'17 MD SDE Joshua Paschal (Kentucky Verbal)

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I just watched his film. He plays against very good competition. He has great size and VERY good speed. Has a lot of good moves in terms of blowing by blockers, especially a great rip move. Great tackler, wraps really well. Seems to have a great football IQ, bats down balls, seems to read plays well and doesn't get fooled by RB's in the backfield. I really hope we get him.

 

[koonja]

also per loy he is checking to see if he is a definite take at the moment and if so will throw the cb down. he heard from multiple sources(save the loy jokes) he is extremely high on ND

Which thread is that on? I cannot find it. I believe you, just want to follow the thread to see where it goes.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

also per loy he is checking to see if he is a definite take at the moment and if so will throw the cb down. he heard from multiple sources(save the loy jokes) he is extremely high on ND

He's a 4* DE with an offer from Alabama. Take him and use him to get Kaindoh back on campus in the fall.

 

[koonja]

So I'll caveat with I watched 1:45 of his Hudl. This kid has some work to do IMO. His go to move is bull rushing and over powering the OT, and doesn't seem to have quick feet/athleticism. At 6'2.5" that bull rush won't fly at the D1 level. He needs to use his feet more and develop some moves. I like the offers and love his start ratings, but I might check in and put some pressure on Echols before I took this kid if I were the staff.

Unless of course his film is better elsewhere or in camps.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/162317

 

[arrowryan]

So I'll caveat with I watched 1:45 of his Hudl. This kid has some work to do IMO. His go to move is bull rushing and over powering the OT, and doesn't seem to have quick feet/athleticism. At 6'2.5" that bull rush won't fly at the D1 level. He needs to use his feet more and develop some moves. I like the offers and love his start ratings, but I might check in and put some pressure on Echols before I took this kid if I were the staff.

Unless of course his film is better elsewhere or in camps.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/162317

A large majority of D1 bound defensive linemen don't have many moves because they know they can just overpower their opponent. As we all know, that won't fly in college but I think Gilmore can coach him up just fine.

 

[dublinirish]

So I'll caveat with I watched 1:45 of his Hudl. This kid has some work to do IMO. His go to move is bull rushing and over powering the OT, and doesn't seem to have quick feet/athleticism. At 6'2.5" that bull rush won't fly at the D1 level. He needs to use his feet more and develop some moves.

Never hurt Prince Shembo or Romeo Okwara. Neither knew a thing about pass rushing

 

[koonja]

A large majority of D1 bound defensive linemen don't have many moves because they know they can just overpower their opponent. As we all know, that won't fly in college but I think Gilmore can coach him up just fine.

I'm more worried about what looked like club feet/athleticism. You're right about the moves being coached up, I just hope he's quicker than he let off in that first part of the video.

 

[koonja]

Never hurt Prince Shembo or Romeo Okwara. Neither knew a thing about pass rushing

Yeah, but I don't want another Romeo Okwara to start at DE for ND.

 

[dublinirish]

Yeah, but I don't want another Romeo Okwara to start at DE for ND.

Me neither dude, kid was frustrating as hell to watch :/

 

[arrowryan]

Yeah, but I don't want another Romeo Okwara to start at DE for ND.

The guy that led the team in sacks? You don't want another one of those? Lol

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm more worried about what looked like club feet/athleticism. You're right about the moves being coached up, I just hope he's quicker than he let off in that first part of the video.

He blew up his opening regional Sparq test. Kid is pretty darn athletic

 

[koonja]

The guy that led the team in sacks? You don't want another one of those? Lol

No. We're not winning a championship with Romeo being handled in single teamed blocks, and having inflated sacks because others made plays that pushed things to him. Every ND podcast has mentioned in their post-season wrap ups how Romeo's numbers were better than the actual disruption he brought to the table. Don't want to harp on the kid - he was the best we had - but we need to do better if we want to be in the playoffs.

We can't be happy about every mid level talent we get, defend their play, then complain about winning 9 games and watching OSU/Oklahoma/Clemson routinely be in the playoffs. Rant over.

 

[koonja]

He blew up his opening regional Sparq test. Kid is pretty darn athletic

Yes he did.

Football Recruiting - Joshua Paschal - Player Profiles - ESPN

I didn't see this athleticism on tape. Happy to have missed it and find out the raw athleticism is there.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

No. We're not winning a championship with Romeo being handled in single teamed blocks, and having inflated sacks because others made plays that pushed things to him. Every ND podcast has mentioned in their post-season wrap ups how Romeo's numbers were better than the actual disruption he brought to the table. Don't want to harp on the kid - he was the best we had - but we need to do better if we want to be in the playoffs.

