'17 TX S Jeffrey Okudah (Ohio State Verbal)

[Sherm Sticky]

This class won't be a top 5 class. But it has a good shot at top 10.


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[GBdomer]

Is elite top 3, 5, 10? We currently sit 6 right? I'd take top 10 class every damn year.

I would say top 5 is elite, it's all different because if a school takes more players than most it will affect rankings and might make class A look better than class B. I see ND ending up in the 10-15 range which is a good/great class. I said nothing about ND class being bad or average I just don't think it will be elite.

 

[GBdomer]

Agreed. The difference in classes among top ten is not that great.

I disagree with that. The difference between 3-10 is something to look at IMO

 

[TheChosen1]

ND not in his top 6.

 

[NDdomer2]

I would say top 5 is elite, it's all different because if a school takes more players than most it will affect rankings and might make class A look better than class B. I see ND ending up in the 10-15 range which is a good/great class. I said nothing about ND class being bad or average I just don't think it will be elite.

I wasn't accusing u of saying ND class as bad just was curious on ur perception of elite.

I really think we can finish in top 10 this year.

 

[BobbyMac]

Is elite top 3, 5, 10? We currently sit 6 right? I'd take top 10 class every damn year.

Agreed. The difference in classes among top ten is not that great.

I disagree with that. The difference between 3-10 is something to look at IMO

This OSU class has a chance to be more Kentucky basketball class than college football. I think they are going to miss on 3 of 5 CB's they are on and i think ND has a great shot at Shaun Wade because of it but on paper, this class is ELITE. Not great. Not really damn good.

Now, UGa has themselves a great class too but they are in for some trouble too at the DB spots. They have 8 guys who are committed, favorites or heavy leans. They ain't all going there. I feel sorry for Latavious Brini who just committed, they shouldn't have got his hopes up.

Here's there DB's they lead on:

Poole ........... 95 Comp - Committed
Brini ............. 89 Comp - Commited
LeCounte ..... 98 Comp - Committed
Bishop .......... 94 Comp
Stevens ........ 98 Comp
Gibbs ............ 98 Comp
Williams ........ 97 Comp
Terrell ........... 95 Comp

I'm with you Stephen A...

 

[jerboski]

Agreed. The difference in classes among top ten is not that great.

Beg to differ, there is a reason why Alabama, Ohio state and fsu have won the last titles, they are consistently in the top 5... Saying a top 3 finish is similar to 7-10
Finish is like saying bama was close to Iowa last year

 

[jerboski]

Beg to differ, there is a reason why Alabama, Ohio state and fsu have won the last titles, they are consistently in the top 5... Saying a top 3 finish is similar to 7-10
Finish is like saying bama was close to Iowa On the field last year, there is a significant difference between them

 

[GBdomer]

I wasn't accusing u of saying ND class as bad just was curious on ur perception of elite.

I really think we can finish in top 10 this year.

I guess everyone will have a certain opinion on what "elite" is. So class could be smaller and still be elite but be outside the top 5. I still think the top 1-5 or 6 is usually elite classes and the rest are great to good. I think ND has a CHANCE to have a great class I still think it will be a very solid good class though. Really need to have a good year and finish strong like usual.

 

[dwshade]

Beg to differ, there is a reason why Alabama, Ohio state and fsu have won the last titles, they are consistently in the top 5... Saying a top 3 finish is similar to 7-10
Finish is like saying bama was close to Iowa On the field last year, there is a significant difference between them

Last three years Clemson were 9th, 11th, and 24th in recruiting rankings and came within a play or two of beating Bama. OSU always out recruits MSU by a mile according to rankings yet MSU has won 2 of last 3 in head to head. The difference isn't as great as you think.

 

[GBdomer]

Last three years Clemson were 9th, 11th, and 24th in recruiting rankings and came within a play or two of beating Bama. OSU always out recruits MSU by a mile according to rankings yet MSU has won 2 of last 3 in head to head. The difference isn't as great as you think.

Yes, but this is a small example of teams. Clemson has landed some ELITE talent in those classes as well as probably the best QB in the country. OSU also just won a national title landing ELITE talent

 

[koonja]

Honestly, we need to stop acting like our recruiting is elite, and also stop acting like elite recruits don't matter. It's the dumbest. Our recruiting is very good, it's not elite. Doesn't mean we can't win it all, just makes it a hell of a lot harder.

We have positions you can say are elite (TE, OL, QB?), but look at our DL, our safety recruiting, and RB recruiting. Not elite.

 

[GBdomer]

Honestly, we need to stop acting like our recruiting is elite, and also stop acting like elite recruits don't matter. It's the dumbest. Our recruiting is very good, it's not elite. Doesn't mean we can't win it all, just makes it a hell of a lot harder.

We have positions you can say are elite (TE, OL, QB?), but look at our DL, our safety recruiting, and RB recruiting. Not elite.

I agree with you here 120%, but I wouldn't say our RB recruiting isn't elite. I think we recruit that position damn well

 

[BobbyMac]

Last three years Clemson were 9th, 11th, and 24th in recruiting rankings and came within a play or two of beating Bama. OSU always out recruits MSU by a mile according to rankings yet MSU has won 2 of last 3 in head to head. The difference isn't as great as you think.

