'08 PA LB Andrew Sweat (Ohio State Verbal)

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Andrew is still very early in his recruiting processes and is taking his time seriously considering every school. When asked about his top schools Andrew said, "I like five schools, three of which lead: Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Penn State. Michigan and Florida are still up there." With a visit to Gainesville this weekend, Andrew is still months away from making a decision.

Also, please remember that speaking negatively about recruits will not be tolerated on Irish Envy as we do have certain 'guests' that peek about from time to time. :)
 

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I wonder if the verbal commit of Devoe Torrence to OSU will have any impact on the thought process of Andrew Sweat. Torrence is also an ILB, (one of seven ILB offers including Sweat that OSU has at the present time) is ranked by one of the Buckeye recruiting services as the #3 prospect in the state of Ohio, and will be most likely a higher overall rated recruit than Sweat. The seven ILB offers by OSU makes the whole “concerned about the depth chart and possible Notre Dame commits at his position” comments by Andrew even more mysterious.
 
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I'm an Ohio State fan. I just wanted to clarify that Devoe Torrence is being brought in as a RB.

Sweat is also being recruited as an outside linebacker(Hale is being recruited as an ILB).

Ohio state currently doesn't have any linebacker commits for this class.
 

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Well that's a wrap for Sweat he told me a month ago ND was his fav. and he wanted to commit somewhere in a month since then he's taken a trip to OSU and they have become his leader then went to Florida this weekend and now has fallen into the Urban spell and Florida and OSU are running neck and neck now and he will decide by early summer, he says we're #3 but i don't think he could've said anymore bad things about us than he didhttp://story.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=2&c=630318
 

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Well that's a wrap for Sweat he told me a month ago ND was his fav. and he wanted to commit somewhere in a month since then he's taken a trip to OSU and they have become his leader then went to Florida this weekend and now has fallen into the Urban spell and Florida and OSU are running neck and neck now and he will decide by early summer, he says we're #3 but i don't think he could've said anymore bad things about us than he didhttp://story.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=2&c=630318

No doubt about it, Irishknight, time to put this bad boy to bed, and unwrap some new LB offers.
 

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He seems good in his video, but it doesnt look like he punishes and closes quite like McDonald i don't want to sound bitter cause im not cause hes a cool guy just i said a while back that i thought McDonald was on another level but i don't understand why McDonald doesn't have the offers.
 
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I'd take what he says with a grain of salt. A lot of these interviewers try to manipulate these kids into saying things they can then take out of context. It happened to a football player that was a year ahead of me when I was in high school. I'm sure he said those things, but I think the writer took them out of context. From everything I've heard, Notre Dame is still very much in it.

As for his video, what impressed me was how instinctual he is. He might not be the most aggressive, but he rarely overpursues, he doesn't get caught up in traffic much, and he finishes the play. He probably isn't the most physically imposing(though he's no slouch) player, but he definitely understands the position.
 

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I'd take what he says with a grain of salt. A lot of these interviewers try to manipulate these kids into saying things they can then take out of context. It happened to a football player that was a year ahead of me when I was in high school. I'm sure he said those things, but I think the writer took them out of context. From everything I've heard, Notre Dame is still very much in it.


Buck- have to disagree with you here. I am sure you have seen how many interviews Sweat has done with many different people. This is not the first time he has put his foot in his mouth, unless everyone is misquoting him, or taking him out of context. How could the remarks he made about Lloyd Carr & Joe Pa be taken out of context. They may have some truth to them, but as a potential recruit you should never make comments about the stability of a program recruiting you.

How about this quote about campus life at Notre Dame. Hard to see how it could have been taken out of context.

"There’s the athlete and the brains and I didn’t see much interaction between the two. College is about experiencing different things and meeting new people."

I know you are not a ND fan, but are you aware that ND Football Players do not have separate dorms. The truth of the matter is that ND probably has more interaction between the "brains" and the "athletes" than any other school in the country. Sweat would meet more "new people" from all over the country at an ND dorm than he would at just about any college I can think of. What this quote is though is right out of the Urban Meyer brainwash manual, because Urban will try to convince a recruit that ND is not "diverse" enough for a guy like Sweat to "grow" in college. Meanwhile Sweat gets most excited in the article when he is talking about the barbeques with all of the football players and their "girlfriends". Now that's going to amount to a lot of meeting new people every week. Sweat's comments make no sense because he is obviously easily swayed. Would you be comfortable with a guy like that if he had already verbally committed to OSU. I don't think so.