We can't be happy about every mid level talent we get, defend their play, then complain about winning 9 games and watching OSU/Oklahoma/Clemson routinely be in the playoffs. Rant over.

This might be the most 'bang on' thing that I've read on this site. My feelings EXACTLY.

 

[arrowryan]

No. We're not winning a championship with Romeo being handled in single teamed blocks, and having inflated sacks because others made plays that pushed things to him. Every ND podcast has mentioned in their post-season wrap ups how Romeo's numbers were better than the actual disruption he brought to the table. Don't want to harp on the kid - he was the best we had - but we need to do better if we want to be in the playoffs.

We can't be happy about every mid level talent we get, defend their play, then complain about winning 9 games and watching OSU/Oklahoma/Clemson routinely be in the playoffs. Rant over.

I see it differently. I blame the staff for playing as a 16-17 year old and burning his redshirt. I would've loved to have him this year.

 

[koonja]

I see it differently. I blame the staff for playing as a 16-17 year old and burning his redshirt. I would've loved to have him this year.

I agree with all of that. I think the handling of RS's is my biggest problem with BK's decisions so far. There have been a few WTFs. But I love the coaching staff for the most part, especially BK, but I don't agree with the RS handling sometimes.

 

[dublinirish]

This might be the most 'bang on' thing that I've read on this site. My feelings EXACTLY.

i laughed on here too when folks suggested he might be a draft pick. Either the kid couldn't be coached or the staff does not know how to coach pass rushers. His whole career at ND was so purplexing.

 

[arrowryan]

I agree with all of that. I think the handling of RS's is my biggest problem with BK's decisions so far. There have been a few WTFs. But I love the coaching staff for the most part, especially BK, but I don't agree with the RS handling sometimes.

The Romeo Okwara RS siutation is the only one I have had a problem with. In 2014, the freshmen were needed because of the million injuries we had

 

[dublinirish]

The Romeo Okwara RS siutation is the only one I have had a problem with. In 2014, the freshmen were needed because of the million injuries we had

what about Kona?

 

[koonja]

The Romeo Okwara RS siutation is the only one I have had a problem with. In 2014, the freshmen were needed because of the million injuries we had

Blankership as a true frosh, Kona Shwenke, are two that come to mind for me. There have been others I didn't get but can't think of them right now.

 

[ColinKSU]

No. We're not winning a championship with Romeo being handled in single teamed blocks, and having inflated sacks because others made plays that pushed things to him. Every ND podcast has mentioned in their post-season wrap ups how Romeo's numbers were better than the actual disruption he brought to the table. Don't want to harp on the kid - he was the best we had - but we need to do better if we want to be in the playoffs.

We can't be happy about every mid level talent we get, defend their play, then complain about winning 9 games and watching OSU/Oklahoma/Clemson routinely be in the playoffs. Rant over.

Spot-on.

It's nothing personal against Romeo, because he was the best we had and he was giving it his all, but you don't win a national title without a dominant and disruptive defensive line. Alabama, Ohio State, Florida State, Auburn, Florida, USC, Miami, LSU ... the list goes on and on. Even ND had a dominant defensive line when they got to the title game in 2012 with Nix, Tuitt, Kapron and Sheldon up front.

You win by building from the inside out. I want Notre Dame to win a national title, and I'm at the point where it's hard for me to really celebrate the next big-name skill position player ND gets when I know that none of that matters if they're not also getting big-name OL and DL recruits. Until they solve their DL problem, the program is eternally going to only be at a certain level.

 

[dublinirish]

Spot-on.

It's nothing personal against Romeo, because he was the best we had and he was giving it his all, but you don't win a national title without a dominant and disruptive defensive line. Alabama, Ohio State, Florida State, Auburn, Florida, USC, Miami, LSU ... the list goes on and on. Even ND had a dominant defensive line when they got to the title game in 2012 with Nix, Tuitt, Kapron and Sheldon up front.

You win by building from the inside out. I want Notre Dame to win a national title, and I'm at the point where it's hard for me to really celebrate the next big-name skill position player ND gets when I know that none of that matters if they're not also getting big-name OL and DL recruits. Until they solve their DL problem, the program is eternally going to only be at a certain level.

