Offensive Line Thread

[Irish#1]

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Some interesting feedback from Aaron Taylor here.

I don't know why, but I have a feeling the O-line is going to hold up pretty well tomorrow.

 

[irishff1014]

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Some interesting feedback from Aaron Taylor here.

this is well worth the listen. Thanks for posting it lax.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I don't know why, but I have a feeling the O-line is going to hold up pretty well tomorrow.

I had a similar feeling. and we are probably going to be dead wrong lol, but I just have this gut feeling that the OL has had enough of the criticism and they show up.

Not on the same level that we've grown accustomed to the past few years, but they'll have the best game of the season, I think.

 

[DONTH8]

I had a similar feeling. and we are probably going to be dead wrong lol, but I just have this gut feeling that the OL has had enough of the criticism and they show up.

Not on the same level that we've grown accustomed to the past few years, but they'll have the best game of the season, I think.

I think they have gotten better each game. Obviously Wisconsin looks bad, but their front 7 is really good. With Carmody coming back, I think you are right that they will be better.

 

[Free Manera]

The interior of Cincy's D line is supposedly their weak spot. With Carmody back, I have a glimmer of hope that we actually get surprised here and WHAT?! ND pounds it for 150 yards rushing, including a game ending 6:00 drive ending with a knee at the 4 yard line.

 

[Crazy Balki]

For a team that has a reputation for creating havoc and getting sacks, they really haven't done that so far.

Wisconsin had a higher sack percentage going into the ND game than Cincinnati had. Wisconsin was sitting at over 7% while Cincy was just over 4%.

ND rose that number to be sure, but I think Wisconsin has a better pass rush than people are willing to admit. Cincinnati can creating some havoc, but they also can be run on and you can gameplan around them to move the ball, as Indiana did. It just comes down to executing and not making horrible mistakes that cost you points. Indiana missed out on several scoring opportunities because of really poor turnovers.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Indiana essentially gave that game over to Cincinnati with 3 INTs, giving up a 99 yard kick return TD and I believe at least one costly fumble (not positive on the fumble but that’s what my memory is telling me).

 

[Crazy Balki]

Indiana essentially gave that game over to Cincinnati with 3 INTs, giving up a 99 yard kick return TD and I believe at least one costly fumble (not positive on the fumble but that’s what my memory is telling me).

Didn't help Indiana either that their best player and defensive captain was ejected for a bullsh*t targeting call.

And that same bullsh*t targeting call was on a play that would've been a three and out, with Cincy down 14-0 with only about 2 minutes left in the half. Instead, Cincy gets 15 yards, fresh downs and gets to try to score without having to deal with an All-Big Ten LB ruining their day.

 

[Wild Bill]

The interior of Cincy's D line is supposedly their weak spot. With Carmody back, I have a glimmer of hope that we actually get surprised here and WHAT?! ND pounds it for 150 yards rushing, including a game ending 6:00 drive ending with a knee at the 4 yard line.

Lol. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[BrownerandFry]

Well, time heals all wounds.

Remember, Alt just arrived in June
In Spring the roster will have two
third year players, Tosh Baker and Michael Carmondy
two second year players, Joe Alt and Blake fisher.

ALL FOUR STARS or BETTER,
.All big enough right now (even though Baker needs one more winter of Balis.

 

[tko]

Will Blake return this year if he's healthy or will he take a "redshirt" year?

 

[T-Boone]

Will Blake return this year if he's healthy or will he take a "redshirt" year?

I def think red shirt.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Will Blake return this year if he's healthy or will he take a "redshirt" year?

He can still participate in 3 more games and preserve it.

 

[NDisme]

Question then is who moves inside? I don’t see Alt or Tosh moving inside. Carmody is best fit inside out of the 4 tackles

 

[ND88]

Transfers are a concern. We have several VERY talented young guys we need to move forward with beyond this year. This should have Kelly up at night thinking of a new way to coach them up, but he is too stubborn for that. We need to protect the assets we already have. Make some moves, sir. Quinn has his talents. Keep him on as a recruiter.

 

[ulukinatme]

Transfers are a concern. We have several VERY talented young guys we need to move forward with beyond this year. This should have Kelly up at night thinking of a new way to coach them up, but he is too stubborn for that. We need to protect the assets we already have. Make some moves, sir. Quinn has his talents. Keep him on as a recruiter.

No way. Quinn is garbage.

 

[BrownerandFry]

No way. Quinn is garbage.

The truth is in the middle.

Quinn is not garbage.
nor is he adequate.

But my wager will be that he gets replaced this offseason and becomes a (well paid) football analyst AGAIN (which he was after he left Buffalo)

There was a MASSIVE TEL:L at the end of the Wisconsin game. Polian remained close to Kelly, and when the game ended and kelly had the record, Quinn came over to congratulate but there was no joy, no mutuality.

I think two things are true.
Kelly knows it is time to move on from Quinn.
Quinn is highly aware he will be replaced.

And the Kelly whisperer?

It is Polian.

 

[Rocket 94]

The truth is in the middle.

Quinn is not garbage.
nor is he adequate.

But my wager will be that he gets replaced this offseason and becomes a (well paid) football analyst AGAIN (which he was after he left Buffalo)

There was a MASSIVE TEL:L at the end of the Wisconsin game. Polian remained close to Kelly, and when the game ended and kelly had the record, Quinn came over to congratulate but there was no joy, no mutuality.

I think two things are true.
Kelly knows it is time to move on from Quinn.
Quinn is highly aware he will be replaced.

And the Kelly whisperer?

It is Polian.

