I dont care what anyone else has to say. Notre Dame IS a top 10 team right now. We have just as much talent as USC or Michigan, except that we have FAR BETTER coaching. Its just that our talent is unproven talent. But that doesnt matter because when the whistle blows on Sept. 1, its balls to the wall baby ! Zibby and Bruton are going to unleash HELL on opposing teams. Kuntz is gonna ROCK somebody's world. Whoever the QB is will pick the defense apart. Our O-Line is going to BULLDOZER over people paving the way for our awesome stable of RB's. Opponents are going to FEAR our special teams. You guys just sit back and watch. This team is going to light the field up not only offensively but also defensively.
ND = top 10 team NOW
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Your heart is in the right place, but I believe that your brain is in dream land! As much talent as USC ... from top-to-bottom not yet (another year or so). "Unproven talent", yes, too much inexperience and the depth is not there (YET)! Plus, ND does have a pretty stringent schedule!
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That's really some pie in the sky stuff. We lost virtually all our playmakers on offense, and you say whoever is QB is going to pick the other team's defense apart. Considering that we have no QB's with any real game experience, I think that is a more a wish than reality. Your suggestion that the offensive line is going to bulldoze everyone is similarly unfounded. If you haven't noticed, our offensive line has not led to an effective running game for quite some time.
As for the defense, I hope it will be improved. But after some of the defensive efforts I have seen over the last several years, I am going to wait and see how the defense does, before I start making wild predictions.
As for the defense, I hope it will be improved. But after some of the defensive efforts I have seen over the last several years, I am going to wait and see how the defense does, before I start making wild predictions.
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Clearly optimism is in the air. As an optimist (dreamer), every year at this time I wish for an undefeated season...
At times I allow the intellect to get the better of me. But for the most part, I still have hopes for the upcoming season. A bit of patience, learning, growing and a lot of heart could see us to a very respectable season. Should we make some adjustments and take our detractors by storm, here is my predition, more or less...IMO.
10 - 2 I feel that optimism would/could bring us 11 - 1
Sept 1 Georgia Tech Win. Opening game at home...oh yeah!
Sept 8 @ Penn St Win. Joe Pa's final season.
Sept 15 @ Michigan Loss. Will gauge the 3-4 here.
Sept 22 Michigan St Win. We will distance ourselves in class.
Sept 29 @ Purdue Win. Will work hard for this one.
Oct 6 @UCLA Win. Bruins ready to take PAC 10
Oct 13 Boston College Win. South Bend also inspires visitors.
Oct 20 USC Toss. We are ready!!! No free ride for SC.
Nov 3 Navy Win. Guard against emotions from last week.
Nov 10 Air Force Win. Air Force is class of the bunch.
Nov 17 Duke Win. Hoping North Carolina is watching. Your loss Greg Little.
Nov 24 @ Stanford Win. BSC Committee...here come the Irish!!!
No one ever said I was an expert, myself included. I am without a doubt...a fan first! It's why I am here (at Irish Envy) in the first place.
At times I allow the intellect to get the better of me. But for the most part, I still have hopes for the upcoming season. A bit of patience, learning, growing and a lot of heart could see us to a very respectable season. Should we make some adjustments and take our detractors by storm, here is my predition, more or less...IMO.
10 - 2 I feel that optimism would/could bring us 11 - 1
Sept 1 Georgia Tech Win. Opening game at home...oh yeah!
Sept 8 @ Penn St Win. Joe Pa's final season.
Sept 15 @ Michigan Loss. Will gauge the 3-4 here.
Sept 22 Michigan St Win. We will distance ourselves in class.
Sept 29 @ Purdue Win. Will work hard for this one.
Oct 6 @UCLA Win. Bruins ready to take PAC 10
Oct 13 Boston College Win. South Bend also inspires visitors.
Oct 20 USC Toss. We are ready!!! No free ride for SC.
Nov 3 Navy Win. Guard against emotions from last week.
Nov 10 Air Force Win. Air Force is class of the bunch.
Nov 17 Duke Win. Hoping North Carolina is watching. Your loss Greg Little.
Nov 24 @ Stanford Win. BSC Committee...here come the Irish!!!
No one ever said I was an expert, myself included. I am without a doubt...a fan first! It's why I am here (at Irish Envy) in the first place.