BTW, as far as your comment that "from everything I've heard, Notre Dame is still very much in it", there is a guy on another ND message board who swears that this whole interview was bogus, and that Sweat has only two favorites still, ND & PSU. I guess we will find out later who is right, but Andrew Sweat's verbal commit to anyone has to be questioned until he signs an actual LOI, he has earned that right.
 

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i'd rep you IUB, but I can't. Have to spread the love, but that is a great post.
 
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Buck- have to disagree with you here. I am sure you have seen how many interviews Sweat has done with many different people. This is not the first time he has put his foot in his mouth, unless everyone is misquoting him, or taking him out of context. How could the remarks he made about Lloyd Carr & Joe Pa be taken out of context. They may have some truth to them, but as a potential recruit you should never make comments about the stability of a program recruiting you.

How about this quote about campus life at Notre Dame. Hard to see how it could have been taken out of context.

"There’s the athlete and the brains and I didn’t see much interaction between the two. College is about experiencing different things and meeting new people."

I know you are not a ND fan, but are you aware that ND Football Players do not have separate dorms. The truth of the matter is that ND probably has more interaction between the "brains" and the "athletes" than any other school in the country. Sweat would meet more "new people" from all over the country at an ND dorm than he would at just about any college I can think of. What this quote is though is right out of the Urban Meyer brainwash manual, because Urban will try to convince a recruit that ND is not "diverse" enough for a guy like Sweat to "grow" in college. Meanwhile Sweat gets most excited in the article when he is talking about the barbeques with all of the football players and their "girlfriends". Now that's going to amount to a lot of meeting new people every week. Sweat's comments make no sense because he is obviously easily swayed. Would you be comfortable with a guy like that if he had already verbally committed to OSU. I don't think so.

BTW, as far as your comment that "from everything I've heard, Notre Dame is still very much in it", there is a guy on another ND message board who swears that this whole interview was bogus, and that Sweat has only two favorites still, ND & PSU. I guess we will find out later who is right, but Andrew Sweat's verbal commit to anyone has to be questioned until he signs an actual LOI, he has earned that right.

That could very well be the case. I don't have a Scout subscription so I can't read this interview or any old ones.

I'm just saying that a lot of times the interviewers will ask leading questions to get answers out of kids they that the kids don't necessarily think is true.

As for his quotes, at least he's being forthright. There have been concerns about the life that players lead on campus(I thought that was an issue with a WR recruit of yours last year if I'm not mistaken). There are also definite concerns about Carr and Paterno. The kid's being honest about his concerns. I don't see how you could fault him on that. From the sound of it though, he should probably be a little more candid when talking about these colleges.

I wasn't saying that Sweat's comments were taken out of context, just that it wouldn't surprise me if they were, since that's a common theme among the Scout and Rivals interviewers.
 
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since that's a common theme among the Scout and Rivals interviewers.

THANK YOU!!! yes that is very true. Guys, just wish him well and move on. It's not like ND's totally out of the picture, just pretty much
 

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Well i know PSU is barley even in it so the guy on the other message boards is making things up, He grew up a OSU fan and his favorite and i see him going there instead of Florida at the end...hopefully just because i hate urban meyer.
 
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right out of the Urban Meyer anti-ND recruiting playbook.

Interesting that the diversity comment and the following quote:

"There’s the athlete and the brains and I didn’t see much interaction between the two. College is about experiencing different things and meeting new people you wouldn’t normally meet and I just didn’t get that from Notre Dame."

came out in the same article as the quote about the weekly Gator barbeques:

"There is such a team bond there…that’s a big deal. They have barbeques every week where everyone brings their girlfriends and friends and just hangs out. It was so much fun.”

Never realized that the Gators invited the Applied Math department to their functions. Based on the comments in the thread about recruiting sites' 'inaccuracies' in quoting recruits, hard to tell fact from fiction. If young Mr. Sweat is being misquoted, I hope that the Scout writer (Wallace) gets exposed.
 

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"I'll admit Ohio State and Florida are ahead but most of the other quotes are bogus," says Andrew Sweat regarding a recent recruiting article that sparked an uproar across Notre Dame message boards.

"The [Coach] Carr thing, not true," holds the linebacker recruit from Pennsylvania, "I said stability is a must for me. The interviewer mentioned rumors had been going around about him and I said, 'Yea, I heard that.' A lot of recruits are bringing that up but I'm not the one that said that."

