'08 PA LB Andrew Sweat (Ohio State Verbal)

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GG- What's your point. Did I say that Sweat was an ND lock because he visited ND last weekend. All I said was based on his recruiting history, IMO, it 's premature to write Sweat off as an ND recruit, I didn't ask anybody to agree with me. Also, according to Sweat himself he did not stop at OSU to see any coaches on his way home from South Bend, and while were on the subject of number of visits, how many times did Trevor Robinson visit Notre Dame before committing to Nebraska.

Also, why did you quote the first rumor in your post without commenting on it. What does that mean?


i think he added the rumors thing because of the rumor about Sweat being turned off by the spring game at OSU visit..and now hes totaled 8 visits to OSU. And i know what you mean, we shouldnt write him off as a ND commitment, but he was just stating his opinion. which is Sweat is OSU..and i wouldnt disagree with either, its hard to tell
 

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i think he added the rumors thing because of the rumor about Sweat being turned off by the spring game at OSU visit..and now hes totaled 8 visits to OSU. And i know what you mean, we shouldnt write him off as a ND commitment, but he was just stating his opinion. which is Sweat is OSU..and i wouldnt disagree with either, its hard to tell

Thanks, Nick, but I still don't get it. You think he put the rumors thing in there because I did not mention the fact that it was at the OSU Spring game that Sweat was turned off. Also, if you read my post that GG quotes from, I go out of my way to say that I am not criticizing anyone whose opinion it is that Sweat is an OSU lock, so I am not sure why that is an issue. I do take some exception to the post because the tone of it, to me, at least, was critical of the fact that it is my opinion based on the reasons I posted that we should not write Sweat off, at least until tomorrow. Maybe I am reading too much into it, but until I hear otherwise from GG, that's the way I am still looking at it.
 

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Farrell posted something about Pryor and Sweat in the osu premium area for anyone that has access to it.
 
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From the aforementioned article:

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/sittingringside/

Tops on his list were the comfort level with the campus and the school’s coaching staff.

Now, this is an older article, but juxtapose that comment with the ones Sweat made about Notre Dame earlier in the year:

http://recruiting.scout.com/2/630318.html

Sweat says the Fighting Irish are his next choice. “Notre Dame is number three. I went there for an unofficial about a month ago. I was surprised at how small South Bend is. There’s not much to do there. I loved the campus. As far as academics, it’s the best. But I like a lot of diversity and there really wasn’t a lot of that there. There’s the athlete and the brains and I didn’t see much interaction between the two. College is about experiencing different things and meeting new people you wouldn’t normally meet and I just didn’t get that from Notre Dame.

All the coaches were really cool and Coach (Charlie) Weis is a great guy. It was amazing to meet him, but I didn’t really learn much about him when I was there. And their defense is in a little bit of a transition right now. It’s not that great.

So, it depends on what you subscribe to. The underlined comments point to good things for the Irish. The bolded ones look like ND's downfall in this one. I chose to look at the bolded ones at this point, but you all can look at it whichever way you want to.
 

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he's a bucknut, i am willing to bet my left nut on it

Not basing this on those articles, especially the scout one which is worth about as much as used TP, just my own personal opinion.

he's had bucknut background on his myspace page for about 2 months, so either Sweat is playing this super cool and going to trick alot of people tomorrow, or this will be a yawner of an announcement. Both Newman and Cave say he is osu all the way. We'll see.
 
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Geez-GD3, I don't know whether to defend Sweat on this one or not. The Scout article that you linked is the infamous "Golf Cart Tour" article that first got Sweat into hot water with ND fans, including me. There were a lot of disparaging remarks about a lot of schools, including Michigan & Lloyd Carr in that article. Sweat disavowed those comments and said that most of the quotes listed by Wallace were either inaccurate or taken out of context. I personally sent Wallace more than 10 e-mails after Sweat said that the quotes were inaccurate, and he never bothered to defend his so-called journalistic integrity. Since Sweat did defend himself, I personally believe that Wallace and Scout did a hatchet job on him. As I mentioned earlier today, after a very rocky start, Sweat has been remarkably consistent in his comments of the last 2 months. Although he never really stopped giving interviews, he must have learned something from the experience of "The Golf Cart Tour" article.