Navy will not be a problem. We will be coming off a bye week. How funny is that we have our bye before the fab 4 of our schedule.
I can't say that I disagree with you on your picks. A lot of the teams that we face in the first half of the schedule had significant changes during the off season. For example, GT may have a tough defense but the lost a good percentage of thier offense with Johnson and ball leaving, MSU has a new coach and new schemes on O and D. UCLA hasn't had this type of hype in years, how do the handle the pressure of preseason expectations with a young coach. And finally BC- I hate them I hope we beat them by 40....by the way Toal is out for the season.
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Who's Toal?
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We'll be there soon buddy. The future of ND Football is very bright. Go Irish!
Their star Senior LB. He has a bum shoulder.
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The physical and emotional leader of Boston College's defense, 5 star recruit and senior to be Brian Toal is forced to redshirt following a surgery in his shoulder back.
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I love your enthusiasm...but dude we don't have nearly the talent that UM or USC does...not even close. We have TWO really good recruiting classes. One pretty good...and two crappy ones. We are way behind on that.
As for better coaching? Maybe better than Michigan, but USC? I don't think there is ANYWAY you can say USC coaching takes a back seat to ND. At worst they are even.
I hate 'em, but I cannot argue against that success.
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I havent read anything on this thread but the first couple sentences of post 1. All I can say is USC is the most talented team ever, no one touches them. Secondly, a coach that has never won a national championship is not better than two coaches who have won 3 combined. Maybe Weis is up there with them, but he's not better.
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Adding on to my last post, Lloyd Carr still sucks.
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Top Ten...Well..We will see if Weis is truely a great coach this year or just a very good one
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Absolutely the most accurate post on this thread!!!
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love the enthusiasm!
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Brian Toal is the main BC linebacker. He was super highly recruited in HS. How did he get injured to be out for the season?
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Good coaching ??
Good coaching ??
Your example of good coaching is having your RB push your QB into the endzone for a TD to win the game ?? They absolutely STOLE that game from us ! Period. And that ONE play alone BROKE our team for the rest of the season and the next. This season will be different. Everyone is so concerned with all of the 'talent' and 'experience' that we lost from last year. Is everyone blind ? Did everyone actually watch any of those games or check the stats ? Those guys were HORRIBLE. Our defense could not stop anybody. Time after time, our offense could not get ONE measely yard when Weis would go for it on 4th and 1. Im glad those guys are gone and we have new guys to step in. You see, for the first 2 seasons Weis was forced to play the only way that the team he inherited could play. We had ZERO run game. Horrible offensive line. No D-line. No pass coverage. And the only thing on offense we had was a QB who had to run for his life and air it out. How many times was Brady Quinn sacked and knocked down ? Look it up. So Weis had to go with what he had. But that is not the Charlie Weis way. This year we will see what Weis can really do. He wants to pound the football down peoples throats, well now he can. He wants to use playaction and high percentage passes to BIG fast TE's. Well now he can. He wants to dominate on defense. Now he can. Weis is an excellent coach who has enough success in the NFL to back that up. His time to prove his worth is coming in College Football. Just wait.
Good coaching ??
Your example of good coaching is having your RB push your QB into the endzone for a TD to win the game ?? They absolutely STOLE that game from us ! Period. And that ONE play alone BROKE our team for the rest of the season and the next. This season will be different. Everyone is so concerned with all of the 'talent' and 'experience' that we lost from last year. Is everyone blind ? Did everyone actually watch any of those games or check the stats ? Those guys were HORRIBLE. Our defense could not stop anybody. Time after time, our offense could not get ONE measely yard when Weis would go for it on 4th and 1. Im glad those guys are gone and we have new guys to step in. You see, for the first 2 seasons Weis was forced to play the only way that the team he inherited could play. We had ZERO run game. Horrible offensive line. No D-line. No pass coverage. And the only thing on offense we had was a QB who had to run for his life and air it out. How many times was Brady Quinn sacked and knocked down ? Look it up. So Weis had to go with what he had. But that is not the Charlie Weis way. This year we will see what Weis can really do. He wants to pound the football down peoples throats, well now he can. He wants to use playaction and high percentage passes to BIG fast TE's. Well now he can. He wants to dominate on defense. Now he can. Weis is an excellent coach who has enough success in the NFL to back that up. His time to prove his worth is coming in College Football. Just wait.