Having visited South Bend during Notre Dame's Junior Day at the beginning of March, followed by a visit to Ohio State, and recently taking a trip to Florida, Andrew responds to accusations of being indecisive, "I'm not changing my mind. I just went to Notre Dame, then Ohio State, then Florida. Ohio State one upped Notre Dame and Florida tied it up with Ohio State."

With a planned visit to Notre Dame, Andrew's schools of interest are beginning to create separation. "[Coach Brown] has been texting, but I'm not sure. I can definitely say that Ohio State and Florida are ahead. Notre Dame is up there, though. It's a great institution, just not sure if it's for me."

Among his concerns, location is a deciding factor, "[Notre Dame] is six hours from my house. My parents have a house in Florida and my aunt lives close to Gainesville and Ohio State is just two hours from home."

When asked about how his decision will be made, Andrew responds, "These are the top programs in the country, nothing is really wrong with them. I mean you have to pick one, I am just looking at every aspect because between those, they are the best. It's hard and I'm 17 years old, these guys act as if everything that is said about you is set in stone."

Wherever Andrew might end up, he will make a positive impact on and off the field. He's been well spoken and upfront with me and has been unfortunately misrepresented by writers for recruiting sites who slant the interviews and articles without restraint leaving a bitter taste in the mouths of fans who then pass judgment on a high schooler trying to make a decision that will affect the rest of his life. I remember one of the first things that Andrew said to me was that he didn't want to make a decision until he had visited all his schools of interest and has thoroughly considered each program's offerings, and it seems to me that he has done just that. Because of his honest and open nature, Andrew has been quoted repeatedly listing his top schools. Unfortunately, this has been interpreted as indecision when in reality, with each list, Andrew became more and more aware of what sets these programs apart and each list became more and more educated and true to his priorities.

From this we can learn that self-proclaimed recruiting experts might be better considered recruiting fan fiction authors, their words taken with the highest degree of skepticism. From this we learn that as much as we hold dear to us Notre Dame, Our Mother, not only recruits, but every high school student must look out for their best interests and in the end, Notre Dame is not the place for everyone, even if it's just a whim that one cannot explain. From this we learn even more intimately and appreciate even more the type of student athletes that are attracted to Notre Dame.

So the best of luck to Andrew wherever he ends up. And, most importantly... Go Irish.
 

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Also, this is my final and most firm warning. Recruits and their parents are present on board. Comments made in poor taste and based on skeptical sources (read: the fiction writers on certain recruiting sites) will not be tolerated and will result not only to repercussions to your status as a board member, but may have dire consequences on the recruiting efforts of the Notre Dame athletic department, and consequentially on the IrishEnvy community.

If you have made a comment you think you might be angry if you were the parent of a recruit reading this about your own son, please rephrase or remove your post and refrain from repeating these types of posts.
 
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I only think it's a violation is the alumni(who are considered boosters IIRC) go out of their way to interact with recruits. If they were all on campus, then I don't think it would be a violation. I also know that Hawk and Carpenter are basically from Columbus(Carpenter is a little further away) and that Spielman lives in Columbus. If they were just eating in a cafeteria or something, it wouldn't be a violation.

I remember USC caught some flack for taking recruits to a former player's restaurant a few years ago, and that's when the rule was clarified to me.

It would make sence because I'm sure Carpenter and Hawk were working out and Spielman hosts a Columbus radio show that pretty much focuses only on Ohio State.

Does anyone know the exact rule?
 

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Buck, here is the rule but don't waste you time reading it, both you and I know that even if there was a blatant violation here, the NCAA is not going to do anything about it, so no worries.

13.01.4 Recruiting by Representatives of Athletics Interests

Representatives of an institution's athletics interests (as defined in Bylaw 13.02.13) are prohibited from making in-person, on- or off-campus recruiting contacts, or written or telephonic communications with a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete's relatives or legal guardians. Specific examples of the exceptions to application of this regulation are set forth in Bylaw 13.1.2.2.

13.1.2.2 General Exceptions
This regulation is not applicable to:

(a) Admissions Program. Off-campus recruiting contacts made by an institution's regular admissions program representative and directed at all prospective students including nonathletes.