In any case, less than 24 hours till Sweat makes his announcement. Let's hope he makes the best decision for him and his family.
 

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From the aforementioned article:

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/sittingringside/



Now, this is an older article, but juxtapose that comment with the ones Sweat made about Notre Dame earlier in the year:

http://recruiting.scout.com/2/630318.html



So, it depends on what you subscribe to. The underlined comments point to good things for the Irish. The bolded ones look like ND's downfall in this one. I chose to look at the bolded ones at this point, but you all can look at it whichever way you want to.

The infamous Golf Cart Tour article has been somewhat debunked for its rather misleading depiction of what was actually said by Andrew. Even then, Andrew has gotten a chance to meet with the coaches again and, in fact, really likes the staff especially Brown and Weis. And while I am unsure if his image of the student and athlete relations at Notre Dame has changed, he has not cited it as an issue in any recent report and Notre Dame still remains largely in the figure so I don't think he would write us off because of that particular concern.

EDIT: Bill beat me to it.
 
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I know what you're saying, no doubt Pham and IUB. I didn't quite know the history of that article itself, but at least we can say that it raises some doubts, whether you believe everything you read from there, or you believe that Wallace was puffing up some schools while knocking down others.

All I'm saying is, there's just enough doubt surrounding this recruitment that it'd be foolish to say he's a no holds bar lock prematurely. I mean obviously, we know he's made a choice by now, but there's been just enough info thats pertinent to string along both fanbases. The large majority of information is pointing to OSU, but if he picked ND, Buckeye fans can't say they never would have seen it coming in a million years. Thats all I'm getting at, that a lot of the things he has said are subject to interpretation.

I think he's a Buckeye, but we've all been wrong and/or mislead in the past at some point.
 
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I was just adding info that he stopped back by O$U on his way home so it's not like the entire focus of his trip west was about ND. Plus I would imagine if he felt ND was the place for him he wouldn't have felt the need, or wanted to make his trip longer by making another stop on the way home. The only reason I included the rumor is to try to make it clear that the trip you mentioned was no longer his latest trip to O$U. I ment no offence.
 

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I know what you're saying, no doubt Pham and IUB. I didn't quite know the history of that article itself, but at least we can say that it raises some doubts, whether you believe everything you read from there, or you believe that Wallace was puffing up some schools while knocking down others.

All I'm saying is, there's just enough doubt surrounding this recruitment that it'd be foolish to say he's a no holds bar lock prematurely. I mean obviously, we know he's made a choice by now, but there's been just enough info thats pertinent to string along both fanbases. The large majority of information is pointing to OSU, but if he picked ND, Buckeye fans can't say they never would have seen it coming in a million years. Thats all I'm getting at, that a lot of the things he has said are subject to interpretation.

I think he's a Buckeye, but we've all been wrong and/or mislead in the past at some point.

GD3- Exactly the point I made earlier in the day. Too much conflicting info to say he is a lock one way or the other, which is what amazed me about the reaction on the ND message boards to word of Sweat's impending announcement. Your saying that you think he's a Buckeye is your opinion based on what you have seen, and that is a fair opinion, the comments that I was talking about, and I made that clear in my earlier post, were the one's that said Sweat is an OSU lock, or ND's chances were 1 in 200. Unless Andrew Sweat has personally told you that he is a Buckeye, there is no way that after digesting all of the information on the Sweat recruiting saga that a reasonable person could say that Sweat is a Buckeye lock, or that ND's chances are 1 in 200. As far as I can remember, I have not actually seen those type comments from anyone on Irish Envy, most have been like yours, that you think he's a Buckeye. The closest would be Marv willing to bet his left nut on it, but my sources tell me that Marv has 2 left nuts anyway, so he can spare one if he is wrong.:wink:

BTW, just to clarify my stance, I have never said that I believe Andrew Sweat will commit to ND, I have only said that since it came down to ND and OSU that we have a chance, and we will have that chance until Sweat informs us otherwise. If you look at the very first page of this thread, I said that IMO Sweat would be a tough pull from the Big 10. That was based on Andrew's comments much earlier in the recruiting process, long before he got into hot water over the Golf Cart Tour article, and others that were published in March. However, I would be thrilled if my initial opinion and the opinion of the majority of ND fans was incorrect, and that Sweat surprises everyone tomorrow. Shock and awe, baby, shock and awe!
 