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This summation pretty much sums it up...in a nutshell. The only thing I would question, and I don't know where to really start is the SC Condoms being the most talented team ever? Hard to dispute this fact...so I am going to back away. I am letting my distain for them get the better of me.
The upcoming season should be a good measuring stick for Coach Weis and his staff. This will be his third season, and by now more players that were recruited by him should start to get a better hold on the program...have a better pulse so to speak. If no one on the team has not bought into what the staff is trying to implement, then they probably will not...ever.
The majority of new coaches who immediately succeed, inherited an above average team to begin with. I am not talking about turning a 1 and 9 team into a 5 and 5. The 'Poodle' who arguably has the most talented team in the country...took a couple/three seasons to get their program to where it is today. Urban Myer won with players already in place...maybe he should be considered a great coach for getting his team to the National Championship in his second year?
The measuring stick is in place for Coach Weis. And next year we should be ready to really take our position in the national rankings back. But I still feel we will have a pretty decent team. I am very excited.
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Weis said he woulda done it himself. That rule is not enforced Bush did the right thing.
And his coaching since he got there has been stellar. One goofy play does NOT negate that.
OK, that's the most bizarre statement I have read so far. This team did not break that day...that very game gave them the belief they could do ANYTHING. That game made them feel like they could compete with anyone anytime. Which was wrong, but it did give them confidence.
You do realize that the guys you don't like so much (the secondary) is almost back intact? That's the one area that was not gutted by graduation.
ALSO, the talent we are seeing practice now was mostly around last year and they were not good enough to play. Now they will play, but we don't know how good they are.
They will be green as hell. They will miss assignments. They will overthink. They will underthink. They are going to learn the hard way. Weis played the best that we had...and most of what we had is what we have now.
And nothing has changed except a class of 17 has joined and the one before it has aged 8 months.
Oh yay.
What are you talking about? The O-Line this year will be green. The QB, RB, and WRs...GREEN. This is a year where we see what young kids can do when they are tossed in over their heads, not what they are capable of as they mature. Our Senior Leaders are few and far between. 16 guys between two classes for the Seniors and 5th year Seniors...holy crap. The Juniors are not exactly filled with talent either.
This will be a year where Sophomores and Freshman play more than they should, but we have no choice.
We have had no issues at the TE spot. In fact that's one spot that has NOT improved, but only maintained this last couple years. Don't expect changes there.
Based on a completely new scheme, a bunch of 2nd tier players from last year, and a few really green kids?
Ummmm...I am happy Corwin is around, but let's be clear he is ONLY teaching them the fundamentals of the D...they won't have time to learn the STYLE of it until after our toughest opponents are behind us. That does NOT bode well.
This statement I agree with.
Like I said before "I love your enthusiasm..." but your expectations are a bit off.
This team has very little experience except in the secondary and the TE spot. This is a major REBUILDING year, no matter what Weis says.
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This will be an exciting year to see the team grow and develop...but we must all bear in mind just how green some of these kids are. There will be many times when they trip over their own feet. These kids are getting tossed straight into the fire, I wish them luck...and I will have patience.
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I believe (and am almost hoping for) a 8 win season... get to a bowl that is winable for crying out loud... and then win it... that's my personal goal for this year... win a freaking bowl game... I don't care if it's the TurdBurger bowl presented by Aquafina... just win it...
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Amen Brother
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Turdburger bowl??? LOL
I can see it now.
Fans all liqoured up. At a turdburger joint around Turdburger Stadium ordering multi turdburger value meals.
Seriously, I agree with ACamp an 8-9 win season would be expected. Anything over that would be great. I just have take into an account the inexperience. But hey, you never know...
Preseason optimisum (spelling): Priceless
I can see it now.
Fans all liqoured up. At a turdburger joint around Turdburger Stadium ordering multi turdburger value meals.
Seriously, I agree with ACamp an 8-9 win season would be expected. Anything over that would be great. I just have take into an account the inexperience. But hey, you never know...
Preseason optimisum (spelling): Priceless
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7 is expected...at best. Anything above THAT is excelling.
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Allowing that to happen seems like a sign of a bad coach.
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