Thought it was interesting in the II podcast today that the Tim's and Pete think Quinn will not be here next year. They said the same thing about Alexander too. I think Kelly has made up his mind too on Quinn and he will be reassigned in the offseason.

 

[ulukinatme]

Thought it was interesting in the II podcast today that the Tim's and Pete think Quinn will not be here next year. They said the same thing about Alexander too. I think Kelly has made up his mind too on Quinn and he will be reassigned in the offseason.

Those two position groups are certainly the weak links at this point. I thought Alexander should have been canned last year. Other than some bright spots in the first few games, we just aren't consistent at WR. We've struggled to develop the talent we have and they're not executing on the field.

I've never been sold on Quinn though. I think he's been living off Harry's gold and now the fortune is spent.

 

[irishtrain]

Watch this o line get better-BUT- the horses are so young and being ask to do a lot very quickly-these cycles happen in 1-2 years it will be Notre Dame normal again-until then they make Williams work his %^@ off to get 4 yards and with his total exertion on every single carry hold you breath on injury- if he goes down the o line looks even worse and they are hurting on wins- Williams is the key here and needs to be protected with better play.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Watch this o line get better-BUT- the horses are so young and being ask to do a lot very quickly-these cycles happen in 1-2 years it will be Notre Dame normal again-until then they make Williams work his %^@ off to get 4 yards and with his total exertion on every single carry hold you breath on injury- if he goes down the o line looks even worse and they are hurting on wins- Williams is the key here and needs to be protected with better play.

Holy Crap

 

[IrishLax]

Those two position groups are certainly the weak links at this point. I thought Alexander should have been canned last year. Other than some bright spots in the first few games, we just aren't consistent at WR. We've struggled to develop the talent we have and they're not executing on the field.

I've never been sold on Quinn though. I think he's been living off Harry's gold and now the fortune is spent.

This is what kills me, the lack of consistency. That to me is always a hallmark of poor coaching/preparation.

 

[Irish#1]

This is what kills me, the lack of consistency. That to me is always a hallmark of poor coaching/preparation.

BK mentioned it was fatigue for Austin. They aren't getting him enough rest during the first half to be fresher in the second half. Styles and Colzie should see the field more in the first half.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I don't think BK believes that... but pretending to will make it easier to give reps to the young guys.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Let's not get it twisted, Quinn has been adequate up until this year.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is using revisionist history. You don't get last year's elite line play with less than adequate coaching.

Hiestand landed guys like Banks, Eichenberg and Hainsey, but Quinn developed them. So he's certainly been at least adequate.

But we can do better than adequate, and this year's product is so wholly unacceptable that it's more than justifiable to explore potential better options.

That being said, if the decision were to be made, who would be some names to replace Quinn? Kelly needs to do his due diligence, because what he's putting his backs through is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[ulukinatme]

Let's not get it twisted, Quinn has been adequate up until this year.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is using revisionist history. You don't get last year's elite line play with less than adequate coaching.

Hiestand landed guys like Banks, Eichenberg and Hainsey, but Quinn developed them. So he's certainly been at least adequate.

But we can do better than adequate, and this year's product is so wholly unacceptable that it's more than justifiable to explore potential better options.

That being said, if the decision were to be made, who would be some names to replace Quinn? Kelly needs to do his due diligence, because what he's putting his backs through is absolutely ridiculous.

Not according to what we've been hearing now. Word is Harry's guys were going to him during the off season to get coached up. That's pretty telling on a lack of coaching ability on Quinn's part if it's true. If they really felt he was doing a good job wouldn't they go to their current OL coach if they felt they needed extra help?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Not according to what we've been hearing now. Word is Harry's guys were going to him during the off season to get coached up. That's pretty telling on a lack of coaching ability on Quinn's part if it's true. If they really felt he was doing a good job wouldn't they go to their current OL coach if they felt they needed extra help?

Players go to former mentors and coaches for guidance all the time during the offseason. It's a very common occurrence.

Quinn is still with those guys a lot longer and doing a lot more with them in terms of day-to-day operations. He's still the guy during practice, during film study, etc.

 

[ulukinatme]

Players go to former mentors and coaches for guidance all the time during the offseason. It's a very common occurrence.

Quinn is still with those guys a lot longer and doing a lot more with them in terms of day-to-day operations. He's still the guy during practice, during film study, etc.

They were going to him during the season too. How much extra time do you think college athletes have to be getting addition training from their former coach? It's amazing they spent any extra time seeking Harry out. Have you seen their daily itineraries?
Quinn deserves to get the axe.

 

[Free Manera]

BK mentioned it was fatigue for Austin. They aren't getting him enough rest during the first half to be fresher in the second half. Styles and Colzie should see the field more in the first half.

I heard that. He said Sauce Gardner's press coverage was exhausting and they should have rested him more. I'm not sure resting your #1 receiver is the answer, probably would be better to teach him how to beat press coverage. But he can't say that in a press conference.

I feel like there is no way Alexander is still around next year. You can virtually eliminate both Austin and Lenzy with press coverage. Yeah, Gardner is really good. Like first CB taken good. But Austin was removed from the game against Purdue in the same fashion. They have no idea what to do out there. Plus, the drops. Good lord the drops.

 

[ulukinatme]

I felt like the Austin answer was PC on Kelly's part to avoid saying something like "You have to make that play." In the past Kelly might have said that, but today he says it's on the coaches. Maybe both are true. All I know is our WR group has been disappointing the last two years. We've lost a bunch of talent to transfers, and the guys that are seeing the field are failing to regularly get open. The drops haven't been a good look either. Some of that is certainly coaching, but I think Austin needs to make that catch given the circumstances.