You can make arguments either way but sticking with this class... if OSU's doesn't fall apart and they continue to add the mid 90 and higher Comps they have leaning their way... this is going to be an all time class and I'll predict a NC in '18 or '19 even if their '18 class is pedestrian by their standards.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Honestly, we need to stop acting like our recruiting is elite, and also stop acting like elite recruits don't matter. It's the dumbest. Our recruiting is very good, it's not elite. Doesn't mean we can't win it all, just makes it a hell of a lot harder.

We have positions you can say are elite (TE, OL, QB?), but look at our DL, our safety recruiting, and RB recruiting. Not elite.

Agree with what GB said. You're right in the other positions named as not being elite, but we seem to be doing ok with the running backs we've recruited.

 

[koonja]

I agree with you here 120%, but I wouldn't say our RB recruiting isn't elite. I think we recruit that position damn well

I don't think CJ Holmes, Tony Jones JR, or Adams for that matter are elite. I think Adams will be a solid player, but the expectations some have for him because of a few big runs behind a great OL are maxed out IMO. I think they'll all be very good, but elite players change the game. I don't think it'll be our RBs that ever change the game for us.

 

[GBdomer]

I don't think CJ Holmes, Tony Jones JR, or Adams for that matter are elite. I think Adams will be a solid player, but the expectations some have for him because of a few big runs behind a great OL are maxed out IMO. I think they'll all be very good, but elite players change the game. I don't think it'll be our RBs that ever change the game for us.

I agree with what you are saying here. I think Dexter Williams and Josh Adams will be great players for ND. Mcintosh and Tony Jones will be good and I think CJ Holmes will be a damn good player for us if we use him correctly. But you are right they aren't game changers in terms of Dalvin Cook, Sony Michel and Leonard Fournette type players. ND will always have a hard time landing those kids. Even when they are five stars like Greg Bryant who just wasn't as good as ND fans made him out to be as long as rivals because he dominated camps. But lucky they get to run behind ND Oline and that's going to make them look really good.

 

[dwshade]

Yes, but this is a small example of teams. Clemson has landed some ELITE talent in those classes as well as probably the best QB in the country. OSU also just won a national title landing ELITE talent

Nonsense. Only "elite" (hate that word) talent Clemson has recruited last 4 years were Mac Alexander and Mitch Hyatt. They have recruited a tone of 3 star talent that developed into good players. Watson, who went to HS nearby, was 247's #81 player his SR. year. He has developed into a great QB in college but wasn't considered great coming out of HS. He went to school just down the road from Georgia and they didn't even recruit him.

 

[GBdomer]

Nonsense. Only "elite" (hate that word) talent Clemson has recruited last 4 years were Mac Alexander and Mitch Hyatt. They have recruited a tone of 3 star talent that developed into good players. Watson, who went to HS nearby, was 247's #81 player his SR. year. He has developed into a great QB in college but wasn't considered great coming out of HS. He went to school just down the road from Georgia and they didn't even recruit him.

I flat out disagree with you here. Watson was 30th on rivals, 16th on ESPN and scout doesn't show but made the elite 11. Georgia recruited him very heavily and Urban Meyer did everything he could to try and flip him. Yes, they have turned some 3*s into darn good football players like Ben Boulware, TJ Green, Kevin Dodd etc etc

Clemson "elite" players or top 1-150 players out of high school, yes all aren't "elite" but damn good coming out of high school
Christian Wilkins-elite
Carlos Watkins-elite
Shaq Lawson-elite
Tryone Crowder
Cordea Tankersly -elite
Artavis Scott- damn good/elite slot WR
Kyrin Priester
Deon Cain- all the talent in the world
Ray Ray McCLoud- elite HS player
Albert Huggins
Mark Fields
Jake Frughmorgen
Clelin Ferrell
Austin Bryant
Mich Hyatt- Elite football player
Deshaun Watson
Zac Brooks

This year alone they have Hunter Johnson and Tee Higgins so far. They recruit elite football players

 

[BobbyMac]

Nonsense. Only "elite" (hate that word) talent Clemson has recruited last 4 years were Mac Alexander and Mitch Hyatt. They have recruited a tone of 3 star talent that developed into good players. Watson, who went to HS nearby, was 247's #81 player his SR. year. He has developed into a great QB in college but wasn't considered great coming out of HS. He went to school just down the road from Georgia and they didn't even recruit him.

You better go back and look at Clemson's 2015 class again. There's more than Hyatt in that class in the 5 star range.

*edit* GB took care of it. I was eating some Stater Bros. Carne Asada. As you were!

 

[IrishLax]

Nonsense. Only "elite" (hate that word) talent Clemson has recruited last 4 years were Mac Alexander and Mitch Hyatt. They have recruited a tone of 3 star talent that developed into good players. Watson, who went to HS nearby, was 247's #81 player his SR. year. He has developed into a great QB in college but wasn't considered great coming out of HS. He went to school just down the road from Georgia and they didn't even recruit him.