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I was just adding info that he stopped back by O$U on his way home so it's not like the entire focus of his trip west was about ND. Plus I would imagine if he felt ND was the place for him he wouldn't have felt the need, or wanted to make his trip longer by making another stop on the way home. The only reason I included the rumor is to try to make it clear that the trip you mentioned was no longer his latest trip to O$U. I ment no offence.

GG- That's fine. I guess I did not write the rumor #1 clearly enough. I was not saying that his last trip to OSU was where it was rumored he got a bad taste in his mouth, I was saying his last trip to OSU where he met up with the other OSU recruits was when he allegedly got the bad taste. As Gallup pointed out, I should have been clearer and mentioned that it was at the OSU Spring Game, if it happened at all.
 

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Both Newman and Cave say he is osu all the way. We'll see.

Marv, that's the second time I have seen the comment about Newman and Cave saying Sweat is OSU all the way. Can you share the original source of that info, so I don't have to expect any surprises tomorrow.
 

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ALERT!! ALERT!! Two Buckeye fans viewing the thread.!!

Just kidding, ant80 & napoleonbuck, although I must say buck that you have been pretty much on Irish Envy all day today. Are you secretly turning into an Irish fan.?:wink:
 
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15 people viewing this thread...think we need i guy like sweat?

Need? No. He'd be a nice feather in our cap, but there are other guys I see as more important if ND wants to speed up the rebuilding process.

But we ND fans get pretty fervent when verbals are on the way, especially when its somewhat shrouded in mystery. See Dayne Crist for details.
 
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ALERT!! ALERT!! Two Buckeye fans viewing the thread.!!

Just kidding, ant80 & napoleonbuck, although I must say buck that you have been pretty much on Irish Envy all day today. Are you secretly turning into an Irish fan.?:wink:

Not a fan, but a well wisher.:)

This is what happens when I'm out of school with no job lined up.

Besides, I went to a Catholic school that used the Notre Dame fight song and has a pretty significant connection to Notre Dame.
 

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Marv, that's the second time I have seen the comment about Newman and Cave saying Sweat is OSU all the way. Can you share the original source of that info, so I don't have to expect any surprises tomorrow.

They mentioned it to Ryan O'Leary from B&G.
 

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I think this thread has alot of comments and views simply because of this sea-saw recruitment he's had, thats not really his fault. He would be a good pick-up for us, but considering that we need OLBs more makes me a little more hesitent. Anyway, like everyone else assumes OSU tomorrow so we won't probably have to worry about who gets the 5th spot if there is even one. Filer, Sabino and whoever will become the topic of gossip from now on.
 

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Recruiting: Trinity LB expected to pick Buckeyes
Thursday, May 31, 2007

By Mike White, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Andrew Sweat, a heavily recruited linebacker at Trinity High School, is expected to make a verbal commitment to Ohio State today.

Sweat will hold a news conference this evening to announce his decision. A 6-foot-2, 225-pound junior, Sweat was recruited by colleges across the country. He had narrowed his choices to Pitt, Penn State, Notre Dame, Michigan and Ohio State. Then last week he trimmed the list to Ohio State and Notre Dame.

Sweat made unofficial recruiting visits to Ohio State and Notre Dame this weekend.
 

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If he does pick osu I wish him the best until or if he plays nd. geuss we will find out later.
 

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I really interested in what he decides. you really don't know which way he going because he's been so back and forth.
 
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He's been Buckeye for months no matter how much he told folks otherwise.
 

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I think he will be a Buckeye because players who constantly switch back and forth between favorite schools, IMO, usually don't come to ND. Most ND recruit, to the best of my knowledge, have ND as a favorite and just want to be sure. Sweat, as everyone knows, was all over the place early on and know is jumping back and forth between OSU and ND. I don't have a good feeling about him, but I sure hope I'm wrong.
 

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I hope he comes aboard, but either way, I'll be glad when he makes his announcement. I am really tired of talking about Sweat.
 
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