(b) Coach Who Is Prospective Student-Athlete's Parent or Legal Guardian. Recruiting contact and evaluation limitations do not apply to a coaching staff member who is the parent (or legal guardian) of a participant in any activity being observed (e.g., practices, contests or camps), provided the attendance by the coaching staff member at such activity does not involve any personal contact with any other participating prospective student-athlete. (Revised: 1/10/95, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)

(c) Spouse of Prospective Student-Athlete's Coach. Recruiting contact and evaluation limitations do not apply to a coaching staff member observing a contest that involves prospective student-athletes coached by his or her spouse, provided the attendance by the coaching staff member at such a contest does not involve any personal contact with any prospective student-athlete participating in the contest. (Adopted: 1/11/94)

(d) Established Family Friend/Neighbor. Contacts made with a prospective student-athlete by an established family friend or neighbor, it being understood that such contacts are not made for recruiting purposes and are not initiated by a member of an institution's coaching staff.

(e) Spouse of Staff Member

(1) On Campus. A spouse of an institutional staff member on campus.

(2) Off Campus during Official Visit. A spouse of an athletics department staff member during a prospective student-athlete's official visit and within a 30-mile radius of the institution's main campus during the prospective student-athlete's official visit.

(f) Interpreter. An interpreter present during an institution's in-person, off-campus contact with a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete's parent(s) [or legal guardian(s)], provided that if the institution is involved in making the arrangements for the use of the interpreter, the interpreter must be a faculty member or a professional interpreter. It is not permissible for the interpreter to be an enrolled student-athlete, a family member of an enrolled student-athlete or a representative of the institution's athletics interests. (Adopted: 1/11/97)

(g) Unavoidable Incidental Contact. An unavoidable incidental contact made with a prospective student-athlete by representatives of the institution's athletics interests, provided the contact is not prearranged by the representative or an athletics department staff member, does not take place on the grounds of the prospective student-athlete's educational institution or at the sites of organized competition and practice involving the prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete's team (i.e., high school, preparatory school, two-year college or all-star team), is not made for the purpose of recruitment of the prospective student-athlete, and involves only normal civility.

(h) Permissible Pre-enrollment Activities. Contacts between a prospective student-athlete and an athletics representative regarding permissible pre-enrollment activities (e.g., a discussion of summer-employment arrangements that occurs subsequent to the prospective student-athlete's signing of the National Letter of Intent).
 
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If Eddie George's restaurant is a cafeteria, then I guess you are right Buck- LOL

Not a cafeteria, but I do believe it's considered on campus. I imagine that meeting would fall under exception g.

It's been a while since I've been to Notre Dame, but they have on campus restaurants, don't they?
 
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Does anyone think that this meeting was unavoidable incidental contact? I just want to know what people think about this.
 

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VIOLATION!!!

a pretty blantant one at that. Is it a serious one?? That is debatable.
 

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As per Andrew Sweat, "The meeting with [A.J.] Hawk and them was at the Ohio State football facility while they were working out. We were actually right in the weight room."

This could, if I'm not mistaken, fall under exception g.
 

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Not a cafeteria, but I do believe it's considered on campus. I imagine that meeting would fall under exception g.

It's been a while since I've been to Notre Dame, but they have on campus restaurants, don't they?

Not a cafeteria, but I do believe it's considered on campus. I imagine that meeting would fall under exception g.

It's been a while since I've been to Notre Dame, but they have on campus restaurants, don't they?

Buck, you are not serious right? I said even if there was a violation, nothing would happen, so why are you trying to defend it. Ah, what the hell, it isn't every day that I get to give a Buckeye fan a lesson on their own campus. so here goes.

Eddie George's Grille 27, the site of the alleged recruiting violation is located at 1636 N. High Street which is on the SE corner of High and Chittenden. High Street forms the southern boundary of the OSU campus, so the SE corner of High and Chittenden is not on the OSU campus. Furthermore, if you look up the building index for the OSU campus on their website, Eddie George’s Grille 27 is not listed as a campus building. As to Notre Dame, yes there are restaurants on campus. As far as I know, all on campus restaurants are owned by the University, and none by former football players of the University of Notre Dame. Anyone correct me if I am wrong about that fact.

Now that was fun!

Buck- I’m not sure why you would want to keep this alive. A minor recruiting infraction most likely occurred at Eddie George's Grille 27 on the evening of March 10, 2007. It is a minor recruiting infraction that I am sure is repeated often at Eddie George's Grille 27, somebody at OSU just neglected to tell Andrew Sweat not to talk about it. As I said, no worries though, because if the NCAA is not going to sanction USC for letting Reggie Bush live in an 800K house with no visible means of family support, they certainly wouldn’t bother even farting in the wind over the Vest Master buying dinner for recruits and having them “accidentally” run into Chris Speilman, A.J. Hawk, Bobby Carpenter & have them “accidentally” tell those recruits that they're trying to get them to go to OSU.
 
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