Problem for Romeo was that he was exactly the same player as a freshman as he was when he was a senior. He played like he never really learned the game while at ND. Just wasn't very savvy at all.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Spot-on.

It's nothing personal against Romeo, because he was the best we had and he was giving it his all, but you don't win a national title without a dominant and disruptive defensive line. Alabama, Ohio State, Florida State, Auburn, Florida, USC, Miami, LSU ... the list goes on and on. Even ND had a dominant defensive line when they got to the title game in 2012 with Nix, Tuitt, Kapron and Sheldon up front.

You win by building from the inside out. I want Notre Dame to win a national title, and I'm at the point where it's hard for me to really celebrate the next big-name skill position player ND gets when I know that none of that matters if they're not also getting big-name OL and DL recruits. Until they solve their DL problem, the program is eternally going to only be at a certain level.

This is what keeps me up at night. You HAVE TO affect the QB to win big. There's a few things you must be able to do to win. Run the ball effectively, score in the red zone, have a good turnover ratio etc. We do well in most of the important categories. I love Trumbetti and I think Hayes is a decent compliment to him and may help and I don't want to sound like I'm bad-mouthing them, because I'm not....but they aren't elite pass rushers. We are going to have to generate pressure in other ways and this can be done in the BVG scheme with good play from some fringe players. We desperately need guys like Daelin Hayes, Drew Tranquill and some other young talented defenders to come off the edge in 'exotic' blitz packages to create pressure on the QB as well as our DT position collapsing the pocket. I'm certain the coaching staff is more than aware of this and will come up with ways to get after the QB. They have to for ND to win BIG.

 

[koonja]

Gut feeling that Jay Hayes is a better pass rusher than we all expect. I think he'll be like Jarron Jones where he chooses when to go hard and what not, but when he does, I think he can get after the QB. He's big, I get that, but he always moved great for a big man both on his HS film, and there was a play in the spring game where he cornered Malik (or was it Kizer) and they couldn't get around him and ended up throwing it out of bounds. One play, but showed his ability to break down and use speed to put the QB in a bad position.

I think among Tillery, Jarron Jones, Trumbetti, and Jay Hayes, we're going to get a couple surprises. I don't think all 4 disappoint again. I think at least 2 show up big this year, and if we get 2 of these guys to play to their potential, we're going to have a good front 7.

 

[woolybug25]

Gut feeling that Jay Hayes is a better pass rusher than we all expect. I think he'll be like Jarron Jones where he chooses when to go hard and what not, but when he does, I think he can get after the QB. He's big, I get that, but he always moved great for a big man both on his HS film, and there was a play in the spring game where he cornered Malik (or was it Kizer) and they couldn't get around him and ended up throwing it out of bounds. One play, but showed his ability to break down and use speed to put the QB in a bad position.

I think among Tillery, Jarron Jones, Trumbetti, and Jay Hayes, we're going to get a couple surprises. I don't think all 4 disappoint again. I think at least 2 show up big this year, and if we get 2 of these guys to play to their potential, we're going to have a good front 7.

I also think people are forgetting how young and/or inexperienced these guys are. It's gonna click for some of them, that's just the nature of the game.

 

[arrowryan]

A healthy Daelin Hayes will do a lot for us

 

[koonja]

A healthy Daelin Hayes will do a lot for us

Per a podcast, can't remember which, he's 100% healthy and there's no reason he won't be a full go in August. Whether or not the shoulder holds up, who knows, but it's as healthy as it's going to get.

 

[arrowryan]

Per a podcast, can't remember which, he's 100% healthy and there's no reason he won't be a full go in August. Whether or not the shoulder holds up, who knows, but it's as healthy as it's going to get.

If Trumbetti doesn't get his shit together, I bet Hayes starts by week 4

 

[dublinirish]

If Trumbetti doesn't get his shit together, I bet Hayes starts by week 4

he can't make his T-rex arms grow any longer

 

[koonja]

If Trumbetti doesn't get his shit together, I bet Hayes starts by week 4

I was hoping Trumbetti and Daelin Hayes can hold down WDE, so Rochelle can actually get breaks and/or slide inside having Jay Hayes as his full time SDE back up. I wonder if that will happen once Daelin Hayes is healthy.

As is, Jay Hayes is playing jumbo WDE, and Rochelle doesn't really have a quality back up. Don't tell me Bonner until there's reason to believe Bonner is ready to play at this level.