapping ourselves and the top 5 football factories are all in.

 

[SBirishlawyer]

How concerned should I be that we have played freshman all over the field but not the secondary when the secondary is one of our weaknesses and many of those freshman db’s were pretty highly thought of

 

[SBirishlawyer]

Granted the kid from crown point or merrilville is hurt and maybe with his speed and hips was most likely to get in as a back up nickel

 

[BeatSC]

Bottom line the defense stunk it up. High completion % for NC and their QB was making our D line look utterly inept. Soft tackling all night. Foskey won’t be leaving early and neither will anyone else on this team not named Hamilton in defense. We don’t need to worry about anyone trying to hire Freeman away from us.

 

[IrishBoognish]

yall are dumb


thats what I have to say.

 

[pumpdog20]

I have faith this thread is going to be the reverse BVG is a Gangsta one.

I think the lack of tackling is due to being out of position, which I assume more time with Freeman will clean up.

As far as all the missed tackles on Howe, Foskey said Howe was tough to tackle last year. Then he got bigger and faster.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Howell on our team would have us undefeated. I was really impressed with him. Best player we've played against all year.

 

[Irish#1]

We shouldn’t have to wait 3 years for Freeman’s D. I expected some growing pains this year, but there should be measurable improvement next year.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I don't know... Freeman took 2 & 3 stars and maybe some no stars and went toe to toe with UGA.

The Freeman doubt reminds me of the Quinn doubt. Why can't they do it here with their guys? They've done it at other places before with less

Once agian, enjoy the 11 win rebuild year... they're as common as 6 legged unicorns.

Exactly. Cincinnati has two potential first round picks on their defense that Freeman developed. Give the man a little time.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

People complaining about not shutting down Howell?
Do they forget there was talk of him being the number 1 pick in the draft before the season started?
He hasn't had a great season, but that doesn't mean he isn't a top player.
He looks like Kyler Murray out there.

 

[NDdomer2]

Something else I wonder the impact on the Defense - When the coaching staff made the full time move to uptempo offense there had to be some talk about the subsequent consequence of the defense being on the field more frequently.

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[Rizzophil]

Plus we have no backup lb’s. They are all hurt