#1 dual-threat QB, 98 rating in the composite which averages how he was viewed across all services. The consensus #1 player at his position isn't "great"? Rivals and ESPN both had him as the #1 QB, can't see Scout... think they have an IT error right now. Seems 247 is the only place that had him #2.

His wikipedia has him being recruited by Georgia, and his 247 profile has him taking multiple visits to Georgia and being offered. He took a visit to Georgia after committing to Clemson, too... and there are multiple articles on the internet talking about how hard Georgia recruited him but he had committed to Clemson so early and they were behind the 8-ball and couldn't get him to flip.

So it doesn't appear the bolded is very accurate.

 

[pkt77242]

Nonsense. Only "elite" (hate that word) talent Clemson has recruited last 4 years were Mac Alexander and Mitch Hyatt. They have recruited a tone of 3 star talent that developed into good players. Watson, who went to HS nearby, was 247's #81 player his SR. year. He has developed into a great QB in college but wasn't considered great coming out of HS. He went to school just down the road from Georgia and they didn't even recruit him.

Kind of cherry picking. You are right that his 247 ranking was 81 but his composite was #41 overall and the #1 DT. Sure seems elite to me.

 

[NDdomer2]

As to the RB behind a good line, u can say that about most bama RBs. Henry, Lacey, TRich, Ingram Jr all played behind great OLs. Lacey's NFL career still in writing with one good year and one average. TRich proved be nothing special. Ingram has had a nice career but never anything spectacular. Henry obviously too early to tell but has bust potential at next level.

But point is a great OL with a team who never quits pounding the rock can make alot of RBs looking amazing.

Hard to bash Adams for having a good OL, but hard to say he is gna be great too for same reason.

 

[koonja]

As to the RB behind a good line, u can say that about most bama RBs. Henry, Lacey, TRich, Ingram Jr all played behind great OLs. Lacey's NFL career still in writing with one good year and one average. TRich proved be nothing special. Ingram has had a nice career but never anything spectacular. Henry obviously too early to tell but has bust potential at next level.

But point is a great OL with a team who never quits pounding the rock can make alot of RBs looking amazing.

Hard to bash Adams for having a good OL, but hard to say he is gna be great too for same reason.

Two of those are heisman winners and all I bet were 5-stars coming out. I'd take ever one over Adams/Folston/CJ Holmes. They had great OLs and are elite RBs IMO.

 

[NDdomer2]

Two of those are heisman winners and all I bet were 5-stars coming out. I'd take ever one over Adams/Folston/CJ Holmes. They had great OLs and are elite RBs IMO.

I'm not arguing they didn't produce at bama or that I wouldn't have welcomed them to the ND sideline, just saying they clearly were better because of saban and the bama oline than they actually we're individually.

I think you can put any number of the top 15-20 rated rbs from any class into bama's system and they are gonna produce at high level. Just my opinion.

Edit: heismans don't always mean that much, I mean Johnny Football has one and they have his jersey on clearance for 1.99.

 

[Irish Man3]

I agree with what you are saying here. I think Dexter Williams and Josh Adams will be great players for ND. Mcintosh and Tony Jones will be good and I think CJ Holmes will be a damn good player for us if we use him correctly. But you are right they aren't game changers in terms of Dalvin Cook, Sony Michel and Leonard Fournette type players. ND will always have a hard time landing those kids. Even when they are five stars like Greg Bryant who just wasn't as good as ND fans made him out to be as long as rivals because he dominated camps. But lucky they get to run behind ND Oline and that's going to make them look really good.

Sony Michel? How'd that dude make the list with those studs? Lol

 

[Crazy Balki]

Richardson was a 5-star RB, Henry was a 5-star ATH on 247, and a 4-star RB on Rivals. Ingram and Lacy were 4-stars.

That being said, I think some of you are selling Adams a good bit short though. Have to remember, as great as our offensive line was last year, most of them were playing on high ankle sprains by the time Adams got serious reps and I think this year's offensive line is going to be considerably better in run blocking.

In addition, the way Adams looked in spring, both physique-wise and on-field play, he's looking like he's going to take a step into the elite category this year. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Guy that's 6'2 and pushing 225 who can run like that, and block and catch out of the backfield? Those don't come around very often.

Let's face it, Josh was suppose to be a high 4-star player coming out of high school. Understandably, his rating never got up there due to concerns about his knee as well as his stature. Very tall, lanky with a thin lower body. Dude looks a lot more filled in now, which should translate to more power and better drive.

That's just my opinionated rant.

 

[Irish#1]

Two of those are heisman winners and all I bet were 5-stars coming out. I'd take ever one over Adams/Folston/CJ Holmes. They had great OLs and are elite RBs IMO.

Richardson was a by-product of a great line, pure and simple, nothing more. The short time he was with the Colts, the guy rarely got past the LOS and went down way too easy. I see Adams as a better back than TR.

 

[Son of Kenmare]

Anyone ever hear about the Safety from Texas named Okudah?

 

[ginman]

who?